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Re: Opinions on Dire Straits coverbands?
« Reply #60 on: December 07, 2024, 05:41:00 PM »
I See that, to a die-hard fan, tribute bands could be offensive.
It's strange, however, there is a thin line between being cool or being offensive.

If a pub-band plays a very well played DS set during the concert, It's fine. This little band is paying their respect do DS.
However, when this little band realises there are enought audience interested on more DS songs and they turned themselves into a serious DS cover band.... Oh, no. This is outrageous.

And if this little band starts touring as DS Cover Band... Ufff. It's a deadly sin.

If you don't like DSL, don't watch them.
The same as for any cover band that you dislike.
I don't know if that was your intention or not, but in its own irony, your comment aligns perfectly with what I said in previous comments.

"If you don't like DSL, don't watch them.
The same as for any cover band that you dislike."

Right. I don't. You don't need to tell me to not watch them, I just find their modus operandi artistically and morally reprehensible. And I'm just commenting on online forum... it really doesn't matter what I think.
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Re: Opinions on Dire Straits coverbands?
« Reply #61 on: December 07, 2024, 05:48:26 PM »
Legacy, Experience, Brothers in Band, Dire Wherever...

Let these guys earns their money.
It's a job.

ps. Chris comments are just perfect.


It's funny that some points of view seem to be full of spite. You're absolutely right, Rolo. I'll add one more thing: Mark Knopfler only has something to gain from tribute bands like DSE or DSL. As far as I know, they have to pay a fee, a percentage of each ticket that goes into MK's account. I don't know if the same thing happens with Spanish bands like Oscar's band, Alchemy Project or Brothers In Band, but for MK, there are only advantages. He makes money while sleeping, brushing his teeth... while cover and tribute bands provide entertainment for those who want to pay for it. I have no doubt that there is a lot of effort and dedication in each of these projects to bring something that matches the quality attributed to a Dire Straits show. It's never the same, but they fulfill the role of any quality cover or tribute band. If there are people who think they are paying to watch a Dire Straits show, without a doubt it is someone who only knows a couple of songs that they are able to recognize by name, SOS, SFA, MFN or WOL at most, so it is not the bands' problem, it is their problem that they do not inform themselves in the information age.

In addition to spreading the songs written by Mark Knopfler, making them travel around the world, entering people's daily lives, that is, they promote them, make these songs live, because they are invoked and in essence are presented by fans to fans, this is keeping the flame of the band's memory alive, since we will no longer have the opportunity in this existence to see Dire Straits again, Mark Knopfler nullified all possibilities. When they reversed the time machine and I was able to travel back in time to watch the performance at Rockpalast 79, Alchemy... in person, the tribute bands or covers won't make as much sense to me. 😅
Dear friend Brunno, people like you, the moderators of this forum, the Spanish group who film the concerts, who have the Tracker, the Dutch guys including the legend Jeroen, Pavel Fomenkov, etc. All of you are the ones keeping the flame of the band's memory alive.

Not Alan Clark or Phil Palmer or any other. They couldn't give a hot shit about Dire Straits. They will go silent the moment people stop buying tickets, as they were before DSL, DSE, DSZ or DSY, because it's obvious that for them it's just a money machine.

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Re: Opinions on Dire Straits coverbands?
« Reply #62 on: December 07, 2024, 07:35:23 PM »
Legacy, Experience, Brothers in Band, Dire Wherever...

Let these guys earns their money.
It's a job.

ps. Chris comments are just perfect.


It's funny that some points of view seem to be full of spite. You're absolutely right, Rolo. I'll add one more thing: Mark Knopfler only has something to gain from tribute bands like DSE or DSL. As far as I know, they have to pay a fee, a percentage of each ticket that goes into MK's account. I don't know if the same thing happens with Spanish bands like Oscar's band, Alchemy Project or Brothers In Band, but for MK, there are only advantages. He makes money while sleeping, brushing his teeth... while cover and tribute bands provide entertainment for those who want to pay for it. I have no doubt that there is a lot of effort and dedication in each of these projects to bring something that matches the quality attributed to a Dire Straits show. It's never the same, but they fulfill the role of any quality cover or tribute band. If there are people who think they are paying to watch a Dire Straits show, without a doubt it is someone who only knows a couple of songs that they are able to recognize by name, SOS, SFA, MFN or WOL at most, so it is not the bands' problem, it is their problem that they do not inform themselves in the information age.

