That Ain't Workin' - My New Book

[wayaman]

How dare the last drummer in DS give us hardcore fans a privileged look at his personal photos from a tour most of us probably attended. Seriously people get a grip. It’s a chuffing honour he has done this for us.

"Honour he has done this for us"

Is this a sarcastic remark? He's selling a friggin book mate.

I find it funny and strange that some people seem to have Chris in high regard for everything he does and says now, whilst before he joined the forum nobody really talked about him and when they did it was to criticize his drumming during the tour.

When you interact with someone your view and opinion about him/her obviously changes

[Brunno Nunes]

How dare the last drummer in DS give us hardcore fans a privileged look at his personal photos from a tour most of us probably attended. Seriously people get a grip. It’s a chuffing honour he has done this for us.

"Honour he has done this for us"

Is this a sarcastic remark? He's selling a friggin book mate.

I find it funny and strange that some people seem to have Chris in high regard for everything he does and says now, whilst before he joined the forum nobody really talked about him and when they did it was to criticize his drumming during the tour.

When you interact with someone your view and opinion about him/her obviously changes

Exactly that, so obvious, I don't know how anyone doesn't notice it.

[Love Expresso]

Chris, ever thought about sending a copy to Mark or Guy?

I know you owe them nothing of course. I was just watching the Nimes 1992 Sultans and saw so many good vibes and lots of smiles that it is hard to believe and tough that there are not at least a few nice or friendly memories at least from the occasional shared musical experience.

By the way, That Ain't Working is a very well chosen title, with at least a double or even triple meaning.

LE

[Pottel]

I shared the info on web, FB, Insta, X, and even LinkedIn

I hope it will give you more orders

Thank you so much.

Hi Chris,

Knew about it thanks to JF post on both his blog and LinkedIn.
I ordered it today and I'm looking forward to receive it.
It's me who asked you to send it to a UK adress as my best friend is currently there.
Will save me the 10£ postage 

Greetings from Belgium

once a dutchy always a dutchy huh old friend....hiding in Belgium :-)
x

Dutch and Belgians are not the same.
Need to learn your geography, mate.

Anyway, why should I pay for postage if I can avoid ?
It's not like I'm robbing Chris of

i now realise you are not the Waldo i know, that is actually dutch, lives in belgium and has a great sense of humor. so forget my comments. obviously you are someone totally different, new here. or to say it differently, je suis desolée little frenchie

No worries, I do have a good sense of humor too.

I guess Waldo is often used.
In my case it's short for my last name.

Btw, I'm not frenchie either.
But I reckon my mother tongue is French.

Cheers !

thnx for the update. saw your email account was .fr
therefore i assumed. should assume less i guess.

[Pottel]

How dare the last drummer in DS give us hardcore fans a privileged look at his personal photos from a tour most of us probably attended. Seriously people get a grip. It’s a chuffing honour he has done this for us.

"Honour he has done this for us"

Is this a sarcastic remark? He's selling a friggin book mate.

I find it funny and strange that some people seem to have Chris in high regard for everything he does and says now, whilst before he joined the forum nobody really talked about him and when they did it was to criticize his drumming during the tour.

ok, i get it, the book is too expensive for you, or you deem it too expensive, which is not exactly the same thing. that is your god given right, but why the need for the continued negative comments? do not buy it, ignore this thread, issue solved?

[Chris W]

By the way, That Ain't Working is a very well chosen title, with at least a double or even triple meaning.

LE

Yes. As most of the photography is travel and hanging around at venues, it is apt. As most people think a tour is one long party, but it's a lot of hanging around in empty spaces.

[rmarques821]

How dare the last drummer in DS give us hardcore fans a privileged look at his personal photos from a tour most of us probably attended. Seriously people get a grip. It’s a chuffing honour he has done this for us.

"Honour he has done this for us"

Is this a sarcastic remark? He's selling a friggin book mate.

I find it funny and strange that some people seem to have Chris in high regard for everything he does and says now, whilst before he joined the forum nobody really talked about him and when they did it was to criticize his drumming during the tour.

ok, i get it, the book is too expensive for you, or you deem it too expensive, which is not exactly the same thing. that is your god given right, but why the need for the continued negative comments? do not buy it, ignore this thread, issue solved?

