DTRW - Bonus vinyl tracks!!

[goon525]

I don't always agree with Herlock on matters audio, but I happen to be with him 100% here! Although I suspect there could be debate about whether even the best ADC is 100% perfect. But in practice, every turntable, arm, cartridge, phono preamp is different and will produce different sound, and that will swamp likely differences in ADC quality.

(Incidentally - and I don't think Herlock will be interested in this - I asked Guy why there has been no hi res digital release of the new album. He said 'good question' and he'll look into it.)

[goon525]

Thanks, very interesting. Awaiting opposite opinions here  as usual ...

How comes that vinyl people use terms like "warmer" and "fuller" when explaining their love for it?

LE

It's not difficult to design gear that has those characteristics - rather than truth to the original signal - and it wouldn't be hard to mimic it in digital if that's what's wanted.

[herlock]

Thanks, very interesting. Awaiting opposite opinions here  as usual ...

How comes that vinyl people use terms like "warmer" and "fuller" when explaining their love for it?

LE

It's irrational. Maybe because of the crack noises that are reminiscent of ancient times ?
Anyway, the vinyl is a good medium to restitute audio, it can be made to sound very good, so, fine if people love it. I just don't, because it is not practical: big, required to operate the turntable, not easy to copy... But hey, I don't judge. I have nothing against vinyl, I am just aware that there is no rationale for it's so-called technical superiority.

[herlock]

I don't always agree with Herlock on matters audio, but I happen to be with him 100% here! Although I suspect there could be debate about whether even the best ADC is 100% perfect. But in practice, every turntable, arm, cartridge, phono preamp is different and will produce different sound, and that will swamp likely differences in ADC quality.

(Incidentally - and I don't think Herlock will be interested in this - I asked Guy why there has been no hi res digital release of the new album. He said 'good question' and he'll look into it.)

Well the lossy vs. Lossless debate is pretty easy.
The "HD" vs. Redbook CD one can be heated and religious I stick to my opinion that HD is pure bullshit

[quizzaciously]

I have an idea. Why to have boring shows with fair admission tickets? Let's have Deluxe show edition — all the encores is only for people with $$$

[herlock]

I have an idea. Why to have boring shows with fair admission tickets? Let's have Deluxe show edition — all the encores is only for people with $$$

And for the super-rich, you get a peep-show from Ruth Moody ?

[Silvertown]

I have an idea. Why to have boring shows with fair admission tickets? Let's have Deluxe show edition — all the encores is only for people with $$$

I am okay with the fact that there are deluxe editions with special features (bonus songs). Of course it would be nice to have them also digitally.

[Jules]

I seems to recall someone (Ingrid?) would communicate with PCM expressing our disappointment with the digital download having just the 14 standard editions songs and not the 19 songs in the box. Any news about it?

[dmg]

I seems to recall someone (Ingrid?) would communicate with PCM expressing our disappointment with the digital download having just the 14 standard editions songs and not the 19 songs in the box. Any news about it?

Everyone that has the box should be complaining.  Taking into account the snippet we have from MKNews it appears to me that the three bonus tracks were supposed to be available from the download code and it is an oversight.  They could easily make them available.

[PensaGhost]

Soundbites for the bonus tracks are indeed here on the MK news website...

https://www.mark-knopfler-news.co.uk/releases/wherever/

WTF    amatuers

it's like saying 'we have them but you can't have them', its really upsetting and disturbing, especially because of 'Dont Suck Me In' thats pure magic, it really and deeply makes you travel back in time to the first DS album in 1978, first song of the whole solo career doing this

[Dutchessy]

Someone asked Guy:

As you know, the download code that came with the super deluxe box set is only for the main album itself. None of the bonus tracks were included, as they have always been in previous box sets. Can you reach out to someone to find out if this is a mistake and help get it corrected? Lots of us with no method of playing back vinyl are missing out on these tracks right now.


GF:

I’ve asked the question. Will post response here when I get it.

[PensaGhost]

Someone asked Guy:

As you know, the download code that came with the super deluxe box set is only for the main album itself. None of the bonus tracks were included, as they have always been in previous box sets. Can you reach out to someone to find out if this is a mistake and help get it corrected? Lots of us with no method of playing back vinyl are missing out on these tracks right now.


GF:

I’ve asked the question. Will post response here when I get it.

well written question, hope it gets fixed, otherwise it's absurd

[Ian Lewis]

A lot of confusion here...
The lossy / lossless debate is relevant when comparing digital files - some being lossy, i.e. using psychoacoustic algorithms to eliminate some low volume frequencies at some times, like MP3) and some being lossless (I.e. pure digital samples without such compression, e.g. FLAC files or Redbook CD).
Vinyl is analog, not digital. By proper digitalisation with both appropriate horizontal resolution (>40khz, since we can't hear above 20khz, and Shannon tells us to use a sampling frequency at least twice the max) and vertical resolution (16 bits with proper dither like properly produced CDs, or 24 bits), you will restitute perfectly all the audio information contained in the original vinyl. Of course if you use proper equipment along the way, and especially a good Analog/Digital Converter.
Vinyl can definitely sound very good, but digital can do just as good. The vinyl revival is emotional and artistic (nice 12'' art covers) but not rational.

Very interesting!  Thanks for sharing.  There some seem to be this romance to hang on to older technologies.  It’s a bit like photographer and a resurgence in film.  Not saying it’s wrong, just interesting.


www.ianlewisphoto.co.uk

[Dutchessy]

So...

Who needs a decent recording?

PM me, don't post here.

[PensaGhost]

Who needs a decent recording?

is it improved or the first one ?