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Author Topic: Tunnel Of Love - Werchter 1981 HD VIDEO - CLEAR STEREO!!!  (Read 1799 times)

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Tunnel Of Love - Werchter 1981 HD VIDEO - CLEAR STEREO!!!
« on: January 17, 2025, 11:08:49 PM »
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Re: Tunnel Of Love - Werchter 1981 HD VIDEO - CLEAR STEREO!!!
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2025, 07:25:32 PM »
Thanks - interesting source of this video.

"Where are the tapes?"

Maybe here is a starting point

https://reelinintheyears.com/database-search/?stage=show_results

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Re: Tunnel Of Love - Werchter 1981 HD VIDEO - CLEAR STEREO!!!
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2025, 11:58:58 AM »
Thanks - interesting source of this video.

"Where are the tapes?"

Maybe here is a starting point

https://reelinintheyears.com/database-search/?stage=show_results

It's here. Obviously, EL and PI are included on the same track.
Only 3 tracks +  PI end from News where on the original broadcast (and a little bit from PB on final credits!).

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Re: Tunnel Of Love - Werchter 1981 HD VIDEO - CLEAR STEREO!!!
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2025, 02:14:56 AM »
Uhh what is this? Mark’s tone is so unusually awful. The ending solo is kinda meh and sounds like he’s playing pizzicato violin.. honestly one of the worst ToL’s Ive heard

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Re: Tunnel Of Love - Werchter 1981 HD VIDEO - CLEAR STEREO!!!
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2025, 08:24:27 AM »
Uhh what is this? Mark’s tone is so unusually awful. The ending solo is kinda meh and sounds like he’s playing pizzicato violin.. honestly one of the worst ToL’s Ive heard

Fully agree. Mark being tanked, great musical ambitions but all very bad executed, typical for this era.

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Re: Tunnel Of Love - Werchter 1981 HD VIDEO - CLEAR STEREO!!!
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2025, 08:40:35 AM »
Uhh what is this? Mark’s tone is so unusually awful. The ending solo is kinda meh and sounds like he’s playing pizzicato violin.. honestly one of the worst ToL’s Ive heard

Fully agree. Mark being tanked, great musical ambitions but all very bad executed, typical for this era.

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Yeah, the tone is not something to write home about, it sounds like a dry track or something, I'm not exactly sure it's the faithful representation of a live show and was meant to be heard this way. Maybe some remixing and processing could bring some life out of it. A couple of mistakes here and there, but not that bad, actually.

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Re: Tunnel Of Love - Werchter 1981 HD VIDEO - CLEAR STEREO!!!
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2025, 09:07:18 AM »
Uhh what is this? Mark’s tone is so unusually awful. The ending solo is kinda meh and sounds like he’s playing pizzicato violin.. honestly one of the worst ToL’s Ive heard

Fully agree. Mark being tanked, great musical ambitions but all very bad executed, typical for this era.

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Yeah, the tone is not something to write home about, it sounds like a dry track or something, I'm not exactly sure it's the faithful representation of a live show and was meant to be heard this way. Maybe some remixing and processing could bring some life out of it. A couple of mistakes here and there, but not that bad, actually.

Sounds like it was recorded directly from a DI. Re amping would fix it, if only we had the multitracks ;-)

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Re: Tunnel Of Love - Werchter 1981 HD VIDEO - CLEAR STEREO!!!
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2025, 01:41:24 PM »
For TV and radio was it the standard to use multitracks ?

We know that it was used in some case, such as by the BBC but I fear that most of the material was actually live mixed down to a 2 tracks.



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Re: Tunnel Of Love - Werchter 1981 HD VIDEO - CLEAR STEREO!!!
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2025, 02:59:14 PM »
For TV and radio was it the standard to use multitracks ?

We know that it was used in some case, such as by the BBC but I fear that most of the material was actually live mixed down to a 2 tracks.

No, that was expensive.

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« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2025, 03:38:04 PM »
Probably 2 track in this era.  This recording and the Dortmund one of the same year are pretty ropey in mix, but guess the aim was to make DS sound good through equally bad tv speakers of that age.

I'm hopeful the 1985 Westwood 1 recordings which were destined for radio only were multitracked. I've found photos of a mobile recording facility they used for these shows.  Basically a giant converted coach, equal if not bigger to the Rolling Stones mobile used for Alchemy and Wembley 85.  Just ignore the "where are the tapes" bit for one minute.

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Re: Tunnel Of Love - Werchter 1981 HD VIDEO - CLEAR STEREO!!!
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2025, 05:30:35 PM »
Uhh what is this? Mark’s tone is so unusually awful. The ending solo is kinda meh and sounds like he’s playing pizzicato violin.. honestly one of the worst ToL’s Ive heard

I would kill to hear this 'worst' TOL live ... I don't agree btw, sounds very nice to me.
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« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2025, 05:35:49 PM »
We should collect money and contact them  ;D
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Re: Tunnel Of Love - Werchter 1981 HD VIDEO - CLEAR STEREO!!!
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2025, 06:54:49 PM »
Probably 2 track in this era.  This recording and the Dortmund one of the same year are pretty ropey in mix, but guess the aim was to make DS sound good through equally bad tv speakers of that age.

I'm hopeful the 1985 Westwood 1 recordings which were destined for radio only were multitracked. I've found photos of a mobile recording facility they used for these shows.  Basically a giant converted coach, equal if not bigger to the Rolling Stones mobile used for Alchemy and Wembley 85.  Just ignore the "where are the tapes" bit for one minute.

Just for information, if you listen to any bootleg from 1980, the tone is the same as Dortmund 80 and in 1981, the timbre is not much different from Werchter 1981, very thin and dry tone. (1980 has the worst tone of MK's guitar, in my opinion) In my opinion, this is because Mark was looking for the ideal timbre for his new guitars, Schecter, he was still using Musicman amps live in 80-81, this configuration generated this timbre of this tour. Mark only found the timbre he wanted for the Schecter live on the LOG tour 82-83, when he started using Mesa Boogie amps, where, the sound changes for the better on his guitar, it becomes much more imposing, in this sense, Alchemy was created at the right moment in DS's trajectory.
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« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2025, 06:56:16 PM »
But, apart from the guitar tone, I love the energy of the shows on this tour and Werchter 1981 is no different, a precious record.
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Re: Tunnel Of Love - Werchter 1981 HD VIDEO - CLEAR STEREO!!!
« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2025, 11:04:01 PM »
One curiosity...

Who is making this noise at 6:44 and 6:49? I always thought that he was Mark, but after seeing this new HD video, Mark is not making any noise, he is very concentrated on the guitar.

 

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