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Re: Brothers in arms 40th anniversary edition
« Reply #120 on: March 22, 2025, 08:09:03 PM »
Actually quite funny to me that 18 months ago there wasn’t an official complete recording of any DS tour. Now we have complete recordings from 79/83/85/92. Who would have thought?

We don't have any complete 83 recording, it has Portobello cut and there are more than 5/6 minutes missing and the link between Portobello and Tunnel.

We don't have any 92 full recording, just a mix of songs from here and there that don't do a complete concert. Actually in length is longer than an actual complete concert, but it doesn't fit with any complete and real concert concept.

But these are details (also important to me). It's worth appreciating the fact that we officially have all the concert tours:)

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Re: Brothers in arms 40th anniversary edition
« Reply #121 on: March 22, 2025, 08:11:20 PM »
For 78 we have live at the BBC with its angry sound.
For 80/81 we have TOL from Dortmund 80 on the same album. Better than nothing... And we have Dortmund on official video, with great versions of Lions and News!

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Re: Brothers in arms 40th anniversary edition
« Reply #122 on: March 22, 2025, 08:44:17 PM »
Actually quite funny to me that 18 months ago there wasn’t an official complete recording of any DS tour. Now we have complete recordings from 79/83/85/92. Who would have thought?

We don't have any complete 83 recording, it has Portobello cut and there are more than 5/6 minutes missing and the link between Portobello and Tunnel.

We don't have any 92 full recording, just a mix of songs from here and there that don't do a complete concert. Actually in length is longer than an actual complete concert, but it doesn't fit with any complete and real concert concept.

But these are details (also important to me). It's worth appreciating the fact that we officially have all the concert tours:)

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78 tour
80-81 tour

For me the concert from Rainbow sums up the first period of DS well. But you're right, 81-82 is missing, although aLCHEMY fulfills its role.
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Re: Brothers in arms 40th anniversary edition
« Reply #123 on: March 22, 2025, 08:59:25 PM »
The only tour that still needs to have an official release is On Location 80/81, we have Dortmund 80 and Paris 81 (incomplete) on the official YouTube channel, but it's better than just TOL live in Dortmund 80 present on Live at The BBC.
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Re: Brothers in arms 40th anniversary edition
« Reply #124 on: March 22, 2025, 09:40:51 PM »
I'm looking forward to enjoying the atmosphere of Ride Across the River (my favorite song from the BIA tour set) and the unique energy of One World, both exclusive to this tour. Other songs that should be very interesting with this quality are Two Young Lovers with the wonderful Erlenwine and her "ZZ Top" sound, and Wild West End with Mark and his National Steel and the guitar and sax duet between Jack and Chris, with Jack following in a long guitar solo, a moment that in my opinion brought a very fresh flavor to Dire Straits at that historic moment. Anyway, with the quality of the recording made available on this release, it will undoubtedly be a great experience, I'm sure we'll have some good times to listen to and new details from another perspective. 🙌🏻🎸🔥
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Re: Brothers in arms 40th anniversary edition
« Reply #125 on: March 22, 2025, 09:41:12 PM »
For 78 we have live at the BBC with its angry sound.
For 80/81 we have TOL from Dortmund 80 on the same album. Better than nothing... And we have Dortmund on official video, with great versions of Lions and News!

That doesn't count as a full recording of each tour.

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Re: Brothers in arms 40th anniversary edition
« Reply #126 on: March 22, 2025, 11:01:09 PM »
TOL is uncut, yes, but I love Wembley so much, although much of the bridge is cut... Maybe I'm biased because of the video!

Didn't understand your comment about BIA, not much in it?

Sorry - both versions are roughly equal.  Both excellent.

It's always good watching the video.  I've seen the Wembley show much more than listened to any other.
Listen and compare 2 sections:
-Just after "starlight" : In Wembley Mark makes his LP weep more than in SA.
-In the rocking ending, just before Mark pauses to say thank you, Mark is still playing guitar in Wembley. I can't here him in SA, more like karaoke...

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Re: Brothers in arms 40th anniversary edition
« Reply #127 on: March 22, 2025, 11:02:51 PM »
TOL is uncut, yes, but I love Wembley so much, although much of the bridge is cut... Maybe I'm biased because of the video!

Didn't understand your comment about BIA, not much in it?

Sorry - both versions are roughly equal.  Both excellent.

It's always good watching the video.  I've seen the Wembley show much more than listened to any other.
Listen and compare 2 sections:
-Just after "starlight" : In Wembley Mark makes his LP weep more than in SA.
-In the rocking ending, just before Mark pauses to say thank you, Mark is still playing guitar in Wembley. I can't here him in SA, more like karaoke...

The power of simplicity and letting the song breathe.  Allow your mind to fill the gap.
I thought you prefered complexity (TOL 85) over simplicity (TOL 83)...
Btw in Houston the missing parts in San Antonio are there!

