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Re: Pick and tremolo
« Reply #15 on: April 26, 2016, 07:37:45 PM »
I have got a MK1 replica, it has got the tremolo bar. I have never seen Mark using it with the Pensa MK1

the tremolo (vibrato ;) ) of the MK1 is blocked. It has a Floyd Rose tremolo mainly because Mark wanted the fine tuners.

With the Fenders on the 1977-79 stuff Mark used the tremolo a lot (e.g. the train chords in the Eastbound Train solo, the last chord in DTTW, news outro,...
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Re: Pick and tremolo
« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2016, 09:20:59 PM »
Nice explanation, vibrato=change in pitch
tremo=change in volume
Actually, there isn't really any rule to this if I'm not mistaken  :P . A change in volume or a change in pitch may be called either tremolo or vibrato depending on who's talking. In this case with Mark and his guitar, we're only talking about a change in pitch from either his left hand fingers or the tremolo arm of the guitar. BUT on some amplifiers the change in volume effect is called tremolo, and on others it's called vibrato. I think the confusion stems from the early days of Fender, Marshall and Vox amps using both words for the same effect.  ;D

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Re: Pick and tremolo
« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2016, 10:10:29 PM »
a notable difference between tremolo bar and left hand vibrato :

the hand vibrato can only  make a pitch up, while in most of the cases, the tremolo arm can only make a pitch down
(although some rare systems can make a pitch up like on Satriani's guitar for example or on recent strats like mine from 2005)

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Re: Pick and tremolo
« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2016, 10:24:37 PM »
I have got a MK1 replica, it has got the tremolo bar. I have never seen Mark using it with the Pensa MK1

the tremolo (vibrato ;) ) of the MK1 is blocked. It has a Floyd Rose tremolo mainly because Mark wanted the fine tuners.


Yes, it has got a Floyd Rose bridge, and microtuners
But, my tremolo bar is not blocked, I copied the exact MK1 but did not know about bar blocked

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Re: Pick and tremolo
« Reply #19 on: May 01, 2016, 10:35:03 AM »
Actually, there isn't really any rule to this if I'm not mistaken  :P . A change in volume or a change in pitch may be called either tremolo or vibrato depending on who's talking. In this case with Mark and his guitar, we're only talking about a change in pitch from either his left hand fingers or the tremolo arm of the guitar. BUT on some amplifiers the change in volume effect is called tremolo, and on others it's called vibrato. I think the confusion stems from the early days of Fender, Marshall and Vox amps using both words for the same effect.  ;D

Right, technically it is clear: a modulation of pitch is vibrato, one of volume is tremolo. Fender did it wrong right from the beginning so today you can call it what you want.


a notable difference between tremolo bar and left hand vibrato :

the hand vibrato can only  make a pitch up, while in most of the cases, the tremolo arm can only make a pitch down
(although some rare systems can make a pitch up like on Satriani's guitar for example or on recent strats like mine from 2005)

Fender's (and others) tremolo/vibrato was designed to be used with a floating bridge plate so you can push it down or pull it up. Adjusting it so that it touches the top and can only be pushed  down, like Mark probably had on all early Dire Straits stuff, was not the way it was meant to work. The reason is more tuning stability of course, plus the tune of other strings does not go down when you bend a string.

But, my tremolo bar is not blocked, I copied the exact MK1 but did not know about bar blocked

I think it is stated in the MK guitar style books that it is blocked and the fine tuners were why he wanted the FR.

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Re: Pick and tremolo
« Reply #20 on: May 01, 2016, 07:45:56 PM »


My 1964 Fender Concert amp (MK has one too!) calls it vibrato. :)

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Re: Pick and tremolo
« Reply #21 on: May 02, 2016, 12:07:43 PM »
Fender's (and others) tremolo/vibrato was designed to be used with a floating bridge plate so you can push it down or pull it up. Adjusting it so that it touches the top and can only be pushed  down, like Mark probably had on all early Dire Straits stuff, was not the way it was meant to work. The reason is more tuning stability of course, plus the tune of other strings does not go down when you bend a string.

I thought the "normal " way was that it touched the top and Fender changed this only in recent models

You mean that all early strats from 50ies and 60ies had a floating bridge ?

However, many guitarists have their guitar in the same way as Mark's one

eg.g the gilmour black strat
http://www.gilmourish.com/?page_id=66

Gallagher's one seems to
http://images.google.fr/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fthehandmadeguitar.com%2Fcustom-guitar%2Fgallery%2Fbravewood-guitar-vintage-reproduction-stratocaster-guitars.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fthehandmadeguitar.com%2Fbravewood-guitars-uk-made-vintage-replica-guitars&h=820&w=1300&tbnid=B9iwWoKqP9YL_M%3A&docid=DBKvoyP4xqhH4M&ei=kyYnV63eGomQaJiBmqAL&tbm=isch&iact=rc&uact=3&dur=366&page=1&start=0&ndsp=43&ved=0ahUKEwjt8_yikrvMAhUJCBoKHZiABrQQMwgtKAgwCA&bih=995&biw=1920

and I think many others are in this case, so not only Mark's one

http://www.google.fr/search?q=vintage+strats&biw=1920&bih=995&site=webhp&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi_p7KdkbvMAhUF7hoKHR9MCaUQ_AUIBigB

http://www.guitarhq.com/57strat.html

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Re: Pick and tremolo
« Reply #22 on: May 03, 2016, 10:31:13 AM »
Right, and I am sure: the Strat tremolo was designed to be floating. This is the way it is pictured in the patent drawings and this way all Strat came out of the factory for decades.
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