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Re: (2) Ahead of the game
« Reply #120 on: January 25, 2024, 08:06:00 PM »
I have listened to the song several times over the last two days, and sorry, but it does nothing for me.  Lyrically and musically it just falls flat.  Sounds like a b-side.  I'm sure (I hope?) there will be better tracks on the album.

The whole "life of a musician" subject matter is wearing thin for me, also.

I have the same impression since first listening.

In an excellent MK record, this one would be left out.

In a very good MK record, this song would be a track in the bonus lp in the deluxe box.

In a good MK record, this song would be a filler, a song you add because you have nothing better.

I'm not saying is bad, I'm saying is very plain and despite is nice, is nothing to call home about.

I truly hope the rest of the record and bonus tracks are better.

And it's the second track on the album. A very important spot I think, earlier occupied with songs like "Basil", "Haul Away", "Boom, Like That", "The Scaffolder's Wife", "On Every Street", etc. And now the second tracks are "Back on the Dance Floor" and "Ahead of the Game". Abandon hope all ye who enter here.

When I listen  to  other people's albums, I often think that they sound so good .. Dylan's albums Time Out Of Mind, Love And Theft and the older Oh Mercy exceptionally good, and many others. It is done with being a given, total naturally and no fuzz about it. With Mark and Guy, this fixation on making the best, highest quality sounding record and all this ado appears inhibited and unprofessional although they wish to appear the opposite. It is true that I never find the high recording quality that Guy always mentioned apart from maybe in Tracker and even the new vinyls from STP and TRD.

It seems there is a huge difference between the work and the ears of the likes of Daniel Lanois and Chuck Ainlay compared to Guy Fletcher. It is almost a pity just thinking what could have happened with the last albums in hands of a "real" producer.

All Dire Straits albums sound MUCH better than anything from British Grove. I don't know what they are doing wrong. Maybe it is just my hearing.

LE
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Re: (2) Ahead of the game
« Reply #121 on: January 25, 2024, 08:10:23 PM »

When I listen  to  other people's albums, I often think that they sound so good .. Dylan's albums Time Out Of Mind, Love And Theft and the older Oh Mercy exceptionally good, and many others. It is done with being a given, total naturally and no fuzz about it. With Mark and Guy, this fixation on making the best, highest quality sounding record and all this ado appears inhibited and unprofessional although they wish to appear the opposite. It is true that I never find the high recording quslity that Guy slways mentioned apart from Tracker and even the new vinyls from STP and TRD.

It seems there isxa huge difference between the work and the ears of the likes of Daniel Lanois and Chuck Ainlay compared to Guy Fletcher. It is almost a pity just thinking what could have happened with the last albums in hands of a "real" producer.

All Dire Straits albums sound MUCH better than anything from British Grove. I don't know what they are doing wrong. Maybe it is just my hearing.

LE

Agreed!

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Re: (2) Ahead of the game
« Reply #122 on: January 25, 2024, 08:14:52 PM »
"All Dire Straits albums sound MUCH better than anything from British Grove"

I can not agree. Not all. Love Over Gold, Brothers in Arms and On Every Street are recorded too quietly. Remastered versions too
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Re: (2) Ahead of the game
« Reply #123 on: January 25, 2024, 08:21:09 PM »
"All Dire Straits albums sound MUCH better than anything from British Grove"

I can not agree. Not all. Love Over Gold, Brothers in Arms and On Every Street are recorded too quietly. Remastered versions too

Agreed!
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Re: (2) Ahead of the game
« Reply #124 on: January 25, 2024, 08:22:27 PM »
"All Dire Straits albums sound MUCH better than anything from British Grove"

I can not agree. Not all. Love Over Gold, Brothers in Arms and On Every Street are recorded too quietly. Remastered versions too

The opposite is true. They are perfect. Since then, almost everything is recorded too loud. Love Over Gold has reference standard.

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Re: (2) Ahead of the game
« Reply #125 on: January 25, 2024, 08:30:17 PM »
It's Newcastle :)

I had my doubts if was London or not.
But, it reflects how poor is the album cover.
Could be any bridge.
Or any road, like DTRW
Thats a shame as I think t's a great album cover and its very distinctly Newcastle! London does not have bridges like those across the Thames!
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Re: (2) Ahead of the game
« Reply #126 on: January 25, 2024, 08:31:56 PM »

When I listen  to  other people's albums, I often think that they sound so good .. Dylan's albums Time Out Of Mind, Love And Theft and the older Oh Mercy exceptionally good, and many others. It is done with being a given, total naturally and no fuzz about it. With Mark and Guy, this fixation on making the best, highest quality sounding record and all this ado appears inhibited and unprofessional although they wish to appear the opposite. It is true that I never find the high recording quslity that Guy slways mentioned apart from Tracker and even the new vinyls from STP and TRD.

It seems there isxa huge difference between the work and the ears of the likes of Daniel Lanois and Chuck Ainlay compared to Guy Fletcher. It is almost a pity just thinking what could have happened with the last albums in hands of a "real" producer.

