Dire Straits - When It Comes To You (Live in Nîmes, France / 1992 / Visualiser)

[Chris W]

It would be a significant expense to go back to the film and edit new songs from the raw footage, also the audio has to match the video, so the audio would also have to be remixed. Cost versus benefit? How many people would want to buy a second (expanded) version of the On The Night DVD?

[Viervalen]

And what would be the problem with releasing the raw version so that fans, for example, could edit it at an amateur/pro level?

What is the advantage of keeping them locked away instead of releasing them in their current version, technically speaking?

[Marnix]

It would be a significant expense to go back to the film and edit new songs from the raw footage, also the audio has to match the video, so the audio would also have to be remixed. Cost versus benefit? How many people would want to buy a second (expanded) version of the On The Night DVD?

I would defenitely buy an expanded version on dvd. I would love to have a completer version of this album. For example I am also a big fan of the remixed and edited version of Pink Floyds live album Delicate Sound of thunder of the boxset or 24 nights from Eric Clapton. Or how the Rolling Stones releases the vault concerts

[Brunno Nunes]

And what would be the problem with releasing the raw version so that fans, for example, could edit it at an amateur/pro level?



What is the advantage of keeping them locked away instead of releasing them in their current version, technically speaking?

Exactly.
That was the best question, the most appropriate one could ask when faced with this! If there are recordings, what's the point in keeping them out of reach of fans? If this material were given to some people here on this forum (I include myself in this list), I guarantee that with a small investment, we would be able to do a good job of producing this recording and giving it the treatment it has always deserved, even if the cost were paid for by everyone involved. I know that this won't happen, but if someone who has access to this band's material made it available for fans to finance the production, even if on a small scale, I have no doubt that the overwhelming majority of the fans most present here on this forum and on other social networks would participate in a crowdfunding campaign. There are ways, but initiative and willingness on the part of those who could provide this raw material is what is lacking, unfortunately. I would love to put this proposal out there for anyone who could lead me to someone who could verify this material (Guy, John?). A collective campaign could be started to finance the production, all that was needed was access to the existing material. Now, if nothing exists, forget everything I wrote, but, seeing a release like the content of the live box set 78-92, having a gem like Rainbow 79... I still have hope that there is more material that could receive the treatment it deserves for the sake of Dire Straits' historical memory.

[ds1984]

What the record company will try to cash in for BIA 40th aniversary release?

I think the only correct approach is about market and money.

Is there a way that releasing the full Live in Wembley Arena being worthly profitable for Universal ?

[Chris W]

And what would be the problem with releasing the raw version so that fans, for example, could edit it at an amateur/pro level?

What is the advantage of keeping them locked away instead of releasing them in their current version, technically speaking?

The first line is madness. No credible artists releases raw, unedited art for 'fans' to do their own thing with.
The advantage of 'locking them away' is that the artist is in control of their legacy. They recorded 6 to 8 shows and edited, finished the best performances for the fans. Why would anyone give you the less good stuff....seriously?

[Chris W]

Exactly.
That was the best question, the most appropriate one could ask when faced with this! If there are recordings, what's the point in keeping them out of reach of fans? If this material were given to some people here on this forum (I include myself in this list), I guarantee that with a small investment, we would be able to do a good job of producing this recording and giving it the treatment it has always deserved, even if the cost were paid for by everyone involved.

And you could finish an unfinished Picasso at the same time. Really, I've seen some crazy stuff on this forum and this line of argument takes the biscuit.
The people who work on video and audio production have decades of experience. Anyone who gets to work on a product by a major artist like Dire Straits has years of experience at the highest level and a track record of delivering outstanding work. And you think Mark and John are going to release raw content for you to finish?
For the record - I wouldn't put MYSELF in that frame, let alone an amateur fan.

[quizzaciously]

Meanwhile, for other bands you can even find stuff like "Live At Wembley ‘86 - Bass Player's Camera Angle HD":

[Chris W]

What the record company will try to cash in for BIA 40th aniversary release?

I think the only correct approach is about market and money.

Is there a way that releasing the full Live in Wembley Arena being worthly profitable for Universal ?

I imagine Mark has final say on any such projects. What is HIS motivation to add to the On Every Street, On The Night film and audio.
I imagine it's not a particularly happy memory for him, not one of his proudest moments.
I think the recent box set is probably his last word on remixes, extra songs and re-releases.

[Chris W]

Meanwhile, for other bands you can even find stuff like "Live At Wembley ‘86 - Bass Player's Camera Angle HD":

Where does that video come from?
Also, Queen are still en entity, playing shows, promoting their band and selling tickets. DS ended effectively in 1992. Where is the advantage for Mark and John going back to live video and editing a John Illsley camera angle?

[quizzaciously]

Meanwhile, for other bands you can even find stuff like "Live At Wembley ‘86 - Bass Player's Camera Angle HD":

Where does that video come from?
Also, Queen are still en entity, playing shows, promoting their band and selling tickets. DS ended effectively in 1992. Where is the advantage for Mark and John going back to live video and editing a John Illsley camera angle?

I believe it comes from the second disc of the 2003 (!) DVD release of the show, but ultimately yes, it depends on whether the people responsible care for this stuff at all. I bet nobody asked for a multi-angle feature of this show, but they still did it, 22 years ago.

[quizzaciously]

Exactly.
That was the best question, the most appropriate one could ask when faced with this! If there are recordings, what's the point in keeping them out of reach of fans? If this material were given to some people here on this forum (I include myself in this list), I guarantee that with a small investment, we would be able to do a good job of producing this recording and giving it the treatment it has always deserved, even if the cost were paid for by everyone involved.

And you could finish an unfinished Picasso at the same time. Really, I've seen some crazy stuff on this forum and this line of argument takes the biscuit.
The people who work on video and audio production have decades of experience. Anyone who gets to work on a product by a major artist like Dire Straits has years of experience at the highest level and a track record of delivering outstanding work. And you think Mark and John are going to release raw content for you to finish?
For the record - I wouldn't put MYSELF in that frame, let alone an amateur fan.

Jokes aside, fans often do a far better job than official parties. Take a look at the gaming industry, where releases by big corporations are often complete trash that then gets improved by fans, sometimes single-handedly. A good example from recent history: Grand Theft Auto: The Trilogy – The Definitive Edition. From 1998 Trespasser to this day, the gaming industry is constantly being improved by fans and their mods. Heck, even "Counter-Strike" originally was a mod. Don't underestimate the power of fans.

Personally, I lost any confidence in anything "official" as the quality of the product is often mediocre, so if it's official it doesn't automatically mean quality. Not to say live videos are bad though as USUALLY they are done great. What Brunno meant was, I think, is should these "raw" tracks be available somehow, official or not, fans could (and they would) combine raw tracks and audio into something pretty good. As an editor myself, I can say editing is not rocket science, and it would be fun to mess with OES tracks.

[Chris W]

I believe it comes from the second disc of the 2003 (!) DVD release of the show

So it comes officially from the band. And that is my point. It wasn't released as raw footage a few months ago for fans tomplay around with.

[Chris W]

Jokes aside, fans often do a far better job than official parties.

I guess it depends how you quantify 'a better job'.
If you look at fans 'cover song' videos on Youtube both the audio and video quality are often terrible.

[Chris W]

It's a shame a nice thread about a great performance of a great song - has had to go Wild West again.