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Author Topic: Teenage Cancer Trust /Buddy Holly Fundation charity project  (Read 112879 times)

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Re: Teenage Cancer Trust /Buddy Holly Fundation charity project
« Reply #870 on: March 17, 2024, 12:08:59 PM »
I wonder if it would be a perfect moment to release that MK and friends gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire 2002 that was played in aid for the TCT and professionally recorded and never released.

I mean, it was a concert for TCT, and it was recorded and remains unreleased.

Come on!
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Re: Teenage Cancer Trust /Buddy Holly Fundation charity project
« Reply #871 on: March 17, 2024, 12:10:11 PM »
It is Ringo Starr, let him do whatever he wants and that would be perfect.

Come on, this is a song full of strange noises from more than 60 people, and is the drums at the end the problem?

Lol

And the most important, it's for a good cause!
Well, the result from the 60 people is consistent, a delicious organised mess.
The drums at the end feels very odd in comparison, like a piece of hair in the soup, as we say in France... Strange !

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Re: Teenage Cancer Trust /Buddy Holly Fundation charity project
« Reply #872 on: March 17, 2024, 12:10:51 PM »
I wonder if it would be a perfect moment to release that MK and friends gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire 2002 that was played in aid for the TCT and professionally recorded and never released.

I mean, it was a concert for TCT, and it was recorded and remains unreleased.

Come on!
I would really love that! 2002 was maybe the best year of all...

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Re: Teenage Cancer Trust /Buddy Holly Fundation charity project
« Reply #873 on: March 17, 2024, 12:34:09 PM »

Let's hope the sales are massive.

Well on Amazon Germany you have to wait 1-2 months to receive a copy of the CD.
Luckily mine arrived on friday. I wonder why there is no support on Social media from all the artists.
I mean Satriani and Bonamassa alone have 1.7 mio followers and it would have been great if Guy would have asked all the artist to publish
something on the release date on friday to raise the sales. Very strange. and of course the missed opportunity the record some video stuff to make a video for youtube e.g.

Any guesses for the lick at 3.01 ?
« Last Edit: March 17, 2024, 12:39:11 PM by Darling Pretty »
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Re: Teenage Cancer Trust /Buddy Holly Fundation charity project
« Reply #874 on: March 17, 2024, 01:30:09 PM »
It is Ringo Starr, let him do whatever he wants and that would be perfect.

Come on, this is a song full of strange noises from more than 60 people, and is the drums at the end the problem?

Lol

And the most important, it's for a good cause!
Well, the result from the 60 people is consistent, a delicious organised mess.
The drums at the end feels very odd in comparison, like a piece of hair in the soup, as we say in France... Strange !

The devil is in the details and attention to tiniest of details is what we learned to expect from Mark. Once again, expectations ruin everything. Love the hair in the soup comparison. The soup itself is not great AND you have a hair in it, thank you very much :lol

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Re: Teenage Cancer Trust /Buddy Holly Fundation charity project
« Reply #875 on: March 17, 2024, 01:36:11 PM »
Hahah, I’ve listened to it one million times today in the car, and it’s the greatest music thing I’ve heard in ages. I love it! Everything about it is great. Guitar and MK OVERLOAD!! Love it!! Incredibly well mixed. So cool and maximalistic. I accidently said that MK hadn’t been cool since 1981, but I was wrong. MK is still cool. And I am happy.

I believe the remasters are worse.

You mean "Guy Fletcher is cool"? Don't think Mark has been that involved to be honest, apart from playing his parts and handing his address book to Guy LOL
Guy even said "this one really was all my work"  ;D
I asked Guy a while back about why MKs solo albums lost dynamic range and he said he doesn’t care about it.

You either notice it or you don’t.
The last few solo albums were a lot better, dynamically, than the much-liked Golden Heart and STP in their non-HDCD-decoded versions (as well as the remasters from the 1996-2007 box set). Those are really quite limited.
HDCD was a stupid hack to begin with, you can't have more than 16 bits on a CD, period. That got even worse when this thing became Microsoft proprietary, no CD manufacturer would pay them for the license, so no player would support it.
I would have hoped that the remasters would have fixed the dynamics in a normal redbook format... You say that's not the case? Too bad!
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Re: Teenage Cancer Trust /Buddy Holly Fundation charity project
« Reply #876 on: March 17, 2024, 04:48:56 PM »

Let's hope the sales are massive.