In addition to spreading the songs written by Mark Knopfler, making them travel around the world, entering people's daily lives, that is, they promote them, make these songs live, because they are invoked and in essence are presented by fans to fans, this is keeping the flame of the band's memory alive, since we will no longer have the opportunity in this existence to see Dire Straits again, Mark Knopfler nullified all possibilities. When they reversed the time machine and I was able to travel back in time to watch the performance at Rockpalast 79, Alchemy... in person, the tribute bands or covers won't make as much sense to me. 😅
Dear friend Brunno, people like you, the moderators of this forum, the Spanish group who film the concerts, who have the Tracker, the Dutch guys including the legend Jeroen, Pavel Fomenkov, etc. All of you are the ones keeping the flame of the band's memory alive.

Not Alan Clark or Phil Palmer or any other. They couldn't give a hot shit about Dire Straits. They will go silent the moment people stop buying tickets, as they were before DSL, DSE, DSZ or DSY, because it's obvious that for them it's just a money machine.

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Re: Opinions on Dire Straits coverbands?
« Reply #63 on: December 07, 2024, 10:20:02 PM »
Legacy, Experience, Brothers in Band, Dire Wherever...

Let these guys earns their money.
It's a job.

ps. Chris comments are just perfect.


It's funny that some points of view seem to be full of spite. You're absolutely right, Rolo. I'll add one more thing: Mark Knopfler only has something to gain from tribute bands like DSE or DSL. As far as I know, they have to pay a fee, a percentage of each ticket that goes into MK's account. I don't know if the same thing happens with Spanish bands like Oscar's band, Alchemy Project or Brothers In Band, but for MK, there are only advantages. He makes money while sleeping, brushing his teeth... while cover and tribute bands provide entertainment for those who want to pay for it. I have no doubt that there is a lot of effort and dedication in each of these projects to bring something that matches the quality attributed to a Dire Straits show. It's never the same, but they fulfill the role of any quality cover or tribute band. If there are people who think they are paying to watch a Dire Straits show, without a doubt it is someone who only knows a couple of songs that they are able to recognize by name, SOS, SFA, MFN or WOL at most, so it is not the bands' problem, it is their problem that they do not inform themselves in the information age.

In addition to spreading the songs written by Mark Knopfler, making them travel around the world, entering people's daily lives, that is, they promote them, make these songs live, because they are invoked and in essence are presented by fans to fans, this is keeping the flame of the band's memory alive, since we will no longer have the opportunity in this existence to see Dire Straits again, Mark Knopfler nullified all possibilities. When they reversed the time machine and I was able to travel back in time to watch the performance at Rockpalast 79, Alchemy... in person, the tribute bands or covers won't make as much sense to me. 😅
Dear friend Brunno, people like you, the moderators of this forum, the Spanish group who film the concerts, who have the Tracker, the Dutch guys including the legend Jeroen, Pavel Fomenkov, etc. All of you are the ones keeping the flame of the band's memory alive.

Not Alan Clark or Phil Palmer or any other. They couldn't give a hot shit about Dire Straits. They will go silent the moment people stop buying tickets, as they were before DSL, DSE, DSZ or DSY, because it's obvious that for them it's just a money machine.


Dear marques821, we have a different perspective on this topic. It seems to me that you think it is immoral or lacking in creativity, inability to create original material... Well, how are they going to create original material with the proposal of a tribute band or cover?
Do you really think it is lacking in creativity to have a cover band or do a tribute? Do you have any idea what it is like to recreate arrangements, solos, that is, to reproduce Mark Knopfler's parts as frontman, sing and play at the same time (take into account the effort that often English is not the person's language), and here, I speak from my own experience, it is not easy, even for great musicians, but it is not impossible. So, look at the roles of the musicians to interpret the level of Alan Clark, Terry Williams, Pick Withers, Chris White...have you thought about the effort involved in this?

