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Again, as usual a lot of speculation to support people's impression of MK.
Again, as usual a lot of speculation to support people's impression of MK.

Indeed, as well as feeling sorry for him we also have one poster who thinks he was unlucky!
Ha, Ha  :thumbsup
I'm amazed also people feel so sorry for Mark and feel he hasn't been appreciated enough.
The guy never needs to work again. He's a multi-millionaire. He's widely regarded as a guitar god, even by many of his peers (Clapton etc).

I don't think that we are sorry for Mark.
He made a life as a musician.
Very, very sucessfull musician.
Worked hard and built an empire for his own.

Mark could be the coolest guy in town.
He have all the artistic and speech freedom.
Instead of it, looks like that he hates to be an artist.

Most of our complain about DS is that, it reached the very limit as a product. There is a lot of things that could be released that could made the fans happier. As Ed said, MK's music is 100% supported by his die-hard fans (or something like that)

Even John seems to be much polited about his storyes.
To say that Mark hates to be an artist must be one of the most bizarre and insane statements I've ever read in this forum. And all because he doesn't want to release old Dire Straits crap any longer.
Again, as usual a lot of speculation to support people's impression of MK.

Indeed, as well as feeling sorry for him we also have one poster who thinks he was unlucky!

Yeah, Mark got soooooo lucky when the worst tour, worst album (in his own words), divorce, death of his band and death of his father all happened within months from each other, and everybody and their mom thought he was an a-hole. Damn, I'd want to be in his shoes. So lucky. Boy, what a happy time. Give me two, give me two now. Obviously, "luck" is very subjective.
Mark doesn't hate to be an artist. He just could do without the fame bit, which he has stated one million times.
Again, as usual a lot of speculation to support people's impression of MK.

Indeed, as well as feeling sorry for him we also have one poster who thinks he was unlucky!

Yeah, Mark got soooooo lucky when the worst tour, worst album (in his own words), divorce, death of his band and death of his father all happened within months from each other, and everybody and their mom thought he was an a-hole. Damn, I'd want to be in his shoes. So lucky. Boy, what a happy time. Give me two, give me two now. Obviously, "luck" is very subjective.

None of the things you mention have anything to do with luck or lack of luck. Apart from the death of his father - which was sad, but something that everyone has to experience - everything else was the result of Mark's own choices. (OK, I'm speculating about the divorce, but anyone who's been or is married knows it takes two to tango ...)

Yeah, Mark got soooooo lucky when the worst tour, worst album (in his own words), divorce, death of his band and death of his father all happened within months from each other, and everybody and their mom thought he was an a-hole.

Again of lot of that is very overdramatic and not factual.

None of the things you mention have anything to do with luck or lack of luck. Apart from the death of his father - which was sad, but something that everyone has to experience - everything else was the result of Mark's own choices. (OK, I'm speculating about the divorce, but anyone who's been or is married knows it takes two to tango ...)

Yes, pretty much everything except the death of his father. It also wasn't 'the worst tour' or 'worst album'.
I'm sure Mark was very happy with OES, it just wasn't as big a hit as BIA. I'm sure Mark regretted agreeing to the tour once it became a reality, but at the same time it netted Mark and John millions and they walked out to 25,000-60,000 people screaming adulation most nights.
But don't you just love it, Chris?
I especially like it when a few AMIT folks digitally transport themselves into M’s brain and then post what he’s thinking.
I've learned SO much from that, it explains why I quit .
With the help of a few of our friends here I came to realise the thought processes that got the two of us to the point where a light went on and I knew I had to stop.
But it's only now I understand WHY I had to stop ..the AMITS have explained it all, because they know what no one else knows, just like they know how the music should be chosen and released ( full circle I think) .
They truly are A Modest Intelligent Talented Shower.
And yes, let's not forget M had no luck in his life, it was all down to his natural talent and nothing more, he didn't even make his own luck , perfect alignment took over and no one else had any part to play.
Sarcasm may be the lowest form of wit but it comes in handy sometimes.
 
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Re the OES album, Mark said during interviews at the time that that album he actually could listen to, whereas the previous DS albums made him feel uncomfortable. I could imagine his opinion of it now would be very different.
Not necessarily, It's still his favorite DS album.
He reintroduced On Every Street on recent tours so presumably it wasn't too triggering.

