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Author Topic: Why did MK stop performing Tunnel of Love?  (Read 17694 times)

Offlineborder_reiver

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Re: Why did MK stop performing Tunnel of Love?
« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2016, 11:48:09 PM »
"So you wanna hear TOL? Well here's an LOL..."
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Re: Why did MK stop performing Tunnel of Love?
« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2016, 11:49:15 PM »
"So you wanna hear TOL? Well here's an LOL..."

 :lol
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Re: Why did MK stop performing Tunnel of Love?
« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2016, 11:50:06 PM »
I think there's quite a big and valid difference between them paying MK to make him do what they want (and again, he has not gone really far on private gigs) and us paying to see MK do what he likes.

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Re: Why did MK stop performing Tunnel of Love?
« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2016, 11:53:12 PM »
I think there's quite a big and valid difference between them paying MK to make him do what they want (and again, he has not gone really far on private gigs) and us paying to see MK do what he likes.

I respect your point. But where you see a difference I see a similarity.

The only difference is that we fans don't lend our cars for the band to travel throughout Europe in. Instead, our tickets pay the gas.

(I thrive in these debates :) )
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Re: Why did MK stop performing Tunnel of Love?
« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2016, 11:58:14 PM »
But in the end we get a happy MK playing Marbletown and they get a not so motivated MK playing Walk of Life  :lol

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Re: Why did MK stop performing Tunnel of Love?
« Reply #20 on: April 05, 2016, 12:02:16 AM »
But in the end we get a happy MK playing Marbletown and they get a not so motivated MK playing Walk of Life  :lol

Ah, the devastating rock star life. Being forced and thus not so motivated playing the stuff that got you where you are and the gear you use.

(No I'm no Legacy/Legends type... I just can't get the personality that isn't motivated by seeing cheerful fans)

Take Skydiver this last tour. What motivates you when seeing a whole crowd being turned down from an 8 on the cheering scale to a silent pack of statues?
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Re: Why did MK stop performing Tunnel of Love?
« Reply #21 on: April 05, 2016, 12:18:35 AM »
I don't understand that money motivates him to play the DS stuff at private events? Isn't he filthy rich? Worth more than £100 million?

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Re: Why did MK stop performing Tunnel of Love?
« Reply #22 on: April 05, 2016, 12:22:49 AM »

(No I'm no Legacy/Legends type... I just can't get the personality that isn't motivated by seeing cheerful fans)

Take Skydiver this last tour. What motivates you when seeing a whole crowd being turned down from an 8 on the cheering scale to a silent pack of statues?

+1

Well said that man.
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Re: Why did MK stop performing Tunnel of Love?
« Reply #23 on: April 05, 2016, 12:40:33 AM »

(No I'm no Legacy/Legends type... I just can't get the personality that isn't motivated by seeing cheerful fans)

Take Skydiver this last tour. What motivates you when seeing a whole crowd being turned down from an 8 on the cheering scale to a silent pack of statues?

+1

Well said that man.

Cheers mate! :)
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Re: Why did MK stop performing Tunnel of Love?
« Reply #24 on: April 05, 2016, 09:07:03 AM »
I think you are right, dmg. I don't think his father is the reason. Some of his songs, like Sultans, can be slowed down, but i think ToL would be ruined so maybe that is the reason. He doesn't play MFN anymore either, I think?

Telegraph Road has exactly the same problem but it was played in every tour...
MFN was played for more than 1 solo tour...

There must be a really big reason for such a sudden and early disappearance...
I 100% believe the father's reason and it perfectly fits the timing...

There are maybe a few reasons but I believe the fact he started playing with the Dullards is the main one.  Also, I don't think the OES tour versions quite hit the spot during the lyrics section and he was even struggling with the solos early on in that tour.  It would only sound even more weary from '96 onward.

Really ? Imo TOL from the OES tour is fantastic
Indeed it was.
Ok, short intro. But Munich'91 has the most touching outro solo I've ever heard. Don't say it is not well played just because you don't like the pensa sound, it is not fair !

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Re: Why did MK stop performing Tunnel of Love?
« Reply #25 on: April 05, 2016, 09:17:42 AM »
Last performance was probably 2nd October 1992;  I have a bootleg from this date with ToL on it.  I have a few other bootlegs after this date too and they all have TR so unless it was performed in Madrid, 6th October then Barcelona, 2nd October was the final performance.

