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Re: (2) Ahead of the game
« Reply #240 on: January 30, 2024, 05:59:29 PM »
Don't feel bad about it. We all grow older, and I perfectly understand that nothing will ever change about our MK, he's stopped "experimenting" since probably 2004 and solidified his formula in stone since he got his studio, and now it's been nearly 20 years of nearly identical-sounding albums and same old MK, so your lack of excitement is understandable. If Mark was granted immortality, I'm sure he'd be able to live with this formula forever with no problem, he has reached peak Knopfler.

I understand your feelings, but i tend to think that "the  problem" is a bit different.
KTGC is, in my opinion, a great album. Very different from the older ones. Mark is playing different and some songs are true gems.
Privateering is one of my fav MK's albums.

The main "problem" with the MK albums (since KTGC) is the lack of energy (except most of Privateering). The songs are flat and, to my point of view, lazy.

DTRW gets me in agony. Is the worse MK album ever.

The concerts was way worse.
There are almost the same songs tour after tour.
All songs played slower tour after tour.

I remember GF saying that the setlist was carefully well crafted during years of touring and they were very happy that MK choose the very right path.

Right Path = solidified his formula in stone

Exactly! It's not good or bad, it's just the way it is... I think you can conduct an experiment and shuffle songs from any album recorded in British Grove Studios and ask people to which album/period they belong. They are so similar that even fans can confuse it sometimes, and when a new bonus track comes out you don't really know when it was recorded as it can be whichever year you want. You can bet the new album will not be different.

Same with tours. It's at the same time a remarkable consistency, but on the other hand — a bummer. It has to be done intentionally.

One of Mark's catchphrases is "There is no formula". Of course, he's saying it regarding songwriting, but it applies to his whole career it seems. The formula is don't mess up with the formula, whatever it is. And I don't think Mark even knows what it is, he's just comfortable and doing exclusively what he wants to do, and the consistency is the byproduct of that. If he'd been under more pressure like at the beginning of DS, the results could be better.

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Re: (2) Ahead of the game
« Reply #241 on: January 30, 2024, 06:16:15 PM »
"...They are so similar that even fans can confuse it sometimes..."


Really? This has never happened to me
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Re: (2) Ahead of the game
« Reply #242 on: January 30, 2024, 06:19:39 PM »
"...They are so similar that even fans can confuse it sometimes..."


Really? This has never happened to me

I said fans, not die-hard fans :lol

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Re: (2) Ahead of the game
« Reply #243 on: January 30, 2024, 06:27:59 PM »
"...They are so similar that even fans can confuse it sometimes..."


Really? This has never happened to me

I said fans, not die-hard fans :lol

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Re: (2) Ahead of the game
« Reply #244 on: January 30, 2024, 07:24:18 PM »
You can bet the new album will not be different.

Judging the book from the cover, i bet that the new album will be another mess like DTRW. Full of GF Noises and 'bee sounding' organs.
I trully hope that the Mark's Jazzy songs has stopped in 2019.

Same with tours. It's at the same time a remarkable consistency, but on the other hand — a bummer. It has to be done intentionally.

One of Mark's catchphrases is "There is no formula". Of course, he's saying it regarding songwriting, but it applies to his whole career it seems. The formula is don't mess up with the formula, whatever it is. And I don't think Mark even knows what it is, he's just comfortable and doing exclusively what he wants to do, and the consistency is the byproduct of that. If he'd been under more pressure like at the beginning of DS, the results could be better.

Yes.
He is comfortable with his results and, as you said, there is no pressure  over him. He keeps the his formula.

There is another thing about his releases that i don't really like.
I explain:
When i started to do do a deep search about DS/MK music, at the time, there were very few "extra material" about him. There were the Golden Heart Demos and, about 2002, some live performances and bonus material from the RPD singles/special editions...

People like me, who have listened every unreleased/unnoficial/b-side.. material from DS/MK, wanted to hear new songs, even if these songs were poor or weak songs. Just for the fact to hear new material from MK.

The magic about Mark's music was that an artist with his magnitude has few disposal material. He is a recluse guy, with brings more and more curiosity about his work.
Albums like MM or LOG had 7 and 5 songs there, half of them are anthems for us.
Half of DS's material are gold. This is huge.

Seems to me that, the MK's production team discover that urgeness about his 'non releaseable' material.

What happens were, since the Get Lucky release, they started to release almost anything that Mark recorded since then.

So, there are too many songs from album since then.
The extra/deluxe/diamond... material is released together with the album, what is, in my opinion, a wrong strategy. It makes his new releases do loose strenght.

If the official ambum could have 12 well fitted and crafted songs, and the fillers was released months later as (Sessions for Album X)... well. Problem solved.

They could put all the trash inside these 'Sessions Releases'.

I coud imagine the Privteering album with 12 songs max and the Blues songs released months later (i know this was in MK's mind back then)

Even DTRW could be a great album if cutted by half.

I listened to n YT episode about DTRW and the host said: "Mark Knopfler trows away what could be as absolutely great album if there as very less songs on it"

Totally agree.

