Teenage Cancer Trust /Buddy Holly Fundation charity project

[Robson]

At first I thought it was the same jacket as in 2009. (PRS for Music Heritage Award) 

[quizzaciously]

This discussion reminds me when Ralph Fiennes was asked about how it felt to put on nazi uniform on the set of Schindler's List for the first time. His answer was: It felt great, it's a very well-made, comfortable Hugo Boss uniform, you feel powerful wearing it. Now, is Ralph Fiennes a Nazi for saying that?

No, he just answers the question and separates the terms Nazi uniform from their doings. Likewise, you can look at this new Going Home version from standpoint of independent creation and a charity effort. As a charity effort, it rocks. As a creation it likely sucks, this is all I wanted to say.

Nice evasion there. You know what people say about debate/discussion when the Nazis are mentioned.

But you said a lot more than that. You questioned the motives of 'the army of millionaires' involved and claimed that this was 'a music business project'.

I still want to know, would you stand at Guitars on the beach, or a hurricane relief benefit, or even the TCT concert series itself and criticise?

I attended last years TCT and much of the music wasn't particularly to my taste but I wouldn't dream of criticising what they were doing, not for one minute....

The accent in my message wasn't on the nazis at all. If you want to accent the nazis in my message I think the problem here is not with me.

In my beliefs nothing, even religion, is safe from humour and criticism. Except, of course, for Muslims — these guys I respect a great deal, don't mess with them. Nothing sacrilegious in criticising a charity. It's done by human beings, and human beings are not perfect. The best charity is the one that's done without public attention anyway. Maybe Mark donated half of his fortune to charities like Bill Gates and we don't even know about it.

But this charity is incredibly public. I'm, like many people here, torn between appreciating the cause and appreciating the result, as I described in my previous message. I'm not criticising the cause, I'm criticising the "tool" they came up with to do the charity. And I do think it could've been done way better than just replaying an instrumental tune from 1983 with a bunch of guitar players. And better execution would actually yield MORE MONEY for the charity.

[Robson]

Sorry, but the premiere of the single Going Home is in two weeks. I suggest a little patience.

[quizzaciously]

Sorry, but the premiere of the single Going Home is in two weeks. I suggest a little patience.

Oh, trust me, there'll be even more wars going on after the release. Brace yourself

That's okay. I think people just confuse the discussion of the cause with the discussion of the music. It's two completely different things. My whole point is you should discuss both, not focus on one aspect of it. Charities can be done the awesome way too, there are so many examples. And with music, I would almost always would rather choose a live performance than a simple recording. Imagine if Live Aid was an album, lol.

[Robson]

Sorry, but the premiere of the single Going Home is in two weeks. I suggest a little patience.

Oh, trust me, there'll be even more wars going on after the release. Brace yourself

That's okay. I think people just confuse the discussion of the cause with the discussion of the music. It's two completely different things. My whole point is you should discuss both, not focus on one aspect of it. Charities can be done the awesome way too, there are so many examples. And with music, I would almost always would rather choose a live performance than a simple recording. Imagine if Live Aid was an album, lol.

Yes it's true. I'm ready:) Sometimes I'm afraid to write something positive But the discussion on March 15 will be more credible.

[quizzaciously]

Sorry, but the premiere of the single Going Home is in two weeks. I suggest a little patience.

Oh, trust me, there'll be even more wars going on after the release. Brace yourself

That's okay. I think people just confuse the discussion of the cause with the discussion of the music. It's two completely different things. My whole point is you should discuss both, not focus on one aspect of it. Charities can be done the awesome way too, there are so many examples. And with music, I would almost always would rather choose a live performance than a simple recording. Imagine if Live Aid was an album, lol.

Yes it's true. I'm ready:) Sometimes I'm afraid to write something positive But the discussion on March 15 will be more credible.

Afraid to write something positive? As someone who barely survives each time after writing something negative here, I can tell you — I wish I'd find something positive to say instead Life is so much easier if you just accept stuff. I just took a look at the list of charity singles in history and I honestly can't find an instrumental song in there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charity_record

You can't believe how much I would want to hear a voice in Mark Knopfler's penned charity single. His voice, or somebody else's. I just want to hear a human voice...

[Love Expresso]

Aah... Living Doll by Cliff Richard and the Young Ones. Loved that one. Goes off immediately in my mind ... 

