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OfflineJules

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Re: New John Illsley album
« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2022, 07:04:22 PM »
I always thought John's records sound more DS than any MK one..
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Re: New John Illsley album
« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2022, 07:14:05 PM »
Even the length is similar to that of Sultans

middle solo at around the same place

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Re: New John Illsley album
« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2022, 07:20:05 PM »
I always thought John's records sound more DS than any MK one..

Even the length is similar to that of Sultans

middle solo at around the same place

Honestly, I think Mark did a much better job at "mocking" DS with "Beryl". I never buy it, when it obviously sounds like it tries really hard to sound like DS. I don't get it. If I want to listen to Dire Straits, I can put on some Dire Straits...

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Re: New John Illsley album
« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2022, 07:23:15 PM »
DS is not just a guitar. MK's voice will always recall DS times.
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Re: New John Illsley album
« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2022, 07:35:02 PM »
DS is not just a guitar. MK's voice will always recall DS times.

As you may know, to me there's no DS at all... DS is just early MK. But there is a certain sound, most of the time resembling Sultans, that's called "DS Sound". I think you can't make Sultans 2, as much as you can't make sequels to any famous song... It's destined to be "resembling this song". So I don't know why to bother.

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Re: New John Illsley album
« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2022, 07:41:46 PM »
I mean if I'd written a song that sounds like Sultans 2, I'd leave it and try to write something else.

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Re: New John Illsley album
« Reply #21 on: February 21, 2022, 07:44:07 PM »
DS is not just a guitar. MK's voice will always recall DS times.

As you may know, to me there's no DS at all... DS is just early MK. But there is a certain sound, most of the time resembling Sultans, that's called "DS Sound". I think you can't make Sultans 2, as much as you can't make sequels to any famous song... It's destined to be "resembling this song". So I don't know why to bother.

I agree. But Sultans Of Swing or Telegraph Road on concerts always got a lot of applause from the audience. Did anyone think about it ... The memories were important and our first contact with the legend
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Re: New John Illsley album
« Reply #22 on: February 21, 2022, 08:32:22 PM »
Nice song by John, but I've never been a fan of his voice....and never will.
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Re: New John Illsley album
« Reply #23 on: February 21, 2022, 08:50:43 PM »



To me, there's not one thing that is interesting about that song. First of all, it's early DS all over again. Second, it's the sound of all John's albums since the 2000s. And third, the lyrics simply don't work. I feel sorry for John because he seems the nicest person you could meet, honest and solid, but a good songwriter he is not. His strongest album, IMO, is the one he did with Greg Pearle.

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Re: New John Illsley album
« Reply #24 on: February 22, 2022, 12:22:36 AM »
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Re: New John Illsley album
« Reply #25 on: February 22, 2022, 09:23:20 AM »
Sequels can work, Mike Oldfield has made Tubular Bells 2 and 3 and Return To Ommadawn, great albums that not only echo the originals but stand up as albums in there own right.
Knopfler, Oldfield and Gilmour is all the guitar I need.

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Re: New John Illsley album
« Reply #26 on: February 22, 2022, 10:19:55 AM »
Lady Writer was Sultans pt 2 wasn't it?

All of the ex DS people are only "famous" because of the DS connection so of course they are going to try to milk that to pick up sales from DS fans...
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Re: New John Illsley album
« Reply #27 on: February 22, 2022, 10:33:26 AM »
Lady Writer was Sultans pt 2 wasn't it?

All of the ex DS people are only "famous" because of the DS connection so of course they are going to try to milk that to pick up sales from DS fans...


Which is OK, but when the music is so derivative as in John's case, it gets a silly.

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Re: New John Illsley album
« Reply #28 on: February 22, 2022, 10:44:53 AM »
I like John Illsley's musical style, he keeps the DS sound alive, althought his lyrics are not as good as MK ones, but they are ok for me because the music is really good.
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Re: New John Illsley album
« Reply #29 on: February 22, 2022, 11:13:33 AM »
I like John Illsley's musical style, he keeps the DS sound alive, althought his lyrics are not as good as MK ones, but they are ok for me because the music is really good.
Finally someone GETS John's music.
He plays a style he loves and will stick with it until he dies.
Nothing wrong with being reliable and consistent.

 

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