Well on Amazon Germany you have to wait 1-2 months to receive a copy of the CD.
Luckily mine arrived on friday. I wonder why there is no support on Social media from all the artists.
I mean Satriani and Bonamassa alone have 1.7 mio followers and it would have been great if Guy would have asked all the artist to publish
something on the release date on friday to raise the sales. Very strange. and of course the missed opportunity the record some video stuff to make a video for youtube e.g.

Any guesses for the lick at 3.01 ?

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Re: Teenage Cancer Trust /Buddy Holly Fundation charity project
« Reply #877 on: March 17, 2024, 08:41:25 PM »
The last few solo albums were a lot better, dynamically, than the much-liked Golden Heart and STP in their non-HDCD-decoded versions (as well as the remasters from the 1996-2007 box set). Those are really quite limited.
HDCD was a stupid hack to begin with, you can't have more than 16 bits on a CD, period. That got even worse when this thing became Microsoft proprietary, no CD manufacturer would pay them for the license, so no player would support it.
I would have hoped that the remasters would have fixed the dynamics in a normal redbook format... You say that's not the case? Too bad!
I believe the remasters are worse.
Yeah, sadly that's the case (or let's say they're barely different). Which is odd since STP at least exists as a differently mastered hi-res download.
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Re: Teenage Cancer Trust /Buddy Holly Fundation charity project
« Reply #879 on: March 17, 2024, 11:43:51 PM »
Nice. He can still pull it off, boom like that :-)

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Re: Teenage Cancer Trust /Buddy Holly Fundation charity project
« Reply #880 on: March 18, 2024, 12:16:31 AM »
Re: HDCD, I emailed Chuck Ainlay many years ago and asked him if HDCD (and Super Bit Mapping) actually sounded any better when played on an ordinary, non-HDCD player.  His response was full of sound engineering technical jargon that went completely over my head, but I understood to mean "Maybe a little".

Re: Going Home ending, isn't that the producer's job, to tell the artist (even Ringo) that something sounds like crap?  Seems to me like it would be.
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Re: Teenage Cancer Trust /Buddy Holly Fundation charity project
« Reply #881 on: March 18, 2024, 01:19:19 AM »
Re: HDCD, I emailed Chuck Ainlay many years ago and asked him if HDCD (and Super Bit Mapping) actually sounded any better when played on an ordinary, non-HDCD player.  His response was full of sound engineering technical jargon that went completely over my head, but I understood to mean "Maybe a little".

Re: Going Home ending, isn't that the producer's job, to tell the artist (even Ringo) that something sounds like crap?  Seems to me like it would be.

People certainly underestimate the role of a producer. I think it's huge—an overarching role, a decision-making role. Ringo is the chillest dude on the planet and I already described why it's important to love him, but in the case of this recording, I think this "random" ending was a bit over the top and classic late Ringo, almost like trying to sabotage the recording or something. A little strange, to say the least. Look at his masterclass on masterclass.com, it's the most bizarre drumming masterclass you can watch and you learn absolutely nothing about drumming, though it has a lot of this "flamboyant persona" vibe. I'm not a fan.

And yes, it's a mystery why somebody like Guy would listen to THIS ending, then probably Mark would listen to this, and a dozen other important and skilled people hear this and all of them give their thumbs-up like this is okay. Put it out. It's ready. It's not going to confuse people at all, it doesn't sound strange.

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Re: Teenage Cancer Trust /Buddy Holly Fundation charity project
« Reply #882 on: March 18, 2024, 01:21:01 AM »
It's been 3 days after the release of the track, weeks after the announcement, and years after work on it started, and still, not a single guitar YouTuber mentioned Mark's "historic recording" even though it involved a lot of musicians people like to obsess over on YouTube save maybe for John Mayer. It looks like nobody even had it in the pipeline.

Each one of these YouTubers released a video right after Rolling Stone's mess of 250 best guitar players list was dropped without warning, making pretty much every guitarist on Earth know about this stupid list and giving them millions of views. I wonder who will be the first to break the mould and finally talk about Mark as the guy is seemingly blacklisted in the multi-million guitar YouTubers clique.

As somebody who's checking the pulse of this rather obnoxious YouTube guitar community pretty often, I am astonished at how criminally underrated Mark still is. Wake up, people.