Or maybe that was just the bad luck of hiring a saxophonist and needing songs that he could play.



Poor MK, what an unlucky bastard. If he fell into a bucket of tits he'd come out sucking his thumb.

Or maybe that was just the bad luck of hiring a saxophonist and needing songs that he could play.


More like pedal steel.
It would.
When I knew him neither of us looked backwards, we rarely discussed our lives before we met ( except our time in Leeds and the music we listened to from age 13/14 on ).
So I'm a bit surprised by the quotes various of you mention and that he listens to the DS records at all.
But we are not in each other’s lives really.
The “ pedal steel” bit made me laugh.
I must say playing in the NHB’s with Paul F was a treat, especially soundcheck where he and I jammed.
Playing with all of them was but some of the musical policy …nah, never mind.
One of my life’s highlights, better than a well administered colonic.
So I’m told.
I LOVED the "bucket of tits" line. If only…..
Am I the only one who finds CW's posts extremely annoying and evidently full of irritation towards the person the forum is dedicated to?

Obviously yes.

I guess you are just not used to a guy who delivers absolute clear thoughts and first hand knowledge, seldomly opinions, practically no trash talk and who is after the facts only. Humour might lacking (seemingly) which sometimes leads to a somewhat cold atmosphere around his posts, but if you are really honest to yourself you cannot nail a single post where Chris said something about MK that was not true. Worshipping is just not his thing, it seems. And why should he. However 90% of members come here to take a daily bath in a lot of hot MK love and feel comfortable among others to dive deep into praising our hero.

I for my part think that the forum has become much more relevant since Ed and Chris decided to post here on a more or less regular base.

I feel uncomfortable to write  about a guy and knowing that he will read it. But I did it to point out the fact that I don't like it and to mirror the way you wrote. We better should talk WITH each other, not about others. Just my two cents.

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Honest question; who are these 90% which you claim bath in hot MK love? I don't see a single one, and very, VERY seldom read anything even near that. None of us thinks MK behaved like an angel!! Geeez, can we move forward??!
To go back to OES I remember that Mark objected songs on this album being too much cynical.

Recently Mark even said that MFN lyrics were kind of unfair toward working class people.
He could wrote a song about that on his next album.
Chris first tried stand up comedy performing as The Paradiddle Penis but he couldn’t get on TV, not even late night.
So he dropped the Penis bit and stuck with paradiddles and look where that took him.
To this site ..you lucky drummer, you.
As you will have realised, I've essentially confirmed 95% of everything he’s posted.
He’s a very straightforward guy, no side to him, and I’m sure that there are bits of all this that have an element of getting stuff off both of our respective chests.
Some of what he’s said…..about his treatment by certain other band members ( disgusting ) , the whole issue of monitors and volume, song tempo stuff etc etc has actually shocked me.
I had two problems back then…..the whole tale underpinning that record and tour which I've probably exhausted ( as in what I can tell you ), and being so busy that I couldn’t see what was going on in front of me.
And of course no one told me , so I wasn’t able to at least try and remedy it.
As far as post 153 goes, well said and droll humour which I love eg the "daily bath of hot MK lurve "…sounds like a Barry White lyric.
Ed Greene who played drums on White’s records is one of the great unrecognised drummers.

To go back to OES I remember that Mark objected songs on this album being too much cynical.

Recently Mark even said that MFN lyrics were kind of unfair toward working class people.
He could wrote a song about that on his next album.

If I remember correctly, Mark said he wouldn't write Money For Nothing today.

He couldn’t write MFN today, Motley Crue have fucked off.

(thanks ds1984 :-)  He probably had a lot of dark things to get off his chest, and felt he had to excuse it? Of course it is only my feelings and not facts, but for me the difference in mood from OES to Golden heart is huge. "Darling pretty" is love flowing over, you can't help but smile, it is such a happy song! It is said that bad things makes great songs, and I think that is the case for OES. "When it comes to you" was an instant favorite, same with You and your friend and also Iron hand.
Substitute Kitty for Pretty.
Meeting her changed everything once they’d sorted things out.
Everything.
Like I said, I've moved on. I don't think about the bad things much any more, unless someone brings them up.
Same, decades ago.


None of the things you mention have anything to do with luck or lack of luck. Apart from the death of his father - which was sad, but something that everyone has to experience - everything else was the result of Mark's own choices. (OK, I'm speculating about the divorce, but anyone who's been or is married knows it takes two to tango ...)