All Dire Straits albums sound MUCH better than anything from British Grove. I don't know what they are doing wrong. Maybe it is just my hearing.

LE

Agreed!

Yeah, amen to that... I know some of us are pretty harsh on Guy sometimes, however, Mark is also a producer, and Guy just seems to be looking in the same direction (and never looking back of course). The producer dictates how the record will sound, that's why we had a notorious "wall of sound" back then and other good or bad techniques.

With Mark and Guy, it really feels like a never-ending race to the best-sounding record, and everybody who recorded something in their life knows how damn hard it is to record something flawlessly. Dire Straits records are so different because they were recorded everywhere. Almost every album is done in a new studio. Basing Street, Compass Point, Power Station, AIR Montserrat, AIR Studios Oxford Street.

The problem with all post-BG albums is that nothing really changes. Musicians are all the same, guitars are the same, and the studio is the same. The only difference was Chuck Ainlay co-producing and then switching to Guy co-producing. How it affected Mark's albums is up for discussion, but judging by A LOT of complaints it doesn't seem like it affected it in a good way. It's remarkable how having your studio can be such an advantage and disadvantage at the same time.

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Re: (2) Ahead of the game
« Reply #127 on: January 25, 2024, 08:33:48 PM »
Your last paragraph put it perfectly well and is more or less what I tried to say. Thanks.

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Re: (2) Ahead of the game
« Reply #128 on: January 25, 2024, 08:52:04 PM »
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Re: (2) Ahead of the game
« Reply #129 on: January 25, 2024, 08:55:47 PM »
Your last paragraph put it perfectly well and is more or less what I tried to say. Thanks.

LE

But I answered your post, so thank you. And speaking of Guy, the fact he's always bragging he never had a single argument with MK also always baffled me. How you can be creative with somebody who always agrees with you on anything? I think the best examples of creativity in history came when personalities would clash, disagree with each other, battle for something, and then produce a perfect "in-between" compromise with the best of both worlds, which is a win-win for everyone.

I would want more variety from Mark. Change the studio. Change the producer. Change the musicians. Change the designer. "Done With Bonaparte" with Paul Moore on bass and "Done With Bonaparte" with Glenn Worf on bass are TWO DIFFERENT SONGS. "Sailing To Philadelphia" with Dudley Phillips on bass and "Sailing To Philadelphia" with Glenn Worf are two different songs, and it's just one instrument.

You can't believe how changing musicians, producers and studios can affect the whole thing. And keeping everything the same can be perceived either as a remarkable achievement of consistency or just being lazy and suffering from having too much freedom, having your studio and a trusty co-producer who agrees on everything you want to do and you agree with everything he wants to do.

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Re: (2) Ahead of the game
« Reply #130 on: January 25, 2024, 08:57:24 PM »
Someone's not walking very well....

https://youtube.com/shorts/miWcAmIcLbY?feature=shared

It gives me pain to see it. He is having pain constantly it seems. And he looks so sad these days. I wish the photographer would have shouted "cheeeese"....

I like his coat though.

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Re: (2) Ahead of the game
« Reply #131 on: January 25, 2024, 09:16:52 PM »
While I'm writing all this essentially criticising Mark, I can't help but think how it's a part of the character. We love him because he's who he is, with all his decisions, good or bad. His life is an amazing story of recognising your talent, overcoming difficulties, overcoming fame, and turning dire straits into Dire Straits. He's a human and humans make mistakes, it's what we all are very good at. All this "keeping the formula" stuff, keeping the musicians, doing everything with the same sound and same approach might not be the best way to do it, but it's Mark Knopfler's way.

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Re: (2) Ahead of the game
« Reply #132 on: January 25, 2024, 09:18:35 PM »
Someone's not walking very well....

https://youtube.com/shorts/miWcAmIcLbY?feature=shared

It gives me pain to see it. He is having pain constantly it seems. And he looks so sad these days. I wish the photographer would have shouted "cheeeese"....

I like his coat though.

LE

Yes, so very sad to see isn't it LE...The coat is dapper, and I absolutely love his 'Bakers boys' cap!
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Re: (2) Ahead of the game
« Reply #133 on: January 25, 2024, 09:23:29 PM »
...but it's Mark Knopfler's way"

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Re: (2) Ahead of the game
« Reply #134 on: January 25, 2024, 09:24:17 PM »
Someone's not walking very well....

https://youtube.com/shorts/miWcAmIcLbY?feature=shared

It gives me pain to see it. He is having pain constantly it seems. And he looks so sad these days. I wish the photographer would have shouted "cheeeese"....

I like his coat though.

LE

Sadly, people age and Mark is no different. It isn’t really any of our business. Whatever may or may not be ailing him, the fact is that he is still enjoying writing his songs, getting together with his band and recording them. And still doing it extremely effectively. He was certainly in good spirits at the Christie’s interview. As long as he is content in what he is doing, then that is the most important thing.

 

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