I appreciate the recognition in mentioning me as someone who keeps the band's flame alive, probably because of my contributions shared here, on the blog Universo Dire Straits, on Instagram or in groups on Facebook, but, just like me, Pavel and everyone you mentioned, when I look at a guy like Óscar Rosende, a big fan, a guy who has a vast knowledge of MK equipment, technical sound aspects of the DS, the same goes for the great tribute bands in Spain (they are the greatest, in my opinion), they all keep the flame of Dire Straits alive when they are playing with their projects, because at the front of each one of them, there is a big fan who dreamed of learning to play these songs with a band and play for audiences, but, to materialize this, they became professionals to deliver a quality product, (isn't that exactly what DS did?). I'm a guy who still dreams about this, everything I've done and do in this regard is on a micro level, just a few sporadic performances with a band among friends in my city, where we play classic rock, my own music, and of course, Dire Straits. I'm sure many here dream, or have dreamed of playing Dire Straits songs in a band, especially if you're a guitarist. I have a red Fender, when I play Sultans of Swing, Down to The Waterline, Lady Writer... I use this guitar and it's like a ritual, if there's a Dire Straits fan present, he'll connect immediately, if I respect the arrangement with my band, he'll be enchanted, I've seen it with my own eyes, the same happens when I see Óscar using a replica of the Schecter Sunbuster for Tunnel Of Love, or the Pensa for Calling Elvis, Ramon using a Les Paul for MFN, or the rhythm guitarist of Brothers In Band using a Steinberg for MFN, like Jack Sonni used to do in 85/86. This applies to DSE, Terrence also respects this aspect. The role of these bands is not to equal Dire Straits, but to try to bring the spirit of a band that no longer exists. They respect the arrangement, there is a demand, there are people wanting this experience. Each project has its own way of bringing this experience, whether it is reproducing Alchemy or On The Night. They respect the work. There is nothing that makes them an immoral or false act in what they are doing. It depends on the eyes of the beholder. Or if they were selling themselves as the return of the legendary band Dire Straits that ended its activities in the early 90s, which has not happened so far and if it does, it will be disapproved by all of us. (I doubt that will happen.)

Sorry for the long text, but it is an attempt to show a little more of my perspective on this. I do not want to convince you, but dialectics is always a way to break some paradigms.
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Re: Opinions on Dire Straits coverbands?
« Reply #64 on: December 07, 2024, 10:42:51 PM »
Legacy, Experience, Brothers in Band, Dire Wherever...

Let these guys earns their money.
It's a job.

ps. Chris comments are just perfect.


It's funny that some points of view seem to be full of spite. You're absolutely right, Rolo. I'll add one more thing: Mark Knopfler only has something to gain from tribute bands like DSE or DSL. As far as I know, they have to pay a fee, a percentage of each ticket that goes into MK's account. I don't know if the same thing happens with Spanish bands like Oscar's band, Alchemy Project or Brothers In Band, but for MK, there are only advantages. He makes money while sleeping, brushing his teeth... while cover and tribute bands provide entertainment for those who want to pay for it. I have no doubt that there is a lot of effort and dedication in each of these projects to bring something that matches the quality attributed to a Dire Straits show. It's never the same, but they fulfill the role of any quality cover or tribute band. If there are people who think they are paying to watch a Dire Straits show, without a doubt it is someone who only knows a couple of songs that they are able to recognize by name, SOS, SFA, MFN or WOL at most, so it is not the bands' problem, it is their problem that they do not inform themselves in the information age.

In addition to spreading the songs written by Mark Knopfler, making them travel around the world, entering people's daily lives, that is, they promote them, make these songs live, because they are invoked and in essence are presented by fans to fans, this is keeping the flame of the band's memory alive, since we will no longer have the opportunity in this existence to see Dire Straits again, Mark Knopfler nullified all possibilities. When they reversed the time machine and I was able to travel back in time to watch the performance at Rockpalast 79, Alchemy... in person, the tribute bands or covers won't make as much sense to me. 😅
Dear friend Brunno, people like you, the moderators of this forum, the Spanish group who film the concerts, who have the Tracker, the Dutch guys including the legend Jeroen, Pavel Fomenkov, etc. All of you are the ones keeping the flame of the band's memory alive.