Yes, pretty much everything except the death of his father. It also wasn't 'the worst tour' or 'worst album'.
I'm sure Mark was very happy with OES, it just wasn't as big a hit as BIA. I'm sure Mark regretted agreeing to the tour once it became a reality, but at the same time it netted Mark and John millions and they walked out to 25,000-60,000 people screaming adulation most nights.

But Ed said something along the lines of; Mark said: "I've made a crappy record". And it clearly wasn't as big as BIA. And the tour was "strange", to say the least. So I don't know, guys. I still think... Well, maybe it wasn't "unlucky", it's the wrong word for it, but it certainly wasn't the best time to be Mark Knopfler. Don't you think?
Bugger me sideways, Pavel is heading towards Bono’s kneeling stool.
There's a problem with all this for me.
There’s a huge hole in the story that I just can't tell you about and if I did it would make sense of all this for you.
Stuff Chris, actually none of the musicians including John don't know, nor my office staff either.
And maybe they never will and it probably doesn’t matter.
It's a bit like buying a 1000 piece jigsaw puzzle and eventually finding 50 pieces are missing.
No, it wasn’t a good time but eventually it turned into the best time for him.
But it wasn’t as bad as the Communique late 79 episode.
Now THAT was truly fucked, the stuff of nightmares .
Am I the only one who finds CW's posts extremely annoying and evidently full of irritation towards the person the forum is dedicated to?

Brief history lesson about how this forum came about if I may.

There used to be an official forum where even the slightest of criticism was not tolerated.

This forum was established to allow free and full discussion in a respectful way. I must say, I don’t think any of us ever imagined that an actual member of Dire Straits would join to talk about their real life experience being in the band for the best part of two years, or indeed the Dire Straits manager who was there from start to finish.

Rather than being annoyed, I’m extremely grateful for this input.

An actual member of Dire Straits answering questions? I’m tempted to say “you don’t know you’re born”…

AMIT is the best forum I have ever seen. I'm dead serious. The sheer fact it's still alive in the year 2025 alone deserves some kind of medal. Who on Earth uses forums nowadays anyway? Nobody! How it combines so many people from so many countries and walks of life, and many of the members have been there for a two-digit number of years, it seems.

I'm actually surprised not so many band members checked in because, seriously, it's the best source of information and fun in the MK world. Yes, discussions often go out of hand, but I've explained a million times the limitations of digital correspondence, and a lot of people on this forum are walking encyclopaedias when it comes to MK&DS.

Does anybody have problems with these statements? Let's respect each other and our unique contributions to this unique place. Now, I'm ready to take rotten tomatoes! :lol

YES!
He’s on Bono’s kneeling stool .
He’s assumed the position .
It’s the ONLY forum I’ve ever seen and apart from some uninformed and loopy posts it’s been huge fun to interact with you lot, help fill in a few gaps and learn things.
It's difficult when you're the manager to know what fans think, looking at nude polaroids doesn’t really do it.
Shame this wasn’t around to help or confound me back then.
I completely agree about digital communication.
I like to look into the other person's eyes and smell their armpits , someone should develop computers that smell of bodily functions, that would eliminate so many misunderstandings.

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Am I the only one who finds CW's posts extremely annoying and evidently full of irritation towards the person the forum is dedicated to?
you cannot speak for me. i find it an absolute enrichement to have someone on board who was actually around while the DS days were happening. Be less sensitive and defensive of your MK god. he needs to go to the john too and am sure leaves some admirable logs.
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Am I the only one who finds CW's posts extremely annoying and evidently full of irritation towards the person the forum is dedicated to?

Brief history lesson about how this forum came about if I may.

There used to be an official forum where even the slightest of criticism was not tolerated.

This forum was established to allow free and full discussion in a respectful way. I must say, I don’t think any of us ever imagined that an actual member of Dire Straits would join to talk about their real life experience being in the band for the best part of two years, or indeed the Dire Straits manager who was there from start to finish.

Rather than being annoyed, I’m extremely grateful for this input.

An actual member of Dire Straits answering questions? I’m tempted to say “you don’t know you’re born”…

AMIT is the best forum I have ever seen. I'm dead serious. The sheer fact it's still alive in the year 2025 alone deserves some kind of medal. Who on Earth uses forums nowadays anyway? Nobody! How it combines so many people from so many countries and walks of life, and many of the members have been there for a two-digit number of years, it seems.

