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Author Topic: #86 DTRW TOUR - Sep 25 2019 - Madison Square Garden, NYC, NY, US(w.Bonnie Raitt)  (Read 135613 times)

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Well, on the bright side it could be moved to Radio City. A much better venue to see MK than MSG.  No offense, but I'm not too surprised that most of the boomer aged people who will attend this show don't want to sit on a folding chair for a little over two hours.
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At the madison square garden site, when you choose mk concerts and zoom in.
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Well, on the bright side it could be moved to Radio City. A much better venue to see MK than MSG.  No offense, but I'm not too surprised that most of the boomer aged people who will attend this show don't want to sit on a folding chair for a little over two hours.

No offense as well, but NA is not Europe. It's very clear the reason why MK plays smaller venues there. In Europe MK had sold out many venues like the MSG or even bigger.

In my opinion this concert is a big failure by management in many aspects, first of all, MK had just played two sold out concerts at the Beacon in NY, and after that, in less than a month (or maybe a little more, I didnt checked) you book the MSG, that is too much big for the American audiences, in a city where he already played before?

Adding Bonnie Raitt maybe was a strategy to raise sales but... again, he already played NY and in a better venue for fans. MK doesn't sell that much in NA for such a big venue and the most important. The prices... The worst places at the MSG had the only normal prices, but most of the bad and/or far away seats had prices like the firsts rows in Europe!

Everything about this gig is a big big failure. If you see the overall seating map for it, it's more than 3/5 empty. None of the big hangars in Europe had been like that two hours after the general sale was open. Most of them were almost sold out, and sometimes, sold out. Venues like the Sportpalais in Antwerpen, which is bigger than the MSG.

This is going to be a sad farewell for MK big tours, playing a more than 3/5 empty venue, but, that's what happens when you do this very big mistake of booking a so big venue in a city where he just had played two consecutive nights in a country where he sells so little for those big arenas.

Like Dan says, the Radio City Music Hall would had been sold out for sure, even probably 3 consecutive nights at the Radio City would had sold out probably, or very close...
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Well, on the bright side it could be moved to Radio City. A much better venue to see MK than MSG.  No offense, but I'm not too surprised that most of the boomer aged people who will attend this show don't want to sit on a folding chair for a little over two hours.

No offense as well, but NA is not Europe. It's very clear the reason why MK plays smaller venues there. In Europe MK had sold out many venues like the MSG or even bigger.

In my opinion this concert is a big failure by management in many aspects, first of all, MK had just played two sold out concerts at the Beacon in NY, and after that, in less than a month (or maybe a little more, I didnt checked) you book the MSG, that is too much big for the American audiences, in a city where he already played before?

Adding Bonnie Raitt maybe was a strategy to raise sales but... again, he already played NY and in a better venue for fans. MK doesn't sell that much in NA for such a big venue and the most important. The prices... The worst places at the MSG had the only normal prices, but most of the bad and/or far away seats had prices like the firsts rows in Europe!

Everything about this gig is a big big failure. If you see the overall seating map for it, it's more than 3/5 empty. None of the big hangars in Europe had been like that two hours after the general sale was open. Most of them were almost sold out, and sometimes, sold out. Venues like the Sportpalais in Antwerpen, which is bigger than the MSG.

This is going to be a sad farewell for MK big tours, playing a more than 3/5 empty venue, but, that's what happens when you do this very big mistake of booking a so big venue in a city where he just had played two consecutive nights in a country where he sells so little for those big arenas.

Like Dan says, the Radio City Music Hall would had been sold out for sure, even probably 3 consecutive nights at the Radio City would had sold out probably, or very close...

Correct.  You don't just move an event to another venue, 3 weeks before a show.   Can anyone supply an example of this being done even once before, for any artist, at a USA venue, aside from obvious situations where the venue had physical issues (damage, etc)?   Then why think it could happen now?

And, how would you handle the reseating of people who had already bought tickets?  Issue new tickets this late?   Radio City seats about 6,000.  Looks to me that at least that many tickets have been sold to MSG.   For anyone who is suggesting the move, how would you suggest that they handle that situation?   Send letters saying your ticket is no longer valid to those who bought seats after 6000 were sold?

The venue size, along with premium pricing as if it were a small venue, is probably a big factor in the lack of sales.  I passed on buying a presale ticket, as the price for two tickets is more than my cross country air fare for a week vacation(holiday) to the west coast.  If even I passed on buying tickets for this show (after attending at least one NY show every tour), how would anyone expect that it would even close to sell out with sales to more casual fans? 

