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Author Topic: Money for nothing best of in 2 LP format  (Read 30541 times)

Offlinekoobaa

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Re: Money for nothing best of in 2 LP format
« Reply #135 on: June 17, 2022, 04:46:25 PM »
Very misleading. I don't have a hard copy of the album but do they provide any info on these alternate takes/versions in liner notes or is it a copy from 1988?
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Re: Money for nothing best of in 2 LP format
« Reply #136 on: June 17, 2022, 05:31:07 PM »
The TR mix is an embarrassment. The best song he's ever written, and its legacy just gets destroyed. All the build-up magic is thrown away by those last 15 seconds.

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Re: Money for nothing best of in 2 LP format
« Reply #137 on: June 17, 2022, 05:32:27 PM »
Hello Dutchessy and kooba.
Topic TR version on new 2-LP-Set.
Ok, my first experience in listening to that version, i come to that conclusion that the song doesn´t sound like a live-version, because in the quiet parts of that epic song, there is no audience-background noise listenable.  So it must be a studio-version. At the end of that song i have recognized some different guitarparts and than the song ended very fast. It sounds to me, like a fast fadeout, but that is my personal expection. Portobello belle is a live version. Money for nothing and Brothers in arms are shorter versions.

Topic the whole release.
Hello kooba, ok, everybody can value that release differently, but to me it is more an "updated version" to the original 1988 single LP-version, than a 1:1 copy.  But there are some significant differences between the known releases.
The first vinyl release in 1988 was a single LP-Album and NOT a 2-LP-Set. Telegraph road is missing in general on the vinyl version, but it is included as a LIVE-Version on the CD-Version from 1988. The japanese CD-Version features Solid rock as a bonus-track. Solid rock is also included on the Japanese Vinyl single LP-version, but there is also no Telegraph road included.

There are some new liner notes on the lyric-picture-sheet: 
Remastered by Bob Ludwig at Gateway Mastering, Cut by Bernie Grundman at Bernie Grundmans Mastering. Portobello Belle is mixed by Guy Fletcher. Reissue Artwork: Matt Read @ Combustion Ltd. Mark Knopfler is managed by Paul Crockford, assisted by Sherry Elbe at Crockford management. Reissue A&R: Jason Day & Lisa Power. Tape Archivist & Transfers: Dan Abela.

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Re: Money for nothing best of in 2 LP format
« Reply #138 on: June 17, 2022, 05:38:29 PM »
And who did the Telegraph Road mix?  ::)
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Re: Money for nothing best of in 2 LP format
« Reply #139 on: June 17, 2022, 05:41:47 PM »
I don´t know. sorry, but in case of the TR mix, there are no further information.
This listed guy, called Dan Abela who is credited as a so called "tape-archivist and transfer", could have more information, because he could be involved in the record-producing process allready.
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Re: Money for nothing best of in 2 LP format
« Reply #140 on: June 17, 2022, 05:44:33 PM »
Thanks Klaus for the info on the liner notes. Don't get me wrong, I am excited to hear these new versions. I just think it's unprofessional to release this stuff without proper information.
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Re: Money for nothing best of in 2 LP format
« Reply #141 on: June 17, 2022, 05:47:03 PM »
Hi kooba. Yes, you are right. We need some more background information on the used audio-material, wich so called takes, or alternate versions had been used, and wich persons are responsible for that release or which persons are involved in the production processes.
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Re: Money for nothing best of in 2 LP format
« Reply #142 on: June 17, 2022, 05:50:58 PM »
Picture this. In case of alternate Elvis Presley-song versions, there is much better musical research from the past till today. There are many releases on CD or Vinyl with clear defined takes, or versions of songs from known studio-sessions. They are credited for example: "Hound Dog, unreleased Take Number-3, 1956" or something like that. There is more transparence in rare and alternative versions of known Elvis songs.
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Re: Money for nothing best of in 2 LP format
« Reply #143 on: June 17, 2022, 05:59:46 PM »
My example with the unreleased alternative song-versions of Elvis Presley, which are known to the fans and listeners is an illustration of my thaughts in case of unreleased take-versions of DS or MK-songs.
How many Telegraph road versions are on MKs studio-reels in his archive for example, or how many variants of MFN, BIA, SOS, exist really on various master-tapes or acetate-records ?? That is important and thrilling to know, to us fans of recorded DS and MK material.
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Re: Money for nothing best of in 2 LP format
« Reply #144 on: June 17, 2022, 06:17:43 PM »
Much less important than the version identification going on on this thread, but maybe worth mentioning that on Qobuz (the best of the streaming services), the album plays at 192/24 - the first time most of this stuff has been available in high res digital. (Even if Hunter will tell you it’s irrelevant.)

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Re: Money for nothing best of in 2 LP format
« Reply #145 on: June 17, 2022, 06:52:58 PM »
Much less important than the version identification going on on this thread, but maybe worth mentioning that on Qobuz (the best of the streaming services), the album plays at 192/24 - the first time most of this stuff has been available in high res digital. (Even if Hunter will tell you it’s irrelevant.)
I too will say that.
I will add, be careful that the 192khz ultrasounds don't destroy your speakers :-)

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Re: Money for nothing best of in 2 LP format
« Reply #146 on: June 17, 2022, 06:55:42 PM »
The TR mix is an embarrassment. The best song he's ever written, and its legacy just gets destroyed. All the build-up magic is thrown away by those last 15 seconds.
Is it THAT bad ?  ???

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Re: Money for nothing best of in 2 LP format
« Reply #147 on: June 17, 2022, 07:26:17 PM »
That's true. Sultans is a different version.
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Re: Money for nothing best of in 2 LP format
« Reply #148 on: June 17, 2022, 07:35:36 PM »
The TR mix is an embarrassment. The best song he's ever written, and its legacy just gets destroyed. All the build-up magic is thrown away by those last 15 seconds.
Is it THAT bad ?  ???

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Re: Money for nothing best of in 2 LP format
« Reply #149 on: June 17, 2022, 07:37:57 PM »
Telegraph Road (Live Remix)  time: 13.08
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