I'm actually surprised not so many band members checked in because, seriously, it's the best source of information and fun in the MK world. Yes, discussions often go out of hand, but I've explained a million times the limitations of digital correspondence, and a lot of people on this forum are walking encyclopaedias when it comes to MK&DS.

Does anybody have problems with these statements? Let's respect each other and our unique contributions to this unique place. Now, I'm ready to take rotten tomatoes! :lol

I joined the official forum in 2006 because, after reading the posts for a while,  I really wanted to join in with the discussions and everyone seemed to be having a lot of fun.   However, there were lots of drawbacks which became more and more apparent.  One of these was that  members were only allowed six posts a day which meant that lengthy discussions were just about impossible.    Also emojis were frowned on and, as Dusty has said, criticism wasn't tolerated.

Eventually, mainly because of the restrictions, in 2008 AMIT was born and everything changed.   We could discuss topics 'til the cows came home, as happens now.   Also, we can have healthy discussions about MK/DS without posts being edited.

I have been a member since the beginning and even though there are inevitably ups and downs it has been a very happy time and I have had the pleasure of meeting lots of other members at MK concerts, some of whom are now friends.  Even though I don't post as much these days, I do read the posts every day!   :)


so happy to have gotten to know you and have you onboard here Val!
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Having read all that, I think the world will end when Ed finds something to disagree about with Chris, probably faster than Trump could ever do it (end the world) :lol

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I'd forgotten about emojis being banned by MK news. I think it was because they were too expensive? lols. Can you imagine trying to explain that to a kid these days?!
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Re the OES album, Mark said during interviews at the time that that album he actually could listen to, whereas the previous DS albums made him feel uncomfortable. I could imagine his opinion of it now would be very different.
Not necessarily, It's still his favorite DS album.
He reintroduced On Every Street on recent tours so presumably it wasn't too triggering.

Or maybe that was just the bad luck of hiring a saxophonist and needing songs that he could play.



Poor MK, what an unlucky bastard. If he fell into a bucket of tits he'd come out sucking his thumb.

Or maybe that was just the bad luck of hiring a saxophonist and needing songs that he could play.


More like pedal steel.
It would.
When I knew him neither of us looked backwards, we rarely discussed our lives before we met ( except our time in Leeds and the music we listened to from age 13/14 on ).
So I'm a bit surprised by the quotes various of you mention and that he listens to the DS records at all.
But we are not in each other’s lives really.
The “ pedal steel” bit made me laugh.
I must say playing in the NHB’s with Paul F was a treat, especially soundcheck where he and I jammed.
Playing with all of them was but some of the musical policy …nah, never mind.
One of my life’s highlights, better than a well administered colonic.
So I’m told.
I LOVED the "bucket of tits" line. If only…..
Am I the only one who finds CW's posts extremely annoying and evidently full of irritation towards the person the forum is dedicated to?

Obviously yes.

I guess you are just not used to a guy who delivers absolute clear thoughts and first hand knowledge, seldomly opinions, practically no trash talk and who is after the facts only. Humour might lacking (seemingly) which sometimes leads to a somewhat cold atmosphere around his posts, but if you are really honest to yourself you cannot nail a single post where Chris said something about MK that was not true. Worshipping is just not his thing, it seems. And why should he. However 90% of members come here to take a daily bath in a lot of hot MK love and feel comfortable among others to dive deep into praising our hero.

I for my part think that the forum has become much more relevant since Ed and Chris decided to post here on a more or less regular base.

I feel uncomfortable to write  about a guy and knowing that he will read it. But I did it to point out the fact that I don't like it and to mirror the way you wrote. We better should talk WITH each other, not about others. Just my two cents.

LE
Honest question; who are these 90% which you claim bath in hot MK love? I don't see a single one, and very, VERY seldom read anything even near that. None of us thinks MK behaved like an angel!! Geeez, can we move forward??!
To go back to OES I remember that Mark objected songs on this album being too much cynical.

