News: - Make sure you know the Forum Rules and Guidelines

Also check out these related sites:

Author Topic: A new book about MK  (Read 13748 times)

Offlinedustyvalentino

  • Not Quite The Movie Star
  • Founder
  • THE Sultan of Swing
  • *********
  • Posts: 7456
  • Location: Donkeytown
  • Registered: August 2008
Re: A new book about MK
« Reply #105 on: April 16, 2025, 10:25:01 AM »
Hi Richard

Was going to message today (I am still enjoying the book but life is not letting me make as much progress as I would like :) )

I bought my English translation on Amazon for Kindle.

On the section on Making Movies, there is a paragraph that begins "Okay, back down to earth". On my edition, that paragraph should lead into a quote from Ed Bicknell from a magazine interview re Tunnel of Love. Instead, the paragraph is repeated. And then, it leads straight into discussion about Romeo and Juliet without any preamble or introduction.

It seems something has gone wrong here and stuff is missing?
"You can't polish a doo-doo" - Mark Knopfler

OfflineRichard Koechli

  • Guitar George
  • i am new on here, be gentle
  • Posts: 25
  • Registered: April 2025
    • Richard Koechli
Re: A new book about MK
« Reply #106 on: April 16, 2025, 11:05:41 AM »
Oh, thank you very much for the valuable hint, dear Valentino. I see right now that there really was some kind of mistake in the English translation, the data of a whole book page (!) has been deleted. I will of course correct that – and I will also quickly post the lost page here for you in a moment, so that the story in your edition makes sense.
Until later,
Richard

Offlinedustyvalentino

  • Not Quite The Movie Star
  • Founder
  • THE Sultan of Swing
  • *********
  • Posts: 7456
  • Location: Donkeytown
  • Registered: August 2008
Re: A new book about MK
« Reply #107 on: April 16, 2025, 11:18:50 AM »
No problem!
"You can't polish a doo-doo" - Mark Knopfler

OfflineRichard Koechli

  • Guitar George
  • i am new on here, be gentle
  • Posts: 25
  • Registered: April 2025
    • Richard Koechli
Re: A new book about MK
« Reply #108 on: April 16, 2025, 11:49:50 AM »
(Here we go, Valentino, this is the short section before the deleted part:)

Okay, back down to earth. In 1980, everyone around Mark Knopfler must have sensed that an extraordinary and epochal album was in the making. When Ed Bicknell heard the song ‘Tunnel Of Love’ take shape in the studio, he is said to have said, ‘it feels like a jet plane taking off,’ as Paul Rees wrote in the 2015 CLASSIC ROCK article. Bicknell had a good instinct for music throughout his entire time as Dire Straits' manager; he was definitely not just a businessman, but also a boundless music lover, and he intuitively knew when Mark Knopfler and Dire Straits had created something great. Ed didn't even need the finished recordings to do so; he recognised the potential of a song in its very germ. In the interview with Paul Rees mentioned above, he recalls his first encounter with another piece from ‘Making Movies’:

(... and that was deleted:)

Ed Bicknell: ‘I remember Mark coming into the office and playing me the song “Romeo And Juliet” for the first time. I didn't know what to say: I just sat there staring at the floor in complete disbelief.’

This would, of course, be the perfect moment to leave ‘Tunnel Of Love’ and move on to another gem, ‘Romeo And Juliet’. Without realising it, we have actually already made a kind of ranking; you will have noticed it long ago: ‘Tunnel of Love’ is my favourite on this third album. Well, I had promised myself that I wouldn't even try to rank ‘Making Movies’ because, as I said, it's a complete work, a unit, not a series of songs. But, when writing, sometimes my plans go out the window; it's better to stay in the flow and let passion have the last word.
   Now, ‘Romeo And Juliet’ is definitely one of the greatest moments in the history of Dire Straits; the song is even more epic than ‘Tunnel Of Love’. And it is less rocky; it is basically a ballad, a love song, but what a love song! ‘A nearly six-minute rollercoaster ride through the wreckage of a broken love affair,’ writes Paul Rees in his CLASSIC ROCK article. On this rollercoaster ride, Mark basically tells the story of his failed love affair with female singer Holly Vincent in 1979; it must have been a drama for Mark, he was deeply sad for a while, and the song expresses this pain in a touching way.

(.... up to this point has been deleted)

Well, is the song as good as its reputation? I find it ….

