New DS Live Box Set, 3rd November 2023!

[onceupon84]

Do you guys think that the tomorrow premiere of Alchemy Video on YT containg the missings songs? I hope that.. if happens i will be very happy..

NO. It is 1:27:23 long.

[Jules]

Do you guys think that the tomorrow premiere of Alchemy Video on YT containg the missings songs? I hope that.. if happens i will be very happy..

No, the text of the advertizing says it's going to be the current released version.

[Jules]

As far as I was aware On The Night came from Nimes and Rotterdam. I was not aware that the Paris show had been recorded (I forgot), but this also makes sense as Neil Dorfsman came out before Nimes and they probably recorded Paris as a dry run to test the results before the Nimes shows.

In the documentary from Canal Plus France, 24 heures, about the concerts in Paris it can be seen the mobile recording while they record:

https://youtu.be/K83cqmlN4gI?si=t_5l38g04MM5exgM&t=2344

Those images starts at 39.06

Also I remember reading in a Tour Itinerary that Paris shows were marked as shows being recorded.

[Jules]

As far as I was aware On The Night came from Nimes and Rotterdam. I was not aware that the Paris show had been recorded (I forgot), but this also makes sense as Neil Dorfsman came out before Nimes and they probably recorded Paris as a dry run to test the results before the Nimes shows.

Here (at 46.52) you can see John Illsley just after the concert in a car, I guess that with his son, talking about the show being recorded and also makes a comment about the drums.

https://youtu.be/K83cqmlN4gI?si=f08RhdWwa0MyEiqk&t=2812

[herlock]

It seems that none of the new tracks are from Paris, whereas Paris is advertised in the notes (yet another mistake).

It seems that they intended to use Paris at first, but then only realized that the tapes got currupted, without updating the notes.

Since PONO and Iron Hand were spread at the beginning and at the end of Paris residency, it would find it hard to believe that only some of the recordings were lost - we would have at least one PONO! They must have been lost in totality. A real pity...

[Chris W]

The comment about 'nervousness on the drums' was 110% bollocks.
And this goes back to my earlier post where I remember being mystified that John asked me if I was nervous playing Madison Square Garden (no I wasn't), when 18months earlier I had played two shows at the much, much bigger Giants Stadium outside New York.
I think when people can't put their finger on any specific issue they start talking about 'the drums' because it's unquantifiable, unmeasurable.

[Marnix]

So correct me if I am wrong these are the recording dates for On The Night & Encores.

1.   Calling Elvis         Rotterdam june 1
2.   Walk Of Life         Rotterdam may 30
3.   Heavy Fuel         Nimes may 20
4.   Romeo And Juliet      Nimes may 20
5.   Private Investigations        Nimes may 20
6.   Sultans Of Swing *      Rotterdam, may 30
7.   Fade To Black *         Nimes, may 21
8.   Your Latest Trick      Nimes may 20
9.   When it comes to you *    Nimes may  21
10.   I Think I Love You Too Much*   Rotterdam may 30
11.   You And Your Friend      Rotterdam may 31
12.   On Every Street         Rotterdam june 1
13.   Two Young Lovers*      Rotterdam may 31
14.   Tunnel Of Love*              Rotterdam may 30
15.   Telegraph Road*      Nimes, may 21
16.   Money For Nothing      Rotterdam, june 1
17.   Brothers In Ams         Rotterdam june 1

Encores
1.   Your Latest Trick       Nimes may 20
2.   The Bug                 Nimes may 20
3.   Solid Rock                 Rotterdam june 1
4.   Wild Theme         Rotterdam june 1

[Dutchessy]

@vape68/markforever

I think you are way too harsh now on Guy's forum... maybe you should give him a break... It's getting really cringe and awkward.. I'm feeling for you btw, that you are so critical and disappointed and can't enjoy these beautiful OTN tracks.

Let it go and try to enjoy...

[Dutchessy]

So correct me if I am wrong these are the recording dates for On The Night & Encores.