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Re: Brothers in arms 40th anniversary edition
« Reply #128 on: March 22, 2025, 11:06:03 PM »
There is only one concert that could have been a better choice. October 11, 1985 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, New York.   :)

San Francisco 13.09.85
NYC 03.10.85
Boston 06.10.85

But SA is still a great show, as most were on that leg of the tour.  They didn't record every show back then though!

On a more serious note: it would be nice if they would make a special mention of Jack Sonni in the booklet, or even dedicate it to his memory.
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Re: Brothers in arms 40th anniversary edition
« Reply #129 on: March 22, 2025, 11:08:44 PM »
I've enjoyed the San Antonio bootleg for years, actually a bit of a treat for me that this one got "the treatment." It's just a really fun performance, and the Walk Of Life mix is fabulous. Mark's guitar is cranked!

Isn't it!  Never heard his guitar so high in the mix during WOL on that tour before and it sounds great.  His vocal has a harshness to it to my ears anyway.
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Re: Brothers in arms 40th anniversary edition
« Reply #130 on: March 22, 2025, 11:11:23 PM »
TOL is uncut, yes, but I love Wembley so much, although much of the bridge is cut... Maybe I'm biased because of the video!

Didn't understand your comment about BIA, not much in it?

Sorry - both versions are roughly equal.  Both excellent.

It's always good watching the video.  I've seen the Wembley show much more than listened to any other.
Listen and compare 2 sections:
-Just after "starlight" : In Wembley Mark makes his LP weep more than in SA.
-In the rocking ending, just before Mark pauses to say thank you, Mark is still playing guitar in Wembley. I can't here him in SA, more like karaoke...

The power of simplicity and letting the song breathe.  Allow your mind to fill the gap.
I thought you prefered complexity (TOL 85) over simplicity (TOL 83)...
Btw in Houston the missing parts in San Antonio are there!

Alchemy TOL isn't simplicity as far as I'm concerned.  The solo has too many notes and is all the less fluid because of it.
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Re: Brothers in arms 40th anniversary edition
« Reply #131 on: March 22, 2025, 11:16:08 PM »
TOL is uncut, yes, but I love Wembley so much, although much of the bridge is cut... Maybe I'm biased because of the video!

Didn't understand your comment about BIA, not much in it?

Sorry - both versions are roughly equal.  Both excellent.

It's always good watching the video.  I've seen the Wembley show much more than listened to any other.
Listen and compare 2 sections:
-Just after "starlight" : In Wembley Mark makes his LP weep more than in SA.
-In the rocking ending, just before Mark pauses to say thank you, Mark is still playing guitar in Wembley. I can't here him in SA, more like karaoke...

The power of simplicity and letting the song breathe.  Allow your mind to fill the gap.
I thought you prefered complexity (TOL 85) over simplicity (TOL 83)...
Btw in Houston the missing parts in San Antonio are there!

Alchemy TOL isn't simplicity as far as I'm concerned.  The solo has too many notes and is all the less fluid because of it.
I see what you mean...
Actually I wonder if Mark changed the end solo between 83 and 85, more progressive, just to be able to... rest a bit thanks to pauses in his guitar playing ! In Alchemy the end solo has no pause, Mark had to go straight to the end, and you an see him exhausted and out of breath in the end, needing the break before starting TR. This song is physically demanding!

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Re: Brothers in arms 40th anniversary edition
« Reply #132 on: March 22, 2025, 11:30:51 PM »
Just dawned on me: The 20th anniversary of BIA feels like yesterday. Where did the time fly?! I feel old.

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Re: Brothers in arms 40th anniversary edition
« Reply #133 on: March 23, 2025, 12:02:18 AM »
There is only one concert that could have been a better choice. October 11, 1985 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, New York.   :)

San Francisco 13.09.85
NYC 03.10.85
Boston 06.10.85

But SA is still a great show, as most were on that leg of the tour.  They didn't record every show back then though!

On a more serious note: it would be nice if they would make a special mention of Jack Sonni in the booklet, or even dedicate it to his memory.

I mentioned about Uniondale because on this concert Tunnel Of Love is 24 min. (did this happen anywhere else?) I love it. But San Antonio is the most important right now!

Yes, I was also thinking about Jack Sonni. This concert should be dedicated to him.
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Re: Brothers in arms 40th anniversary edition
« Reply #134 on: March 23, 2025, 07:02:29 AM »

I thought you prefered complexity (TOL 85) over simplicity (TOL 83)...
Btw in Houston the missing parts in San Antonio are there!

Alchemy TOL isn't simplicity as far as I'm concerned.  The solo has too many notes and is all the less fluid because of it.
I see what you mean...
Actually I wonder if Mark changed the end solo between 83 and 85, more progressive, just to be able to... rest a bit thanks to pauses in his guitar playing ! In Alchemy the end solo has no pause, Mark had to go straight to the end, and you an see him exhausted and out of breath in the end, needing the break before starting TR. This song is physically demanding!

Nah, just part of the theatre of the show, it's not like he's running around a stadium.

 

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