OfflineJules

  • Honorary Knopfler fans- Editor
  • Mark F. Knopfler
  • **********
  • Posts: 13431
  • Location: Gone
  • Registered: August 2008
Re: A new book about MK
« Reply #109 on: April 16, 2025, 12:25:15 PM »
Oh, thank you very much for the valuable hint, dear Valentino. I see right now that there really was some kind of mistake in the English translation, the data of a whole book page (!) has been deleted. I will of course correct that – and I will also quickly post the lost page here for you in a moment, so that the story in your edition makes sense.
Until later,
Richard

When a corrected version would be available? I was considering buying the book but after reading there are going to be corrections, I would wait.

Come on Dusty, finish the book, we need the book fully revised, LOL
So Long

OfflineRichard Koechli

  • Guitar George
  • i am new on here, be gentle
  • Posts: 25
  • Registered: April 2025
    • Richard Koechli
Re: A new book about MK
« Reply #110 on: April 16, 2025, 12:34:17 PM »
This usually takes one to two weeks (or even longer) for the book data to be exchanged with all retailers. I will try to post a short message here when the current book update is in stores. Valentino has already read well over half of it; I don't suppose there's another technical error in it (but you never know...).

By the way, I'm happy to send the die-hard MK expert club a free, up-to-date/corrected PDF e-book (if you're interested, please send an e-mail to info@richardkoechli.ch). Of course I don't want to make money off you!

Best,
Richard

Offlinedustyvalentino

  • Not Quite The Movie Star
  • Founder
  • THE Sultan of Swing
  • *********
  • Posts: 7456
  • Location: Donkeytown
  • Registered: August 2008
Re: A new book about MK
« Reply #111 on: April 16, 2025, 12:56:09 PM »
Oh, thank you very much for the valuable hint, dear Valentino. I see right now that there really was some kind of mistake in the English translation, the data of a whole book page (!) has been deleted. I will of course correct that – and I will also quickly post the lost page here for you in a moment, so that the story in your edition makes sense.
Until later,
Richard

When a corrected version would be available? I was considering buying the book but after reading there are going to be corrections, I would wait.

Come on Dusty, finish the book, we need the book fully revised, LOL

Ha ha, I am on 60% according to the Kindle app :)
"You can't polish a doo-doo" - Mark Knopfler

Offlinedustyvalentino

  • Not Quite The Movie Star
  • Founder
  • THE Sultan of Swing
  • *********
  • Posts: 7456
  • Location: Donkeytown
  • Registered: August 2008
Re: A new book about MK
« Reply #112 on: April 20, 2025, 06:59:14 PM »
I have finished the book so here are my thoughts.

It was an enjoyable read. Richard writes in a conversational style that is easy to digest. I read the English translation and very occasionally a series of words or turn of phrase might remind you that you are reading a translated book, but not often.

Richard talks through the DS years in a personal way and I found it easy to relate to him - we both started listening to DS at an early age and went on to play music ourselves, albeit Richard is a professional and I just play in pubs for pleasure (mine, not the audience). I agreed with most of his views.

If I was being a little bit critical, I would say that the OES album and tour is covered very quickly and almost brushed over. John did the same in his book and while that is maybe understandable in his case as he did not want to piss off MK, as we have seen in posts from Chris and Ed over the last year, there is quite a bit that could be covered there.

This next comment is NOT a criticism, just my personal preference. As I mentioned, it's written in a conversational style, but it gets a little bit too conversational for me. Richard speaks about various pieces of music and then explains how it inspired him, and provides links to examples of his music and details of the many Swiss and German musicians he has worked with. This stuff isn't really of interest to me - when I pick up a book about Knopfler I want to read about Knopfler, not the author and his buddies. It's a perfectly valid decision to do it this way however but as I say, it's not for me.

I'll leave my remarks on one thought - in his analysis of Sultans, Richard pointed out something that I found quite incredible. I don't know of anyone picking up on this particular point before. I'm not going to say what it is here as Richard deserves the book sales for figuring it out in the first place, but bravo Richard, it kind of blew my mind!
"You can't polish a doo-doo" - Mark Knopfler

OfflineRobson

  • Brother in Arms
  • ********
  • Posts: 4558
  • Location: PL
  • Registered: July 2009
Re: A new book about MK
« Reply #113 on: April 20, 2025, 07:15:08 PM »
"I'll leave my remarks on one thought - in his analysis of Sultans, Richard pointed out something that I found quite incredible. I don't know of anyone picking up on this particular point before. I'm not going to say what it is here as Richard deserves the book sales for figuring it out in the first place, but bravo Richard, it kind of blew my mind!

