On The Night - Ridiculously Bad???

[Jules]

It would be nice if they release a box with all the Rotterdam and Nimes recordings without touching the audio further than mixing, and I would even not mix it if the balance is ok, so we could have realistic recordings of that tour.

[Robson]

It would be nice if they release a box with all the Rotterdam and Nimes recordings without touching the audio further than mixing, and I would even not mix it if the balance is ok, so we could have realistic recordings of that tour.

That's true, but I'd rather they do something about Brothers In Arms tour.

[rmarques821]

It's not ridiculously bad, but it's also not perfect. It's an OK live album, I suppose. I sometimes put it on to create ambience on cold, rainy saturday nights.

[Robson]

It's not ridiculously bad, but it's also not perfect. It's an OK live album, I suppose. I sometimes put it on to create ambience on cold, rainy saturday nights.

It was also a rainy evening  I don't remember whether in Rotterdam or Nimes.

[Marnix]

I was lucky I have seen one of the Rotterdam shows which was used for the OTN album. The version of “you and your friend”  gives me still shivers. Although they didn’t released the full set I was really happy with the release because I was there.
And yes I also play the SBD bootlegs of Basel and Nimes if I want to listen a full show. Although it’s still a shame that songs like “Planet of New Orleans”, “I think I love you too much” for example never got a proper release

[Eddie Fox]

My main problem with OTN, musically speaking, is the drumming. Chris Whitten is a great drummer but didn’t do a good job there. Too much sax too. On the other hand Mark’s playing was unbelievable. The editing is embarrassing sometimes, yes, but doesn’t bother me as much as the CW duo.

[Knut]

My main problem with OTN, musically speaking, is the drumming. Chris Whitten is a great drummer but didn’t do a good job there. Too much sax too. On the other hand Mark’s playing was unbelievable. The editing is embarrassing sometimes, yes, but doesn’t bother me as much as the CW duo.

From my understanding, it's Mark who didn't do a good job with the drumming as it was his decision that CW did it the way he did.

[JF]

I don't actively dislike OTN, but I'd much rather see a full show with some flaws than what we actually got in the end.

I'll give Mark some points for improvisations here and there, regardless of which tour we're talking about, but I've never had the feeling he has played for the audience. It's more like "this is my job, it's what I do"-standard set - on to the next town. So, I end up listening to the first show in Dublin more often than most others, because it actually has that rare "we're playing for you guys tonight"-feel, with some rarities in the setlist.

When even the speeches are the same and mostly just bollocks anyway (Walk of life and Heavy fuel come to mind), it's kind of a turn off. It's like saying "you're the cutest ever" to all the girls you meet.

exactly

[dustyvalentino]

Regarding the speeches, I think we need to cut MK some slack.

I think you will find most artists are the same, these shows are designed for the people who attend one show and one show only, not get a lifers who attend multiple shows and listen to recordings over and over.

Coming up with “banter” is a complete nightmare, so when you find some lines you think are ok you stick with them.

I played a gig recently and the promoter came up at the interval and asked me to tell more jokes between songs, it filled me with absolute dread.

[JF]

It would be nice if they release a box with all the Rotterdam and Nimes recordings without touching the audio further than mixing, and I would even not mix it if the balance is ok, so we could have realistic recordings of that tour.

That's true, but I'd rather they do something about Brothers In Arms tour.

+1000

The only one tour that didn't have any official "physical" release

every over tout has at least one song released offficialy

- firsts tours have live at the BBC (I don't count 78 and 79 as separate tours)
- 80 tour has live at the BBC (just one song TOL, but there is one)
- 82-83 tour has Alchemy
- 91-92 tour has OTN
- 96 has ANIL
- 01 has TRD special edition (few songs yes, but there are at least)
- 02 has TRD special edition (few songs yes, but there are at least)
- 06 has RLRR

but absolutely no one offcial recording from BIA tour, released "properly"

I know there is that USB stick with the National replica... 

and also 2005, and later tours have USB sticks


and OK, 2008 don't have any release either

[dustyvalentino]

96 also had the bonus disc on the SOS compilation.

[superval99]

Regarding the speeches, I think we need to cut MK some slack.

I think you will find most artists are the same, these shows are designed for the people who attend one show and one show only, not get a lifers who attend multiple shows and listen to recordings over and over.

Coming up with “banter” is a complete nightmare, so when you find some lines you think are ok you stick with them.

I played a gig recently and the promoter came up at the interval and asked me to tell more jokes between songs, it filled me with absolute dread.

I have seen McCusker, McGoldrick & Doyle many times and John tells the same jokes almost every time and Mike winks at the audience knowingly!   

[Robson]

"and OK, 2008 don't have any release either"

Exactly! I often wonder why there is nothing from Kill To Get Crimson tour.

[quizzaciously]

My main problem with OTN, musically speaking, is the drumming. Chris Whitten is a great drummer but didn’t do a good job there. Too much sax too. On the other hand Mark’s playing was unbelievable. The editing is embarrassing sometimes, yes, but doesn’t bother me as much as the CW duo.

From my understanding, it's Mark who didn't do a good job with the drumming as it was his decision that CW did it the way he did.

Chris Whitten though turned out to be a terrific historian who took a million photos of that tour, his Instagram is filled with them: https://www.instagram.com/chriswhittenmusic/

He also debunked some misunderstandings about the tour like wrong setlists listed on the internet and overall a great chap.

[JF]

96 also had the bonus disc on the SOS compilation.

Yes I forgot that one