I'll also throw in that the crossover between MK fans and Raitt fans is probably small.  (Yes, I know the few who love both acts will speak up.  No doubt there are some, just not many!)  If the opening act was another choice, more in the rock genre, then it would have a better chance at selling out.

I expected to see some Groupon discounts, or something like that, to increase sales, but as of yet there is no real new effort in marketing this show!

If you look you can see that Peter Frampton, who is doing a final tour due to medical issues, also has a show near the end of his tour at MSG, on Sept 13.   While not as many seats remain unsold at the MK show, there are a significant number of seats available, just 9 days before that show.

Just thinking about how if they combined Frampton/Knopfler concerts into one show, in my estimation, it would have been sold out months ago, and probably much more enjoyable to those in attendance.   (I just saw Frampton last week, and it was a great show.  I think you'd be surprised at his level of play and energy compared to MK.  Check out an example   )
« Last Edit: September 04, 2019, 05:15:43 PM by zigner »

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I was the show Mark did with Bob Dylan at the Van Andel Arena in Grand Rapids. The place holds over 10k. Less that 2,000 seats were sold. It was the most awkward concert feeling ever. THAT having been said, Mark and co played no less, and hearing that Les Paul echo off the empty walls of the arena to Brothers In Arms was something that made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up, and I will never forget.

So, I believe the show will go on, and will be amazing regardless. Perhaps more personal as a result!

If only Billy Joel (who pretty much has a residence there, and is playing there a couple nights after) would say he will be there, perhaps PCM could really capitalize....

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I was the show Mark did with Bob Dylan at the Van Andel Arena in Grand Rapids. The place holds over 10k. Less that 2,000 seats were sold. It was the most awkward concert feeling ever. THAT having been said, Mark and co played no less, and hearing that Les Paul echo off the empty walls of the arena to Brothers In Arms was something that made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up, and I will never forget.

So, I believe the show will go on, and will be amazing regardless. Perhaps more personal as a result!

If only Billy Joel (who pretty much has a residence there, and is playing there a couple nights after) would say he will be there, perhaps PCM could really capitalize....

Billy was a special guest at a Straits show on 12th October 1985 at MSG as it happens.  Another coincidence is that this was shortly after playing three nights at Radio City (1st, 2nd and 3rd of October).  Of course that was DS at the height of their popularity and with Ed at the helm.

Ed had Mark on the Letterman show and John doing interviews around the time of the Radio City shows.  No way Crooks will have Mark playing on TV these days.
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On the Bob Dylan 2012 tour, the Detroit show was moved to a different, smaller venue due to poor ticket sales. Anyway, I doubt it will happen for this show. I do agree with you jbaent. My impression is ever since the On Every Street album and tour, MK has always acquired much more interest and popularity in Europe than the US. This is no secret and the it's reflected in album and ticket sales.
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On the Bob Dylan 2012 tour, the Detroit show was moved to a different, smaller venue due to poor ticket sales. Anyway, I doubt it will happen for this show. I do agree with you jbaent. My impression is ever since the On Every Street album and tour, MK has always acquired much more interest and popularity in Europe than the US. This is no secret and the it's reflected in album and ticket sales.

Maybe he should visit another country that is desperate for him to play there - Australia, for example, for a change!
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On the Bob Dylan 2012 tour, the Detroit show was moved to a different, smaller venue due to poor ticket sales. Anyway, I doubt it will happen for this show. I do agree with you jbaent. My impression is ever since the On Every Street album and tour, MK has always acquired much more interest and popularity in Europe than the US. This is no secret and the it's reflected in album and ticket sales.

Yea, also why they offered free copies of the album if US customers bought pre-sale tickets.

Like said above, Australia and/or South America would sell some tickets. Seen lots of comments on Facebook asking when he will return to these places. Very packed schedule already in the EU/NA tour. That's why they could do one gig in each EU country next time, to save energy on themselves (if there is a next time). :o

One venue for each country would easily sell out, at least in EU.
« Last Edit: September 05, 2019, 08:05:17 AM by vr46mk »

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Good idea, maybe that is the best way going forward, for "the next" tour, smaller amount of shows but more countries around the world, that way Mark could have more of a rest during the tour as he could be almost mid 70's by then. And it would be a great farewell to all those other countries who don't get a tour date, plus it could be correctly marketed as a "World Tour" instead of the current one, which is really just Europe plus America and Canada.
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