Dusty why did you write this? Ok. I understand  ;) I'm intrigued.
I know the way I can see by the moonlight
Clear as the day
Now come on woman, come follow me home

Offlinedustyvalentino

  • Not Quite The Movie Star
  • Founder
  • THE Sultan of Swing
  • *********
  • Posts: 7456
  • Location: Donkeytown
  • Registered: August 2008
Re: A new book about MK
« Reply #114 on: April 20, 2025, 07:28:43 PM »
"I'll leave my remarks on one thought - in his analysis of Sultans, Richard pointed out something that I found quite incredible. I don't know of anyone picking up on this particular point before. I'm not going to say what it is here as Richard deserves the book sales for figuring it out in the first place, but bravo Richard, it kind of blew my mind!

Dusty why did you write this? Ok. I understand  ;) I'm intrigued.

I’ll add that I found it quite incredible, don’t blame me if you buy the book and find it completely unremarkable. :)

As a Knerd of more than three decades there wasn’t much new in the book for me but I’m not sure if I am the target audience. This was new however.
"You can't polish a doo-doo" - Mark Knopfler

OfflineRobson

  • Brother in Arms
  • ********
  • Posts: 4558
  • Location: PL
  • Registered: July 2009
Re: A new book about MK
« Reply #115 on: April 20, 2025, 08:34:39 PM »
"I'll leave my remarks on one thought - in his analysis of Sultans, Richard pointed out something that I found quite incredible. I don't know of anyone picking up on this particular point before. I'm not going to say what it is here as Richard deserves the book sales for figuring it out in the first place, but bravo Richard, it kind of blew my mind!

Dusty why did you write this? Ok. I understand  ;) I'm intrigued.

I’ll add that I found it quite incredible, don’t blame me if you buy the book and find it completely unremarkable. :)

As a Knerd of more than three decades there wasn’t much new in the book for me but I’m not sure if I am the target audience. This was new however.

I think that DS/MK fans probably already know everything, so when something surprises us, we react with disbelief. But I still don't know what I'm dealing with.
I know the way I can see by the moonlight
Clear as the day
Now come on woman, come follow me home

OfflineK-alberto

  • Camerado
  • ***
  • Posts: 162
  • Registered: August 2010
Re: A new book about MK
« Reply #116 on: April 21, 2025, 10:04:38 PM »
In the Amazon link it is possible to read a sample of the book
I've found it surprisingly good.For example, even in a chronological view, it offers many useful flash forwards in a comprehensive vision of the artist's opera. 
Seems a must read!  :clap :clap :clap

OfflineRichard Koechli

  • Guitar George
  • i am new on here, be gentle
  • Posts: 25
  • Registered: April 2025
    • Richard Koechli
Re: A new book about MK
« Reply #117 on: April 22, 2025, 12:21:43 AM »
Hi Dusty Valentino, hi MK fans,

I appreciate your feedback, Dusty Valentino, thank you very much. Yeah, what I found out about Sultans seems to have escaped everyone else's attention – it's still just a hypothesis, of course, but based on the facts of music theory, it seems very plausible to me.

Well, I researched some points very passionately and may have uncovered some connections that you die-hard MK experts weren't all aware of or conscious of (e.g. the amp story behind “Communiqué”, or various music-historical connections in general), but overall, there's a lot that you all know already, even better than I do, and a lot of it could have been explored in even greater detail. I made this clear in the book: I cannot and do not want to reinvent the MK world for you MK nerds; my role is to take the known and lesser-known facts and write an exciting story that honors MK's life's work and further deepens the relationship with his music.

Dusty Valentino puts it aptly: You are not really the target audience for this book. You need to be aware that you are perhaps 0.1% of MK's entire audience. There are millions (!) of people out there who love MK's music, who are moved by it, but who are not nearly as obsessed with the details. The vast majority of these people do not play music themselves (or only play music for themselves at home); each of these people has their own life story and their own relationship to Mark's and DS's music. I have already received numerous feedbacks from such people; for many of them, the book was and is very inspiring because it makes them aware of many new things and enables them to listen to Mark's music (or music in general) in a new way and to understand music history from a broader perspective. This is where I can make a contribution in my role; it is my task, which motivates me and gives me pleasure.

