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OfflineMagicElliott

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Best musician in Mark’s latest band
« on: April 06, 2022, 03:41:37 PM »
Thought this might be an interesting discussion.

Going by the latest line up, who do you think is the best musician? I have to say, I suspect it’s NOT Mark. I having a sneaking suspicion that at least some of the band might vote for Jim Cox-purely cuz Guy refers to him as the best musician he’s ever worked with.

For my money, I half suspect it might be one of the Folkies. Something tells me Mike above John but I’m not sure why I think that.

Any thoughts?

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Re: Best musician in Mark’s latest band
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2022, 04:47:29 PM »
I voted for Glenn Worf. He understands the soul of the songs. Brillant musician.

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Re: Best musician in Mark’s latest band
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2022, 05:08:26 PM »
I was glad when Danny Cummings returned to the band but the whole band is fantastic.
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Re: Best musician in Mark’s latest band
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2022, 06:05:11 PM »
If we are talking about the best musician, does that include songwriting?   If that is the case then it has to be Mark.  Not only does he write all of the lyrics, but the music too, not to mention his guitar-playing and voice.  So it has to be MK for me, even though the rest of the band are are fantastic individually. 
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Re: Best musician in Mark’s latest band
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2022, 06:22:53 PM »
In a poll to vote the best musician in Mark's band, it's not fair to include Mark. Doing that, makes this poll a total nonsense.
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Re: Best musician in Mark’s latest band
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2022, 06:35:21 PM »
In a poll to vote the best musician in Mark's band, it's not fair to include Mark. Doing that, makes this poll a total nonsense.

I tend to agree with you, jbaent.  Perhaps it would have been better to just have the rest of the band in the poll - it would be fairer without Mark.
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Re: Best musician in Mark’s latest band
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2022, 07:46:17 PM »
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Re: Best musician in Mark’s latest band
« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2022, 08:09:42 PM »
I wouldn’t have Mark as an option, it’s his band. That being said MK at his peak was unreachable, in a league of his own, and it lasted for a very long time. Now it’s pretty clear, at least to me, if he happened to be just a regular member of the band he’d be its weakest end. Time is merciless.
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Re: Best musician in Mark’s latest band
« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2022, 08:28:10 PM »
I wouldn’t have Mark as an option, it’s his band. That being said MK at his peak was unreachable, in a league of his own, and it lasted for a very long time. Now it’s pretty clear, at least to me, if he happened to be just a regular member of the band he’d be its weakest end. Time is merciless.

As I said in a previous post, Mark's songwriting - lyrics and music, has to be taken into consideration, as well as his guitar-playing and singing, all of which wouldn't make him anywhere near the weakest member of the band!  Even so, when I go to a Mark Knopfler concert I know that I'm seeing an exeedingly talented band!   
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Re: Best musician in Mark’s latest band
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2022, 10:25:34 PM »
I wouldn’t have Mark as an option, it’s his band. That being said MK at his peak was unreachable, in a league of his own, and it lasted for a very long time. Now it’s pretty clear, at least to me, if he happened to be just a regular member of the band he’d be its weakest end. Time is merciless.

As I said in a previous post, Mark's songwriting - lyrics and music, has to be taken into consideration, as well as his guitar-playing and singing, all of which wouldn't make him anywhere near the weakest member of the band!  Even so, when I go to a Mark Knopfler concert I know that I'm seeing an exeedingly talented band!

Can I offer an alternative opinion.

Songwriting and musicianship are 2 separate disciplines. Great musicians do not necessarily make great songwriters and vice versa.

Discuss  ;)

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Re: Best musician in Mark’s latest band
« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2022, 10:42:15 PM »
I wouldn’t have Mark as an option, it’s his band. That being said MK at his peak was unreachable, in a league of his own, and it lasted for a very long time. Now it’s pretty clear, at least to me, if he happened to be just a regular member of the band he’d be its weakest end. Time is merciless.

As I said in a previous post, Mark's songwriting - lyrics and music, has to be taken into consideration, as well as his guitar-playing and singing, all of which wouldn't make him anywhere near the weakest member of the band!  Even so, when I go to a Mark Knopfler concert I know that I'm seeing an exeedingly talented band!

Can I offer an alternative opinion.

Songwriting and musicianship are 2 separate disciplines. Great musicians do not necessarily make great songwriters and vice versa.

Discuss  ;)

I'm pretty sure in the Tin Pan Alley were some songwriters who never played an instrument. Jim Morrison never played anything, and yet, what a brilliant songwriter he was. Absolutely, I'd add there are actually three disciplines: musicianship, songwriting, and improvisation.

You can be a brilliant classical musician, but never be able to improvise a single note. You can have rudimentary knowledge about playing but improvise like God. Or you can have no both skills and still compose brilliant melodies. Mark, however, excels in all three disciplines and hence the diamond of the industry...