Not Alan Clark or Phil Palmer or any other. They couldn't give a hot shit about Dire Straits. They will go silent the moment people stop buying tickets, as they were before DSL, DSE, DSZ or DSY, because it's obvious that for them it's just a money machine.


Dear marques821, we have a different perspective on this topic. It seems to me that you think it is immoral or lacking in creativity, inability to create original material... Well, how are they going to create original material with the proposal of a tribute band or cover?
Do you really think it is lacking in creativity to have a cover band or do a tribute? Do you have any idea what it is like to recreate arrangements, solos, that is, to reproduce Mark Knopfler's parts as frontman, sing and play at the same time (take into account the effort that often English is not the person's language), and here, I speak from my own experience, it is not easy, even for great musicians, but it is not impossible. So, look at the roles of the musicians to interpret the level of Alan Clark, Terry Williams, Pick Withers, Chris White...have you thought about the effort involved in this?

I appreciate the recognition in mentioning me as someone who keeps the band's flame alive, probably because of my contributions shared here, on the blog Universo Dire Straits, on Instagram or in groups on Facebook, but, just like me, Pavel and everyone you mentioned, when I look at a guy like Óscar Rosende, a big fan, a guy who has a vast knowledge of MK equipment, technical sound aspects of the DS, the same goes for the great tribute bands in Spain (they are the greatest, in my opinion), they all keep the flame of Dire Straits alive when they are playing with their projects, because at the front of each one of them, there is a big fan who dreamed of learning to play these songs with a band and play for audiences, but, to materialize this, they became professionals to deliver a quality product, (isn't that exactly what DS did?). I'm a guy who still dreams about this, everything I've done and do in this regard is on a micro level, just a few sporadic performances with a band among friends in my city, where we play classic rock, my own music, and of course, Dire Straits. I'm sure many here dream, or have dreamed of playing Dire Straits songs in a band, especially if you're a guitarist. I have a red Fender, when I play Sultans of Swing, Down to The Waterline, Lady Writer... I use this guitar and it's like a ritual, if there's a Dire Straits fan present, he'll connect immediately, if I respect the arrangement with my band, he'll be enchanted, I've seen it with my own eyes, the same happens when I see Óscar using a replica of the Schecter Sunbuster for Tunnel Of Love, or the Pensa for Calling Elvis, Ramon using a Les Paul for MFN, or the rhythm guitarist of Brothers In Band using a Steinberg for MFN, like Jack Sonni used to do in 85/86. This applies to DSE, Terrence also respects this aspect. The role of these bands is not to equal Dire Straits, but to try to bring the spirit of a band that no longer exists. They respect the arrangement, there is a demand, there are people wanting this experience. Each project has its own way of bringing this experience, whether it is reproducing Alchemy or On The Night. They respect the work. There is nothing that makes them an immoral or false act in what they are doing. It depends on the eyes of the beholder. Or if they were selling themselves as the return of the legendary band Dire Straits that ended its activities in the early 90s, which has not happened so far and if it does, it will be disapproved by all of us. (I doubt that will happen.)

Sorry for the long text, but it is an attempt to show a little more of my perspective on this. I do not want to convince you, but dialectics is always a way to break some paradigms.
"Well, how are they going to create original material with the proposal of a tribute band or cover?"

They are not. They came up with a tribute band precisely they have nothing else to offer.

"Do you really think it is lacking in creativity to have a cover band or do a tribute?"

Obviously.

"have you thought about the effort involved in this?"

Doesn't really matter the effort, my friend. At the end of the day, they are playing what someone else already created. No matter how difficult the solos, the arrangements, the lyrics, the farts or the coughs, etc. It's already there, it's been created and it's been done. Finito. It's a replica. It will ALWAYS be more difficult to come up with original stuff.