Recently Mark even said that MFN lyrics were kind of unfair toward working class people.
He could wrote a song about that on his next album.
Chris first tried stand up comedy performing as The Paradiddle Penis but he couldn’t get on TV, not even late night.
So he dropped the Penis bit and stuck with paradiddles and look where that took him.
To this site ..you lucky drummer, you.
As you will have realised, I've essentially confirmed 95% of everything he’s posted.
He’s a very straightforward guy, no side to him, and I’m sure that there are bits of all this that have an element of getting stuff off both of our respective chests.
Some of what he’s said…..about his treatment by certain other band members ( disgusting ) , the whole issue of monitors and volume, song tempo stuff etc etc has actually shocked me.
I had two problems back then…..the whole tale underpinning that record and tour which I've probably exhausted ( as in what I can tell you ), and being so busy that I couldn’t see what was going on in front of me.
And of course no one told me , so I wasn’t able to at least try and remedy it.
As far as post 153 goes, well said and droll humour which I love eg the "daily bath of hot MK lurve "…sounds like a Barry White lyric.
Ed Greene who played drums on White’s records is one of the great unrecognised drummers.

To go back to OES I remember that Mark objected songs on this album being too much cynical.

Recently Mark even said that MFN lyrics were kind of unfair toward working class people.
He could wrote a song about that on his next album.

If I remember correctly, Mark said he wouldn't write Money For Nothing today.

He couldn’t write MFN today, Motley Crue have fucked off.

(thanks ds1984 :-)  He probably had a lot of dark things to get off his chest, and felt he had to excuse it? Of course it is only my feelings and not facts, but for me the difference in mood from OES to Golden heart is huge. "Darling pretty" is love flowing over, you can't help but smile, it is such a happy song! It is said that bad things makes great songs, and I think that is the case for OES. "When it comes to you" was an instant favorite, same with You and your friend and also Iron hand.
Substitute Kitty for Pretty.
Meeting her changed everything once they’d sorted things out.
Everything.
Like I said, I've moved on. I don't think about the bad things much any more, unless someone brings them up.
Same, decades ago.


None of the things you mention have anything to do with luck or lack of luck. Apart from the death of his father - which was sad, but something that everyone has to experience - everything else was the result of Mark's own choices. (OK, I'm speculating about the divorce, but anyone who's been or is married knows it takes two to tango ...)

Yes, pretty much everything except the death of his father. It also wasn't 'the worst tour' or 'worst album'.
I'm sure Mark was very happy with OES, it just wasn't as big a hit as BIA. I'm sure Mark regretted agreeing to the tour once it became a reality, but at the same time it netted Mark and John millions and they walked out to 25,000-60,000 people screaming adulation most nights.

But Ed said something along the lines of; Mark said: "I've made a crappy record". And it clearly wasn't as big as BIA. And the tour was "strange", to say the least. So I don't know, guys. I still think... Well, maybe it wasn't "unlucky", it's the wrong word for it, but it certainly wasn't the best time to be Mark Knopfler. Don't you think?
Bugger me sideways, Pavel is heading towards Bono’s kneeling stool.
There's a problem with all this for me.
There’s a huge hole in the story that I just can't tell you about and if I did it would make sense of all this for you.
Stuff Chris, actually none of the musicians including John don't know, nor my office staff either.
And maybe they never will and it probably doesn’t matter.
It's a bit like buying a 1000 piece jigsaw puzzle and eventually finding 50 pieces are missing.
No, it wasn’t a good time but eventually it turned into the best time for him.
But it wasn’t as bad as the Communique late 79 episode.
Now THAT was truly fucked, the stuff of nightmares .
Am I the only one who finds CW's posts extremely annoying and evidently full of irritation towards the person the forum is dedicated to?

Brief history lesson about how this forum came about if I may.

There used to be an official forum where even the slightest of criticism was not tolerated.

This forum was established to allow free and full discussion in a respectful way. I must say, I don’t think any of us ever imagined that an actual member of Dire Straits would join to talk about their real life experience being in the band for the best part of two years, or indeed the Dire Straits manager who was there from start to finish.

Rather than being annoyed, I’m extremely grateful for this input.

An actual member of Dire Straits answering questions? I’m tempted to say “you don’t know you’re born”…

AMIT is the best forum I have ever seen. I'm dead serious. The sheer fact it's still alive in the year 2025 alone deserves some kind of medal. Who on Earth uses forums nowadays anyway? Nobody! How it combines so many people from so many countries and walks of life, and many of the members have been there for a two-digit number of years, it seems.