All right Pottel, why don't you go ahead and change the name of the forum to APIT - All Positives in Time? Do you also follow that code of conduct in your daily life, only saying positive things all the time and refraining from opening your mouth if it's something negative?

This forum feels like a cult at times, where if one says something that deviates from what's deemed "positive", one is scolded at.

You know, I used to love to come here and read Pavel's posts whether I agreed with them or not, whether they were negative or not because he is an intelligent, knowledgeable and funny guy. I'm afraid he stopped posting here because many people here beat him down really hard because he dared to say some negative things to Chris Whitten (and he wasn't disrespectful by any means).

I don't think any member here has been as negative as Chris Whitten, as a huge amount of his posts were just repetitions about how awful working with Mark was and how he stopped playing the drums after the tour and so on. And that's fine, I didn't complain

But if you're warning me that I can't be "negative" any more, why bother coming here really

[Pottel]

How dare the last drummer in DS give us hardcore fans a privileged look at his personal photos from a tour most of us probably attended. Seriously people get a grip. It’s a chuffing honour he has done this for us.

"Honour he has done this for us"

Is this a sarcastic remark? He's selling a friggin book mate.

I find it funny and strange that some people seem to have Chris in high regard for everything he does and says now, whilst before he joined the forum nobody really talked about him and when they did it was to criticize his drumming during the tour.

ok, i get it, the book is too expensive for you, or you deem it too expensive, which is not exactly the same thing. that is your god given right, but why the need for the continued negative comments? do not buy it, ignore this thread, issue solved?

All right Pottel, why don't you go ahead and change the name of the forum to APIT - All Positives in Time? Do you also follow that code of conduct in your daily life, only saying positive things all the time and refraining from opening your mouth if it's something negative?

This forum feels like a cult at times, where if one says something that deviates from what's deemed "positive", one is scolded at.

You know, I used to love to come here and read Pavel's posts whether I agreed with them or not, whether they were negative or not because he is an intelligent, knowledgeable and funny guy. I'm afraid he stopped posting here because many people here beat him down really hard because he dared to say some negative things to Chris Whitten (and he wasn't disrespectful by any means).

I don't think any member here has been as negative as Chris Whitten, as a huge amount of his posts were just repetitions about how awful working with Mark was and how he stopped playing the drums after the tour and so on. And that's fine, I didn't complain

But if you're warning me that I can't be "negative" any more, why bother coming here really

jeez what the eff is your issue? i do not care less about some negativism left and right, but this constant whining is boring. if you do not like it here, move. quite a few members have been more negative than chris, even though he was THE ONLY ONE who was actually on that tour, and experienced the darkness of it, which us, get a lifer fans never saw as we were in deep admiration for our "hero" at the time. Also, it is not just Chris, Ed said nothing else. and so did quite a few other ex members of the band, not anonymous forum members sitting in their mothers' basement trolling away.
we are on here to discuss ANYTHING related to the man who's music we all love or used to love so much, and that is what it should be about, the music.
pls be negative, just sprinkle a bit of positive thoughts in there every now then, otherwise it becomes boring. it is the mix that does it, not the overdose of the one, or the other.
but again, for all of those who are not happy with the way this forum is, no one is stopping you to move back to that other great forum, MKnews.
now let's get back to discussing the book. that is what this particular thread was made about.

[Chris W]

Haven't we moved on yet?
Regarding Pavel. He would sometimes make outlandish claims and was never in the band or at any of the events he described to know what the facts were.
Ed Bicknell posted on this forum at length, setting the record straight on a lot of Pavel's misinformation, which had nothing to do with me. I was surprised Ed went to all the trouble of writing lengthy answers to a lot of the guess work and claims made by a couple of members.
if Pavel doesn't post here anymore, it isn't because he was 'beat down hard', for me it seems like he didn't want to be fact checked.

*I started going to the Gearslutz music forum in 2000. In the beginning many studio professionals (record producers, gear makers) would post there. You could ask a well known record producer which mics he used on a specific record etc. Over time, angry amateurs abused those professionals and they drifted away one by one. Now it's very rare to talk to a professional on Gearslutz (Gearspace).