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Re: Best musician in Mark’s latest band
« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2022, 10:52:39 PM »
I wouldn’t have Mark as an option, it’s his band. That being said MK at his peak was unreachable, in a league of his own, and it lasted for a very long time. Now it’s pretty clear, at least to me, if he happened to be just a regular member of the band he’d be its weakest end. Time is merciless.

As I said in a previous post, Mark's songwriting - lyrics and music, has to be taken into consideration, as well as his guitar-playing and singing, all of which wouldn't make him anywhere near the weakest member of the band!  Even so, when I go to a Mark Knopfler concert I know that I'm seeing an exeedingly talented band!

Can I offer an alternative opinion.

Songwriting and musicianship are 2 separate disciplines. Great musicians do not necessarily make great songwriters and vice versa.

Discuss  ;)

I'm pretty sure in the Tin Pan Alley were some songwriters who never played an instrument. Jim Morrison never played anything, and yet, what a brilliant songwriter he was. Absolutely, I'd add there are actually three disciplines: musicianship, songwriting, and improvisation.

You can be a brilliant classical musician, but never be able to improvise a single note. You can have rudimentary knowledge about playing but improvise like God. Or you can have no both skills and still compose brilliant melodies. Mark, however, excels in all three disciplines and hence the diamond of the industry...

Do you really think Mark is a great improviser? That's interesting, as much as I love him and his music I always felt his playing was somewhat scripted and extremely polished, more akin to your classical musician analogy.

I'm not saying mk is a poor improviser, I'm just not sure he excells in that department.

Really interesting opinion though....

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Re: Best musician in Mark’s latest band
« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2022, 10:52:59 PM »
I wouldn’t have Mark as an option, it’s his band. That being said MK at his peak was unreachable, in a league of his own, and it lasted for a very long time. Now it’s pretty clear, at least to me, if he happened to be just a regular member of the band he’d be its weakest end. Time is merciless.

As I said in a previous post, Mark's songwriting - lyrics and music, has to be taken into consideration, as well as his guitar-playing and singing, all of which wouldn't make him anywhere near the weakest member of the band!  Even so, when I go to a Mark Knopfler concert I know that I'm seeing an exeedingly talented band!

Can I offer an alternative opinion.

Songwriting and musicianship are 2 separate disciplines. Great musicians do not necessarily make great songwriters and vice versa.

Discuss  ;)

I'm pretty sure in the Tin Pan Alley were some songwriters who never played an instrument. Jim Morrison never played anything, and yet, what a brilliant songwriter he was. Absolutely, I'd add there are actually three disciplines: musicianship, songwriting, and improvisation.

You can be a brilliant classical musician, but never be able to improvise a single note. You can have rudimentary knowledge about playing but improvise like God. Or you can have no both skills and still compose brilliant melodies. Mark, however, excels in all three disciplines and hence the diamond of the industry...

Very well written :thumbsup
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Re: Best musician in Mark’s latest band
« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2022, 11:36:50 PM »
I'm pretty sure in the Tin Pan Alley were some songwriters who never played an instrument. Jim Morrison never played anything, and yet, what a brilliant songwriter he was. Absolutely, I'd add there are actually three disciplines: musicianship, songwriting, and improvisation.

You can be a brilliant classical musician, but never be able to improvise a single note. You can have rudimentary knowledge about playing but improvise like God. Or you can have no both skills and still compose brilliant melodies. Mark, however, excels in all three disciplines and hence the diamond of the industry...

Do you really think Mark is a great improviser? That's interesting, as much as I love him and his music I always felt his playing was somewhat scripted and extremely polished, more akin to your classical musician analogy.

I'm not saying mk is a poor improviser, I'm just not sure he excells in that department.

Really interesting opinion though....

Well, I know a thing or two about this, as I'm exactly the first type. I can't improvise at all, and throughout my life, I spent a lot of time and money trying to learn this craft and never succeeded. I gave up on learning improvising, and I've met quite a lot of people who may be playing not as advanced as me, but they are really good improvisers. I, however, seem like have a complete improvisation block.

Mark is a brilliant improviser. I studied a lot of his playing and surely he's as talented as a songwriter as an improviser. He's a brilliant guitar player overall. Maybe he's not technically mind-blowing, he's not Steve Vai or something, but overall he's amazing.

Even "scripted" improvisation is also not easy. In fact, all improvisation is scripted anyway... Like the way we speak, we speak with words and letters that are already known, it's just a new arrangement of those that we make up on the spot and it's called improvisation. I improvise this post right now.

Mark, in his own songs, taught himself a very unique style of improvisation, the way he uses intervals, certain traits of his sound, it's not all about fingers and "touch". That's just another little thing that tribute bands can't recreate. He's an excellent improviser for his songs, he's an excellent singer for his songs and the best rhythm guitar player for his songs and the best lead guitar player for his songs. That's why he's so unique and practically uncopyable.

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Re: Best musician in Mark’s latest band
« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2022, 12:05:01 AM »
Beautiful words. I absolutely agree.
I know the way I can see by the moonlight
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Now come on woman, come follow me home

 

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