I'm actually surprised not so many band members checked in because, seriously, it's the best source of information and fun in the MK world. Yes, discussions often go out of hand, but I've explained a million times the limitations of digital correspondence, and a lot of people on this forum are walking encyclopaedias when it comes to MK&DS.

Does anybody have problems with these statements? Let's respect each other and our unique contributions to this unique place. Now, I'm ready to take rotten tomatoes! :lol

YES!
He’s on Bono’s kneeling stool .
He’s assumed the position .
It’s the ONLY forum I’ve ever seen and apart from some uninformed and loopy posts it’s been huge fun to interact with you lot, help fill in a few gaps and learn things.
It's difficult when you're the manager to know what fans think, looking at nude polaroids doesn’t really do it.
Shame this wasn’t around to help or confound me back then.
I completely agree about digital communication.
I like to look into the other person's eyes and smell their armpits , someone should develop computers that smell of bodily functions, that would eliminate so many misunderstandings.


did i mention how friggin (i could say FUCKING on this forum just prefer friggin) amazing it is to have you (kinda) on board here, along with CW?
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This by ED:

There's a problem with all this for me.
There’s a huge hole in the story that I just can't tell you about and if I did it would make sense of all this for you.
Stuff Chris, actually none of the musicians including John don't know, nor my office staff either.
And maybe they never will and it probably doesn’t matter.
It's a bit like buying a 1000 piece jigsaw puzzle and eventually finding 50 pieces are missing.
No, it wasn’t a good time but eventually it turned into the best time for him.
But it wasn’t as bad as the Communique late 79 episode.
Now THAT was truly fucked, the stuff of nightmares .


Ed already mentioned about that something in previous posts and had everyone of us wondering about it. Personally I thought it was something that at least John would be aware of, however I agree with Ed that it probably doesn't matter.

And in a way it does, as it would explain better all around the DS coming back, the OES recording sessions and the OES tour, but I guess that we all read a lot by people who's been there to make a general picture, so that's why I agree with Ed with it doesn't matter.

Yes, we are all so curious we would like to know to the smallest detail. But I'm ok with all what Ed and Chris told us. It was way more than I would ever dreamed.

I only wonder if there is anything more that Ed could tell us he didn't yet that would be important to understand any point of DS or MK solo career... Thanks Ed, Thanks Chris, Thanks Amit for provoking both of them to come here and talk about all of this. I'm quite certain that I was in part very guilty of that, first with my stupid comments about Chris playing and second with nonsense and bad informations I took as certains and stupidly posted here for years.

Sometimes a fan needs (has to) to be kicked out on his ass. Thanks again Chris and Ed. I love you both.
So Long

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The main problem I have with this forum, and something I’m fed up with beyond belief and something that seriously makes me think of abandoning the place too often (I won’t announce it, of course), is too many people taking too many things too fucking seriously. I know you can’t buy a sense of humour and you can’t learn to laugh at yourself, but these are my observations from all recent discussions.

Take the entire "raw material" drama. Started as an innocent comment from a fan dreaming about an obviously impossible idea of having raw videos from On The Night, it quickly attracted an army led by Captain Obvious, thinking we took hostages and demanded to give us raw material or we’d start killing them one by one. And we’re a bunch of dorks who think we can do a better job than a team of professionals. I mean, what the fuck?

Nearly every, even slightly controversial, statement sparks 20 pages of pointless back-and-forth with a blind person talking to a deaf person, at the end of which Ed and Chris announce their victory in defeating stupid fans. There are a million ways to stop these dreams in a more polite, fun and less dramatic way, but people prefer to choose violence. And I, for one, is not somebody willing to turn the other cheek.

While I truly respect having the chance to discuss matters with actual people involved in such matters, the aftertaste from these discussions honestly gives me a gag reflex. That’s, of course, only my opinion, and I can imagine another group of people who would destroy me for saying that, but I had to say it. It’s an opinion (noun, a view or judgement formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge).

Chill out, folks. As I said many times, it’s a humble discussion forum that exists solely for people to politely discuss all things MK. Personal attacks, calling people names, stating obvious facts, twisting and distorting someone's words, and all this shit only make people angry for no reason, clog up threads and give us utterly false impressions about each other. A laugh saves the day!