[Pottel]

slutz, really? lol

[Chris W]

The positives of the tour...
The band played and sounded great. We entertained millions of people over more than a year of shows. many of those people still cherish that experience. Mark and John walked away very much wealthier.
After the tour both Ed Bicknell and John Illsley didi media interviews and revealed how difficult the tour had been.

I don't intend to talk about my negative experience with Mark. But his bad attitude to drummers was well known in the UK scene before I even met him. Manu Katche went public on that back in the 90's.
I only ever posted when someone guessed something about what it was like, or painted Mark as an angel and the various drummers were at fault.
I had to keep reminding people that the way the whole band played on the OES tour was directed by Mark. We rehearsed for months and played hundreds of shows. No one went off on their own tangent and potentially ruined the music without being told to play a certain way by Mark.

[Chris W]

slutz, really? lol

Yes, after years of pressure, they finally changed it to Space...Gearspace.
It was one of the very first web based chat forums, so I guess they didn't think the name was going to be that controversial, but it became so.

[Waldo]

[/quote] thnx for the update. saw your email account was .fr
therefore i assumed. should assume less i guess.
[/quote]

Fair enough,

Actually my adress is .fr because when I created it it was not possible to chose .be

So the confusion is understandable.

[rmarques821]

Haven't we moved on yet?
Regarding Pavel. He would sometimes make outlandish claims and was never in the band or at any of the events he described to know what the facts were.
Ed Bicknell posted on this forum at length, setting the record straight on a lot of Pavel's misinformation, which had nothing to do with me. I was surprised Ed went to all the trouble of writing lengthy answers to a lot of the guess work and claims made by a couple of members.
if Pavel doesn't post here anymore, it isn't because he was 'beat down hard', for me it seems like he didn't want to be fact checked.

*I started going to the Gearslutz music forum in 2000. In the beginning many studio professionals (record producers, gear makers) would post there. You could ask a well known record producer which mics he used on a specific record etc. Over time, angry amateurs abused those professionals and they drifted away one by one. Now it's very rare to talk to a professional on Gearslutz (Gearspace).

You see, that's the problem. You participate in this forum like a political debate, where one can only say things that are 100% true. It's a fan forum, dude, it's the right place to make "outlandish claims" not to be fact-checked.

Your posts were informative and interesting to read at first, but when other members disagreed with you, or said something that you didn't like for whatever reason, you suddenly become agressive saying that they weren't in the band or they don't know all the facts and so their opinion didn't matter. Of course they don't, it's a fan forum! Why do you even care so much about fan speculation over things that happened 34 years ago? Let it go man...

I don't feel like being a part of this forum anymore due to this so I'll just stop participating here. I liked it better when it was just a bunch of angry amateurs

[Chris W]

You see, that's the problem. You participate in this forum like a political debate, where one can only say things that are 100% true. It's a fan forum, dude, it's the right place to make "outlandish claims" not to be fact-checked.

First, it seems that my having made a book of photographs from the OES tour has unleashed a lot of anger in one or two people. Bizarre.
Secondly, I don't even post in 99% of the topics at this forum. In particular I NEVER post in topics about things I know nothing about (1970's Dire Straits, Alchemy, the previous tours, Mark's work since 1992, the list goes on and on).
Why you would start to dislike the forum because I participate in 1% of the topics is also bizarre.
So by my not participating in the majority of the threads people can light heartedly guess all they want.

When people talk about Manu Katche saying he hated working with Mark and just wanted the session to end, then go on to claim Manu wasn't good enough and Mark was just trying to get the drums right.... I'm sorry I'm going to state view, having experienced similar situations myself (in the real world).
When people start saying I'm the 'worst drummer Dire Straits ever had', I'm going to put my side of the story. I think I did so with humility, stating clearly with hindsight I wish I had done some things differently and would approach the gig much differently now, 35 years later. But at the same time, during the three months rehearsal Mark beat me down and by the time we started playing for paying audiences I was basically trying very hard to play the way Mark wanted me to play and was unwilling to try a different way, unwilling to suggest a different way for fear of falling victim to an acid tongue in front of the rest of the musicians again.
If you just prefer guess work from the sidelines and never be told the truth by insiders, then I think you are going to miss out on an awful lot.
And finally, all this ire is directed at me. Ed has posted at length on the forum, setting the record straight often in much more damning posts than mine. Why aren't you angry with him? ? ? Could it just be personal?