LE

[Robson]

"Afraid to write something positive? As someone who barely survives each time after writing something negative here"

You see, it works both ways:)

[rmarques821]

Just checked, it is the same as he wore in Norway in 2015    and I don't think it was new then. A quality jacket, it still looks good!

Thanks for the heads up, but I can't find any picture of him wearing it in Norway 2015. Have you got any pictures you can share?
Looks great on him, I really want to buy a similar one! 

[2manyguitars]

Sorry, but the premiere of the single Going Home is in two weeks. I suggest a little patience.

Oh, trust me, there'll be even more wars going on after the release. Brace yourself

That's okay. I think people just confuse the discussion of the cause with the discussion of the music. It's two completely different things. My whole point is you should discuss both, not focus on one aspect of it. Charities can be done the awesome way too, there are so many examples. And with music, I would almost always would rather choose a live performance than a simple recording. Imagine if Live Aid was an album, lol.

Yes but as I have pointed out numerous times you weren't just criticising the music, you were criticising the motives of the people involved.
You also completely misunderstood my reply regarding your Nazi comparison. Look up Godwins law...

Oh and you still haven't really answered my question.in reference to those other charities.

My final question to you (because personally I find this discussion rather dispiriting and disappointing). You talk of tools, so I give you 2 options. One a new mk song with his best guitar work in 30 years, the other  LH. One will raise Millions of £, the other significantly less. One will save the lives of 500 kids, one 100.

The music is completely secondary here.

Which tool are you going to choose....

[Dutchessy]

[2manyguitars]

Thanks for that, lovely little segment. Hopefully this will absolutely sell in bucketloads...

[Robson]

Thank you too:)

[quizzaciously]

Sorry, but the premiere of the single Going Home is in two weeks. I suggest a little patience.

Oh, trust me, there'll be even more wars going on after the release. Brace yourself

That's okay. I think people just confuse the discussion of the cause with the discussion of the music. It's two completely different things. My whole point is you should discuss both, not focus on one aspect of it. Charities can be done the awesome way too, there are so many examples. And with music, I would almost always would rather choose a live performance than a simple recording. Imagine if Live Aid was an album, lol.

Yes but as I have pointed out numerous times you weren't just criticising the music, you were criticising the motives of the people involved.
You also completely misunderstood my reply regarding your Nazi comparison. Look up Godwins law...

Oh and you still haven't really answered my question.in reference to those other charities.

My final question to you (because personally I find this discussion rather dispiriting and disappointing). You talk of tools, so I give you 2 options. One a new mk song with his best guitar work in 30 years on, the other  LH. One will raise Millions of £, the other significantly less. One will save the lives of 500 kids, one 100.

The music is completely secondary here.

Which tool are you going to choose....

The disappointment is mutual. And I don't understand your proposal. So it's: 1) A new MK song with his best guitar work in 30 years that saves 500 kids or 2) The Local Hero theme that saves 100? Or vice versa? A new song to save 100 kids or LH to save 500? Either way, it doesn't matter because we already know the premise of what they have to offer and what we can discuss as fans and should support as fans. Everybody here already said they will buy/bought the thing, regardless of whether they like it or not.

A good product or a good song will sell well. If it sells well, it performs well as a charity single. If I made a charity single, the last thing I would want to read is "This sucks, but I'll buy it to support the cause". It should be "Shut up and take my money, oh, and it's a great cause too, awesome". And I want this effect for this single too, it's just I don't get it, unfortunately. Many people do. Doesn't matter if they'll listen to it again or forget about it after a week. They see names, they drop a coin.

Even in this video with Guy, all they talk about is names, names, names, names, names, names, names, names, names.

Well, they had access to all these names, as well as the best producers, engineers, PR managers, designers, philosophers and poets, they had access to anything and everything and unlimited time (2 years is no joke), and all they came up with was one instrumental song where all eggs are literally in one basket. For me, and many other people, it was a little bit anticlimactic, to say the least. A team like this could come up with something better, and that would make more money too. They should know better, that's my point.

[dustyvalentino]

Aah... Living Doll by Cliff Richard and the Young Ones. Loved that one. Goes off immediately in my mind ... 

LE

I love The Young Ones, Cliff and Hank so I thought it was brilliant, then and now.