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Re: Teenage Cancer Trust /Buddy Holly Fundation charity project
« Reply #883 on: March 18, 2024, 06:06:03 AM »
It's been 3 days after the release of the track, weeks after the announcement, and years after work on it started, and still, not a single guitar YouTuber mentioned Mark's "historic recording" even though it involved a lot of musicians people like to obsess over on YouTube save maybe for John Mayer. It looks like nobody even had it in the pipeline.

Each one of these YouTubers released a video right after Rolling Stone's mess of 250 best guitar players list was dropped without warning, making pretty much every guitarist on Earth know about this stupid list and giving them millions of views. I wonder who will be the first to break the mould and finally talk about Mark as the guy is seemingly blacklisted in the multi-million guitar YouTubers clique.

As somebody who's checking the pulse of this rather obnoxious YouTube guitar community pretty often, I am astonished at how criminally underrated Mark still is. Wake up, people.

Mark is not underrated. Everywhere I look he's highly praised as a guitar player with an exceptional touch and taste. The problem is that he hasn't really brought anything exciting to the table in terms of guitar playing for the last 30+ years. Which is by choice. The most interesting stuff guitarwise happened during the first four DS albums, and that has been discussed to death long time ago. A steadily decreasing emphasis on the guitar and a string of solo albums that are very similar; not exactly suprising why Mark isn't a hot topic in the YouTube community. Even as a long time fan, I can barely maintain interest myself.

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Re: Teenage Cancer Trust /Buddy Holly Fundation charity project
« Reply #884 on: March 18, 2024, 08:19:05 AM »
It's been 3 days after the release of the track, weeks after the announcement, and years after work on it started, and still, not a single guitar YouTuber mentioned Mark's "historic recording" even though it involved a lot of musicians people like to obsess over on YouTube save maybe for John Mayer. It looks like nobody even had it in the pipeline.

Each one of these YouTubers released a video right after Rolling Stone's mess of 250 best guitar players list was dropped without warning, making pretty much every guitarist on Earth know about this stupid list and giving them millions of views. I wonder who will be the first to break the mould and finally talk about Mark as the guy is seemingly blacklisted in the multi-million guitar YouTubers clique.

As somebody who's checking the pulse of this rather obnoxious YouTube guitar community pretty often, I am astonished at how criminally underrated Mark still is. Wake up, people.

Mark is not underrated. Everywhere I look he's highly praised as a guitar player with an exceptional touch and taste. The problem is that he hasn't really brought anything exciting to the table in terms of guitar playing for the last 30+ years. Which is by choice. The most interesting stuff guitarwise happened during the first four DS albums, and that has been discussed to death long time ago. A steadily decreasing emphasis on the guitar and a string of solo albums that are very similar; not exactly suprising why Mark isn't a hot topic in the YouTube community. Even as a long time fan, I can barely maintain interest myself.

Yes, "by choice" is a good way to put it, "underrated" is bad. Mark is definitely happy to be less prominent and discussed, this I understand, but people's choice of not featuring his music more often I honestly do not understand sometimes. You can say this thing of "not bringing anything exciting and new to the table" about a lot of artists, but it doesn't stop everybody from talking about them, whether the artists themselves want it or not.

Mark, on the other hand, for most people is just "The Dire Straits guy who played this riff". And the riff in question is either 'Sultans Of Swing' or 'Money For Nothing', without exception, sometimes comically so. Even Rick Beato's latest video on Mark to date, which got over a million views, by the way, was exactly about this. It was titled "Did Dire Straits Create the Coolest Riff Ever?". Dire Straits, not even Mark Knopfler! LOL!

I find Mark's post-DS guitar work more soulful, intricate, interesting, sophisticated and refined, he grows as a songwriter and as a guitar player all the time. And you'd be hard-pressed to find an artist who's as consistent, as prolific and as successful of a songwriter ON TOP of a great guitar player as he is. Heck, Mark's body of work is enough on its own to keep somebody like me going for son-to-be 10 years on YouTube, it's a treasure trove of fun.

Songs like 'Postcards From Paraguay', 'Sailing To Philadelphia', 'Baloney Again', 'Privateering', 'Get Lucky', 'The Ragpicker's Dream' and many others are amazingly well-written, shockingly beautiful, extremely interesting guitar-wise AND provide a great listening experience, cherished by a lot of people evidently by Mark's success of playing it live. And all this while completely blinding most people with the flashy guitar playing in early Dire Straits.

 

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