I also don't want to change yours or anyone else's view. I understand you're very passionate about this topic and I respect that a lot. It might also be that I just don't care about Dire Straits that much, anymore. So these tribute bands rank even lower in my list of consideration. I just wanted to answer the OP's question and explain my point of view.
« Last Edit: December 07, 2024, 10:44:52 PM by rmarques821 »

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Re: Opinions on Dire Straits coverbands?
« Reply #65 on: December 07, 2024, 11:59:40 PM »
It's interesting as I can't argue with both of you, you are both right. It's probably the nature of life, the road less travelled is always going to be harder.

What I realised is you can't ask too much from people. rmarques821 said any cover band is a replica. Well, yes, because having an original (successful) band is a lot of work, an order of magnitude more work than having a tribute band. Even having an original thought is a lot of work. This is why AI is unlikely to succeed in ever beating us. Only a human's brain is capable of having an original thought; the computer is just manipulating ones and zeroes.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter whether what you create is 100% original and successful. If it is, chances are you're gonna be wealthy and famous, it will pay off in spades. So I do not worry about that. For us mere mortals, we are stuck with what we have and need to make do regardless. The only thing we should think about is whether we are doing bad things or whether what we create is shit. And I also learned it happens to be difficult to do.

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« Reply #66 on: December 08, 2024, 12:50:50 PM »
All these absolutist comments make me laugh.
Of course people who are employed by an employer have never had to create something original then slog it out for years in tiny clubs for no money.
They can't imagine the hard work that goes into these shows, and the weeks away from hoe and family.
That's fine, I expect nothing less from the usual forum members.
Anyone who claims to know that these former DS members 'care nothing' about Dire Straits are obviously making stuff up and maybe projecting their own emotions on to people they absolutely don't know.
In the end, DSE (for one) perform in front of thousands of ecstatic DS fans at every show they play.
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Re: Opinions on Dire Straits coverbands?
« Reply #67 on: December 08, 2024, 04:24:58 PM »
All these absolutist comments make me laugh.
Of course people who are employed by an employer have never had to create something original then slog it out for years in tiny clubs for no money.
They can't imagine the hard work that goes into these shows, and the weeks away from hoe and family.
That's fine, I expect nothing less from the usual forum members.
Anyone who claims to know that these former DS members 'care nothing' about Dire Straits are obviously making stuff up and maybe projecting their own emotions on to people they absolutely don't know.
In the end, DSE (for one) perform in front of thousands of ecstatic DS fans at every show they play.
If you don't like it, you don't like it, but don't imagine stuff you really don't know or don't understand.

I completely agree and would add that the same thing happens with other projects like the tribute bands from Spain, led by big Dire Straits fans and experts in the Knopfler technique, shows with full houses, perfect for more experienced audiences, who really know the songs. If it weren't for these projects, much of Dire Straits' sound would be limited to Classic Rock radio stations, songs like Lady Writer haven't been played by MK since 1979, Down to The Waterline since 1981, Tunnel Of Love, last played in 1992... Anyway, these projects provide a wonderful opportunity to CELEBRATE Dire Straits' music, especially for those who never had the opportunity to see the original band, for me, in essence they are acts of celebration.
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« Reply #68 on: December 08, 2024, 09:08:05 PM »
I always find it intriguing the level of emotion that the tribute band topic brings forward. This seems to stem from the time when "The Straits" made their first outing comprised of Alan Clark, Phil Palmer and Chris White amongst other top level session musicians.

I saw that band three times.  For me, I really enjoyed hearing the songs played by players involved in some capacity in the history of Dire Straits.  Yes, the absence of Mark was a gaping hole but you could still hear elements that I'd longed to hear live but couldn't because I was too young and missed DS play live.  For me I think at that time they filled a "gap in the market" for fans like me who felt slightly adrift with MKs solo output, even hearing DS songs played live by him.  There was originality in the arrangements too to some extent, notably their version of Iron Hand which was a respectful update to the original.  I don't care for the politics or personalities of it all, I can just say for me that to some extent it satisfied a hunger.