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This by ED:

There's a problem with all this for me.
There’s a huge hole in the story that I just can't tell you about and if I did it would make sense of all this for you.
Stuff Chris, actually none of the musicians including John don't know, nor my office staff either.
And maybe they never will and it probably doesn’t matter.
It's a bit like buying a 1000 piece jigsaw puzzle and eventually finding 50 pieces are missing.
No, it wasn’t a good time but eventually it turned into the best time for him.
But it wasn’t as bad as the Communique late 79 episode.
Now THAT was truly fucked, the stuff of nightmares .


Ed already mentioned about that something in previous posts and had everyone of us wondering about it. Personally I thought it was something that at least John would be aware of, however I agree with Ed that it probably doesn't matter.

And in a way it does, as it would explain better all around the DS coming back, the OES recording sessions and the OES tour, but I guess that we all read a lot by people who's been there to make a general picture, so that's why I agree with Ed with it doesn't matter.

Yes, we are all so curious we would like to know to the smallest detail. But I'm ok with all what Ed and Chris told us. It was way more than I would ever dreamed.

I only wonder if there is anything more that Ed could tell us he didn't yet that would be important to understand any point of DS or MK solo career... Thanks Ed, Thanks Chris, Thanks Amit for provoking both of them to come here and talk about all of this. I'm quite certain that I was in part very guilty of that, first with my stupid comments about Chris playing and second with nonsense and bad informations I took as certains and stupidly posted here for years.

Sometimes a fan needs (has to) to be kicked out on his ass. Thanks again Chris and Ed. I love you both.

Well said, Jules... I agree it doesn't matter. I don't want to know how this magic trick works.

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The main problem I have with this forum, and something I’m fed up with beyond belief and something that seriously makes me think of abandoning the place too often (I won’t announce it, of course), is too many people taking too many things too fucking seriously. I know you can’t buy a sense of humour and you can’t learn to laugh at yourself, but these are my observations from all recent discussions.

Take the entire "raw material" drama. Started as an innocent comment from a fan dreaming about an obviously impossible idea of having raw videos from On The Night, it quickly attracted an army led by Captain Obvious, thinking we took hostages and demanded to give us raw material or we’d start killing them one by one. And we’re a bunch of dorks who think we can do a better job than a team of professionals. I mean, what the fuck?

Nearly every, even slightly controversial, statement sparks 20 pages of pointless back-and-forth with a blind person talking to a deaf person, at the end of which Ed and Chris announce their victory in defeating stupid fans. There are a million ways to stop these dreams in a more polite, fun and less dramatic way, but people prefer to choose violence. And I, for one, is not somebody willing to turn the other cheek.

While I truly respect having the chance to discuss matters with actual people involved in such matters, the aftertaste from these discussions honestly gives me a gag reflex. That’s, of course, only my opinion, and I can imagine another group of people who would destroy me for saying that, but I had to say it. It’s an opinion (noun, a view or judgement formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge).

Chill out, folks. As I said many times, it’s a humble discussion forum that exists solely for people to politely discuss all things MK. Personal attacks, calling people names, stating obvious facts, twisting and distorting someone's words, and all this shit only make people angry for no reason, clog up threads and give us utterly false impressions about each other. A laugh saves the day!

We're all grown ups here, for me a little bit of edge and as we say in the UK "taking the piss" makes everything more fund and interesting and I don't take any of this nonsense personally. If you feel something has crossed the line and broken rules, use the report function.

Where do you want to draw the line? Do you want Ed to stop "calling people names"? Should I be offended that Ed compared me to dead blonde legend and gay icon Dusty Springfield, even though most of those things apply to me also?

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Dear Ed, thank you for all the inputs and, of course, all your sense of humour that me laugh every time.

When I speak with my dear friend Brunno Ninny Nonny, I always said that what is speculation is only speculation. And, for some, these speculations turns a "possible" dream.
OK, there is a italian collector (now aka The Italian Collector) that have more secret material that we could imagine and, because of that, some of specific die-hard fans could dream about those things beeing as official releases.

However, for this kind of die-hard fans, there are tons and tons of bootlegs that fed all of their hungry. So, why make it official?
Beeing official wont bring anything new. It would be the same show, the same songs, played by the same people, bought by few, and now just... official.

There is no magic on this.
Once you have beeing caught by the Dire Straits desease, it's hard to beeing healthier again because it was a amazing band, with few songs and made great concerts. The hungry for something really new is understandable since Mark hasn't delivering, for us, ground-breaking new material since 2006.