By the way, the author's pleasure also plays a role in the choice of narrative style. If a publisher or even MK himself commissions me to write a book and pays me well for it, I will adapt the concept of the book as closely as possible to the client's wishes. There are countless styles of writing, and you have to adapt your style to each newspaper and medium. I believe I could do that — BUT: If I don't receive such a commission, if I write such a book completely independently and at my own risk, then I write it the way I would most like to read it: in a relaxed and personal conversational style, with subjective references and comments, so that the author's personal connection to MK is also noticeable.

This concept is certainly not perfect for everyone, but so far I have received a lot of very positive feedback, especially on this point. There are plenty of dry and pedantic history books out there; people also want to be touched by subjectivity and personal passion. Otherwise, they can just look up the most important facts on Wikipedia.

This also means that I occasionally refer to music that is not by MK, for example (but not exclusively) music by artists from my circle of friends or music I have produced myself. However, this is kept to a minimum, perhaps 1 or 2 percent of the total content of the book, and it ALWAYS concerns music that is indirectly related to MK. And all the people I mention are not just buddies, but top-class musicians who are well known and successful in insider circles in Switzerland, Germany, Europe, and in some cases beyond. For readers from my home country, these people are all household names anyway.

And here I would like to take the liberty of offering a tiny bit of criticism to some die-hard MK nerds: if you're not interested in any of this on principle, perhaps you're lacking a certain openness. I've often noticed that some of you show significantly more interest in every MK or DS cover band (even if they're not particularly good) than in artists who are inspired by MK but then try to process this influence (and many other influences) and turn it into something of their own, with their own songs, their own nuances and ideas. For some MK nerds, there seems to be only one God of music; everyone else (especially if they're not world famous) is irrelevant, even those who inspired MK are often unimportant to nerds (because they could shake their image of God). I'm exaggerating a bit, and I can understand this exclusive enthusiasm for MK – but I assure you, there is a lot of very good music out there in the wider universe to discover. When I write about music, I always want to contribute in some small way to creating more openness to music.

But okay, I promise: I'll try to write a little less subjectively in volume 2, although my writing style probably won't change completely.  :lol

I would like to thank you all very much for your interest in the book, for your great passion for MK, for all the fantastic research and collection work, the websites, blogs, and the entire fan network. And thank you for accepting my book for what it is.

Of course, we are all waiting for a book written by MK himself. However, an autobiography is usually much more subjective – a person is often least able to describe their own story objectively. But of course, I would be extremely interested in MK's 100% subjective view. However, not everyone wants to undergo public psychotherapy – and to be honest, I'm not at all sure that MK will ever write such a book.

By the way, my book is already available (there seems to be some misunderstanding about this) in print and as an e-book; you can find all the information (and retailer links) here: https://richardkoechli.ch/en/books/mark-knopfler-volume-1

If anyone is short on cash, or if anyone (rightly) thinks, “hey, we've contributed enough to the book with our research”, I'd be happy to send you a PDF e-book – just send me an email at info@richardkoechli.ch

All the best,
Richard

OfflineK-alberto

  • Camerado
  • ***
  • Posts: 162
  • Registered: August 2010
Re: A new book about MK
« Reply #118 on: April 22, 2025, 12:10:50 PM »
... we are all waiting for a book written by MK himself.... I would be extremely interested in MK's 100% subjective view. However, not everyone wants to undergo public psychotherapy – and to be honest, I'm not at all sure that MK will ever write such a book.

Yep, couldn't say it better!

Offlinehunter v2.0

  • Camerado
  • ***
  • i am new on here, be gentle
  • Posts: 424
  • Registered: December 2023
Re: A new book about MK
« Reply #119 on: April 22, 2025, 07:18:40 PM »
Lots of great points in your last post, Richard.

 

© 2024 amarkintime.org
This is an unofficial website dedicated to Mark Knopfler developed and maintained by fans.
Top banner design by Dutchessy.
This theme is based on the SMF theme Carbonate by Bloc.
SMF 2.0.15 | SMF © 2017, Simple Machines
Simple Audio Video Embedder
Simple Audio Video Embedder
Page created in 0.032 seconds with 34 queries.