That was some time ago.  Most recently I've been impressed by hearing solo musicians play informally... when someone played the Theme of Local hero unexpectedly on a campsite piano in the south of france last summer, or seeing that busker in Liverpool on social media play Sultans.   At the end of the day, these are good songs, and for me I don't mind who plays them if they do it well and respectfully.

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« Reply #69 on: December 09, 2024, 12:51:59 AM »
At least one of the musicians can claim to have created their own work of note.

Kind of bizarre that he was playing bass in a Dire Straits tribute band but there’s a good chance people will be listening to Trevor Horn’s records long after MK’s have been forgotten.
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Re: Opinions on Dire Straits coverbands?
« Reply #70 on: December 09, 2024, 08:18:59 AM »
At least one of the musicians can claim to have created their own work of note.

Kind of bizarre that he was playing bass in a Dire Straits tribute band but there’s a good chance people will be listening to Trevor Horn’s records long after MK’s have been forgotten.

And why is that ?   Because you think TH is/was more popular ?
Personally I did not even know who Trevor Horn was before I read about the tribute band and him joining it.
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Re: Opinions on Dire Straits coverbands?
« Reply #71 on: December 09, 2024, 08:33:40 AM »
At least one of the musicians can claim to have created their own work of note.

Kind of bizarre that he was playing bass in a Dire Straits tribute band but there’s a good chance people will be listening to Trevor Horn’s records long after MK’s have been forgotten.

And why is that ?   Because you think TH is/was more popular ?
Personally I did not even know who Trevor Horn was before I read about the tribute band and him joining it.
I am danish not british :-)

Excerpt of Trevor Horns work:

1982: The Look of Love – ABC
1982: Leave It – Cinema/Yes
1983: Owner of a Lonely Heart – Yes
1983: Moments in Love – The Art of Noise
1983: Relax – Frankie Goes to Hollywood
1984: Dr. Mabuse – Propaganda
1984: Welcome to the Pleasuredome – Frankie Goes to Hollywood
1984: Do They Know It’s Christmas? – Band Aid
1984: The Power of Love – Frankie Goes to Hollywood
1985: Slave to the Rhythm – Grace Jones
1989: Belfast Child – Simple Minds
1990: Crazy – Seal

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Re: Opinions on Dire Straits coverbands?
« Reply #72 on: December 09, 2024, 09:10:53 AM »
At least one of the musicians can claim to have created their own work of note.

Kind of bizarre that he was playing bass in a Dire Straits tribute band but there’s a good chance people will be listening to Trevor Horn’s records long after MK’s have been forgotten.

And why is that ?   Because you think TH is/was more popular ?
Personally I did not even know who Trevor Horn was before I read about the tribute band and him joining it.
I am danish not british :-)

There's no way of knowing what will go down in history. I always give the example of Bing Crosby, who was the biggest star in the world for decades in the 20th century, bigger than Taylor Swift or whoever, and is now completely forgotten, unless someone happens to know who it is singing White Christmas each year. :)

As I have said before, the DS legacy for whatever reason has been allowed to wither on the vine, unlike peers like Queen, Fleetwood Mac etc who have done a good job of keeping the "brand" alive. So I'd be surprised if anyone was listening to DS in 50 years time. Band Aid might still be getting played though, at least here in the UK, unless it gets cancelled.

Ultimately I won't be around to find out if I was right or not :)
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« Reply #73 on: December 09, 2024, 09:49:27 AM »
Currently Band Aid is experiencing a second youth (And exactly the fourth youth) :)
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« Reply #74 on: December 09, 2024, 10:03:13 AM »
Currently Band Aid is experiencing a second youth (And exactly the fourth youth) :)

Yes but it's also receiving criticism from some quarters about perpetuating negative stereotypes about Africa (just stating this, not looking for a debate about the topic, there are plenty of more appropriate places people can argue about it if they want to :) )

Not sure how easy it is to view outside the UK but there is currently a fantastic documentary on the BBC iPlayer about the making of Band Aid... interesting for DS fans as you get a good look inside the studios where the debut album was recorded :)
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