1.   Calling Elvis         Rotterdam june 1
2.   Walk Of Life         Rotterdam may 30
3.   Heavy Fuel         Nimes may 20
4.   Romeo And Juliet      Nimes may 20
5.   Private Investigations        Nimes may 20
6.   Sultans Of Swing *      Rotterdam, may 30
7.   Fade To Black *         Nimes, may 21
8.   Your Latest Trick      Nimes may 20
9.   When it comes to you *    Nimes may  21
10.   I Think I Love You Too Much*   Rotterdam may 30
11.   You And Your Friend      Rotterdam may 31
12.   On Every Street         Rotterdam june 1
13.   Two Young Lovers*      Rotterdam may 31
14.   Tunnel Of Love*              Rotterdam may 30
15.   Telegraph Road*      Nimes, may 21
16.   Money For Nothing      Rotterdam, june 1
17.   Brothers In Ams         Rotterdam june 1

Encores
1.   Your Latest Trick       Nimes may 20
2.   The Bug                 Nimes may 20
3.   Solid Rock                 Rotterdam june 1
4.   Wild Theme         Rotterdam june 1

On FB i saw this yesterday:

1. Calling Elvis - Nimes 21.05.1992 (mixed a lot)
2. Walk Of Life - Rotterdam 30.05.1992
3. Heavy Fuel - Nimes 20.05.1992
4. Romeo And Juliet - Nimes 20.05.1992
5. The Bug - Nimes 20.05.1992
6. Private Investigations - Nimes 20.05.1992
7. Sultans Of Swing - Rotterdam 30.05.1992
8. Your Latest Trick - Nimes 20.05.1992
9. Fade To Black - Nimes 21.05.1992
10. When It comes To You - Nimes 21.05.1992
11. I Think I Love You Too Much - Rotterdam 30.05.1992
12. You And Your Friend - Rotterdam 31.05.1992
13. On Every Street - Nimes 20.05.1992
14. Two Young Lovers - Rotterdam 31.05.1992
15. Tunnel Of Love - Rotterdam - 30.05.1992
16. Telegraph Road - Nimes 21.05.1992
17. Money For Nothing - Rotterdam 31.05.1992
18. Brothers In Arms - Rotterdam 31.05.1992
19. Solid Rock - Rotterdam 31.05.1992
20. Local Heroes/Whild Theme - Rotterdam 30.05.1992

Don't know which is correct, but i don't see any 1 june on that list.

[Chris W]

It makes sense to match the live album recording with the On The Night video. You wouldn't work hard to make the live album audio as perfect as possible, then have to do it all over again for the live DVD. You'd take the album audio and match it as close as possible to the filmed venue.

[Marnix]

@Dutchessy
The dates for june 1 are based on what i found on Jeroen his website "On Every Bootleg"

[dustyvalentino]

The comment about 'nervousness on the drums' was 110% bollocks.

Lolz. As a middle aged male nerd I've been on forums about music and films for half my life where people criticise the performers (and yes, I've been critical myself, no doubt unfairly on occasion).

This is he first time I've ever seen a performer come back and stand their ground, good for you Chris!

[Chris W]

Well a lot of stuff was repaired when they mixed On The Night - except the drums.
I know the Basel show (direct broadcast) is a loved video by many.
John is ill advised criticising anyone in the band on camera, especially when he repeats multiple times "great show".
This sort of illustrates why the band had multiple sidemen over the years. You bust a gut to enable what many perceive as a peerless live show, then get picked on in an off the cuff remark afterwards.

[rmarques821]

Well a lot of stuff was repaired when they mixed On The Night - except the drums.
I know the Basel show (direct broadcast) is a loved video by many.
John is ill advised criticising anyone in the band on camera, especially when he repeats multiple times "great show".
This sort of illustrates why the band had multiple sidemen over the years. You bust a gut to enable what many perceive as a peerless live show, then get picked on in an off the cuff remark afterwards.

I always got the feeling that John was never very enthusiatic about you joining in for the tour, for some reason. I remember watching him talking about it on the MTV Special 1991 and he just shrugs his shoulders and says "OK, he's on board".

[Chris W]

Again, it's nonsense.
They could pick anyone from the UK drumming community.
They were disappointed that neither Porcaro or Katche agreed to do the tour.
I actually turned down the DS gig three times because I left McCartney to concentrate on studio work, but they kept chasing me.
You cannot go on a multi-million dollar tour for 14 months with a drummer you don't want to play with.
The actual tour was cancelled by 6 months due to the first gulf war, so they had time then to audition other drummers and find someone they preferred to me.
THEY DIDN'T!!!