I hope that he starts to release EP's here and there from now.

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Re: (2) Ahead of the game
« Reply #245 on: January 30, 2024, 08:12:39 PM »
Thematically, we can compare this song to "Every Heart In The Room" right?
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Re: (2) Ahead of the game
« Reply #246 on: January 30, 2024, 08:35:00 PM »
Thematically, we can compare this song to "Every Heart In The Room" right?

Don't think so.

Every heart in the room, for me is about someone that is a great person, a beautiful soul, that everyone loves or would love.

Actually I always thought it was about his daughter Issy who is starting his career as actress.
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Re: (2) Ahead of the game
« Reply #247 on: January 30, 2024, 08:38:24 PM »
It's a pity that we rarely talk about lyrics because we have different views.

"Actually I always thought it was about his daughter Issy who is starting his career as actress"

I like it too, but you have complicated my view of this song jbaent  ;)

« Last Edit: January 30, 2024, 08:51:04 PM by Robson »
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Re: (2) Ahead of the game
« Reply #248 on: January 30, 2024, 09:52:08 PM »
Yes.
He is comfortable with his results and, as you said, there is no pressure  over him. He keeps the his formula.

The release strategy makes absolutely no sense and is so obviously money-grabbing that honestly, I feel ashamed about everyone involved in this, starting from Mark down to any minion just doing orders. What a stupid idea to release 10 versions with different songs just to have fans buying all the versions.

I definitely agree about quality over quantity. Dire Straits only had 60 songs, now in his solo career Mark has released close to 200 songs already. DS existed from 1977 to 1993−1995, Mark's solo career is from 1995 to this day, so his solo career existed for significantly less than double the time DS existed. Yet, he released significantly more than double the amount of songs.

But who's gonna say to him about it? Nobody. That happens when you have total control. You don't have anyone to say that your album cover is asymmetrical or banal, that the number of songs is probably too much, and that you probably don't need a double album. Mark is in total artistic freedom, which is the dream of any artist, and yet it's the enemy at the same time.

Very one-sided view of things, like a country with a single party, you only get a single view. Mark's one. Especially while having a co-producer that 100% agrees with you. So yes, not all fine and dandy in Mark's kingdom as far as fans are concerned, however for him — it's heaven, freedom, success and enjoyment. When Mark "suffered" instead, we undoubtedly got better treatment as fans.

By "suffering" I mean having a co-producer and manager who doesn't agree with you 100%, the need to establish your solo career and dream of dropping "The Voice and Guitar of Dire Straits" sticker from your albums for the rest of your life, in which Mark succeeded to 100%, can't argue with that. But those who suffer in this case, are us — fans. Deal with it 8)

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Re: (2) Ahead of the game
« Reply #249 on: January 30, 2024, 11:07:51 PM »
Ok, that's a shame.

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Re: (2) Ahead of the game
« Reply #250 on: January 30, 2024, 11:15:41 PM »
It's a pity that we rarely talk about lyrics because we have different views.

"Actually I always thought it was about his daughter Issy who is starting his career as actress"

I like it too, but you have complicated my view of this song jbaent  ;)

Mark himself is not a fan of discussing the lyrics, and on Guy's forum Guy famously (I mean famously in close circles) turns down any questions regarding lyrics.

Turns out that for Mark lyrics are personal and not something he likes to elaborate on, so naturally, everybody follows suit.

I enjoy the poetry and music of words more because I'm not a native speaker like a lot of people here.

If you want, there is always a ton of room for interpretation, but that's the idea.

Some things are obvious, some things are vague. Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug.

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Re: (2) Ahead of the game
« Reply #251 on: January 30, 2024, 11:28:08 PM »
About the video clip of this song...

Yesterday Guy said that the single was chosen by the record company, also he said before than these scenes were filmed a year ago, so, I think they must had mimed a certain amount of songs just in case any of them could had been the single.

They could have done like John Illsley's last album, VIII, in which the videos of the four singles were recorded in a single location, then the driving single of the entire album was the second, It"s a Long Way Back. But , as already said in other posts, I really like Ahead of the Game!!! :)

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Re: (2) Ahead of the game
« Reply #252 on: January 30, 2024, 11:42:00 PM »
"...They are so similar that even fans can confuse it sometimes..."


Really? This has never happened to me

Follow the Ribbon? Was it a Tracker bonus? Or Privateering? Dunno!
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Re: (2) Ahead of the game
« Reply #253 on: January 30, 2024, 11:43:09 PM »
"...They are so similar that even fans can confuse it sometimes..."


Really? This has never happened to me

Follow the Ribbon? Was it a Tracker bonus? Or Privateering? Dunno!

What about Time In The Sun? Also known as TITS?

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Re: (2) Ahead of the game
« Reply #254 on: January 30, 2024, 11:47:05 PM »
"...They are so similar that even fans can confuse it sometimes..."


Really? This has never happened to me

Follow the Ribbon? Was it a Tracker bonus? Or Privateering? Dunno!

What about Time In The Sun? Also known as TITS?

That was an exclusive on The Very Breast of Mark Knopfler.
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