I think that both DS or MK's Youtube channel, will release some "new" material over the time.

Answering rmarques821 about my poem (haha thx Ed): "looks like that he hates to be an artist"
The "looks like" is figurative.
His best 'on the ground' interview with him was with Kenny Brack. Mark was very relaxed and fun. As it should be. Not that behind BG desk talking about the songs.


Personal statement:
I joined this forum when my friend Brunno showed me some this forum messagens about The Italian Collector and a chance to hear some unpublished material plus a conversation with a "guy in the office" that could enter on the band's archive depot.
It was in 2018 and, until then, notthing happened.

I rarely listen to DS/MK since 2015 or something. I listen to Mark's new records once or twice and done. DS... years without put a song to play.

However, DS as a context, still moves me as a teenager seeking to be an artist. It refresh my thoughts to how be "romantic" on a pursuit for artistic identity. It still get me dreaming when i have my feet sticked  on the ground.

I don't listen to DS/MK anymore to not beeing bored.

 

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And now Ed…. Please write that book!!!!  ;D


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I just saw all the answers kindly provided by Ed (thank you for that), despite some painful kicks I received, I appreciate the flow of information provided. However, dear Ed, allow me to make a small addition regarding your considerations regarding my first posts in this specific topic:

At no time did I place myself as an important or relevant option to receive the material that I would like to see released in video form by the band's official channel (not that animation released on the official channel that any kid makes for fun, which gave rise to this topic), much less, qualified to take the artist's place, never, God forbid! With every post I've made I've made it clear (I know it won't happen), (in the utopia I conjectured (utopia, because of course they wouldn't do that)... even though it sounds like absolute nonsense to someone in your position, calm down, I've been conjecturing, I've made it clear in every comment I've made, here you've taken me too seriously, or I wasn't cautious enough in my conjecture and it sounded arrogant, I'm sorry for that, I didn't mean it that way. I'm aware of everything you've poured on me, I'm just a drop in the ocean, (IF) I had put myself in the position you've interpreted me in, I would immediately have ZERO relevance, that was my utopia, my DREAMLAND, (A daydream, if you prefer,I don't care). I know I'm a type of fan that belongs to an insignificant percentage of the general DS and MK audience, and here you pull me back to concrete reality, the overwhelming majority of people don't care about any of this that I would like to see released through official channels, I know that I belong to the wing of an insignificant minority to move any kind of effort towards this kind of release, but, thinking about it, the content of the live box would always be an object of desire for the wing that I belong to, the minority and it simply happened, and apparently, it sold well, in the end, I may have thought unconsciously, (who knows... unlikely things can happen, (you and Chris here are also an example.😅)

 Being a fan can be a kind of delirium, especially a fan like I was until now (in certain aspects) and I don't intend to be anymore as a matter of honor. Thank you for your feedback on my conjecture about wanting almost desperately for this material to be released, based on the great feat that was the release of Box Live 78/92, which for me, was an achievement that really surprised me in recent years, in view of this release, I started to think too highly of seeing that all this material was all these years (decades) out of reach of the fans and I clearly see how foolish I have been in my DREAMLAND and even outside of it. The "preservation of the DS legacy" that I mentioned, believe me, was with the best intention of words, it is unnecessary to mention the redundancy that I have NOTHING to do with it, what I think about how it should be is my problem, it is only my point of view as a consumer. Don't think for a second that I disregard all the effort you and everyone around you have put into the DS material. I'm sure they couldn't be in better hands. The success of DS reveals the competence of all of you. The fact that there are some points of disagreement regarding the band's policy of official live releases is just the point of view of a fan who has just turned 40 and who, for more than half of his earthly existence, bought everything he could about DS (all the official records, CDs, DVDs) and who, after that, dove into the universe of bootlegs and discovered a new world, a counterpoint that led me to understand a little more about what Dire Straits really was, something that the official material never let me know. For this reason, I have been hungry for official releases like the aforementioned Box Live 78/92 for a long time.

Thank you again. It is impossible not to learn important things when interacting with someone like you.

Cheers!
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If so, why did he say in interviews that it was his favorite album. The only DS album he can listen to.
Because he was promoting and marketing it at the time?
Did you expect him to say: "You know what, this album we've just made is absolutely shit. I can't listen to it."

He spoke about it in interviews many years later after the publication of on every street.
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