I doubt his Father's death had any influence.  I don't know him (obviously) but he doesn't appear the sentimental type to me.  It is more likely to be that he doesn't feel he could do the song justice any more, certainly in terms of the energy the singing requires.  Even on the OES tour it sounded quite lifeless.  Also, the 96ers are more Nashville than Rock 'n' Roll, the very reason he has never performed the song in his solo career.  As Ed rightly said - The Dullards.  Worthy musicians, but dull for the music of DS.
I think you are both right: initially it must have been the sentimental reason. In 1996 Mark was still very energetic and could have performed TOL with no problems. Now he would probably struggle, so even though 23 years of mourning is enough, he would not play it.
This being said, am I the only one to think that DS songs were very well played in 2015 ?
-Sultans: renewed energy and old licks.
-R&J: sax is back and with a new middle solo
-Brothers:love this version, intro is back, synth is back, and yet not as slow as 96 or 01 (I like it fast)
-OES: love it, I prefer sax over pedal steel
-YLT: superb intro (She's gone), more authentic feel that in 92 where it was kind of robotic
Only TR I think lacks energy, I prefer 2010 or 2013, and actually 96/2001/2005 without the infamous karaoke mode. Although i still love to hear TR, whatever the version.

I find myself listening to the 2015 versions more than any others. Also I love the arrangements of solo songs like Speedway, HFB, KOG (listen to the Manchester versions where the synth can be well heard, very nice !).

Not that bad for so-called "decadent times". My 2 cents.

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Re: Why did MK stop performing Tunnel of Love?
« Reply #26 on: April 05, 2016, 10:46:36 AM »
Last performance was probably 2nd October 1992;  I have a bootleg from this date with ToL on it.  I have a few other bootlegs after this date too and they all have TR so unless it was performed in Madrid, 6th October then Barcelona, 2nd October was the final performance.

I doubt his Father's death had any influence.  I don't know him (obviously) but he doesn't appear the sentimental type to me.  It is more likely to be that he doesn't feel he could do the song justice any more, certainly in terms of the energy the singing requires.  Even on the OES tour it sounded quite lifeless.  Also, the 96ers are more Nashville than Rock 'n' Roll, the very reason he has never performed the song in his solo career.  As Ed rightly said - The Dullards.  Worthy musicians, but dull for the music of DS.
I think you are both right: initially it must have been the sentimental reason. In 1996 Mark was still very energetic and could have performed TOL with no problems. Now he would probably struggle, so even though 23 years of mourning is enough, he would not play it.
This being said, am I the only one to think that DS songs were very well played in 2015 ?
-Sultans: renewed energy and old licks.
-R&J: sax is back and with a new middle solo
-Brothers:love this version, intro is back, synth is back, and yet not as slow as 96 or 01 (I like it fast)
-OES: love it, I prefer sax over pedal steel
-YLT: superb intro (She's gone), more authentic feel that in 92 where it was kind of robotic
Only TR I think lacks energy, I prefer 2010 or 2013, and actually 96/2001/2005 without the infamous karaoke mode. Although i still love to hear TR, whatever the version.

I find myself listening to the 2015 versions more than any others. Also I love the arrangements of solo songs like Speedway, HFB, KOG (listen to the Manchester versions where the synth can be well heard, very nice !).

Not that bad for so-called "decadent times". My 2 cents.

I have been listening to the 2010 and 2013 versions of TR quite a lot recently and I agree with you that there are some that are really exceptionally good.   I have always loved the Manchester 2010 version, but compared to Liverpool 2013, Carcassonne 2013 and RAH 2013, it now seems pretty sedate, due in some way to Matt's rather polite piano, but the end solo is really fantastic - to me anyway!   I  think Jim's piano-playing has added extra energy to TR since 2013!   

I enjoyed the 2015 concerts very much, especially Manchester, which was especially good with SOS, KOG and also TR played very well.  I was sorry to have missed OES and YLT on my concerts, but I enjoyed them on the recordings I have heard:)
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Re: Why did MK stop performing Tunnel of Love?
« Reply #27 on: April 05, 2016, 06:19:54 PM »
Sorry Herlock, I have to comment that 2015 was by far the worst tour all round for our man IMO.  Even resurrected songs one would expect to be full of new life like YLT and OES were performed with little to no energy.  His vocal on most songs was awful too, especially YLT and R&J.  Best song of the tour was probably KOG but that was soon dropped.  I do so wish he would practice playing his guitar when not touring.  Just sometimes!
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Re: Why did MK stop performing Tunnel of Love?
« Reply #28 on: April 05, 2016, 07:00:34 PM »
Sorry Herlock, I have to comment that 2015 was by far the worst tour all round for our man IMO.  Even resurrected songs one would expect to be full of new life like YLT and OES were performed with little to no energy.  His vocal on most songs was awful too, especially YLT and R&J.  Best song of the tour was probably KOG but that was soon dropped.  I do so wish he would practice playing his guitar when not touring.  Just sometimes!
I really disagee. OES is really nice on the recoedings, si is BIA. and YLT. R&J altough not my fav was played nicely with sax. You yourself that Old licks were resurrected in SoS. Only for TR I feel 2013 had more energy...

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Re: Why did MK stop performing Tunnel of Love?
« Reply #29 on: April 05, 2016, 07:29:23 PM »
Please keep in mind that these corporate events and sponsoring contracts subsidise the whole tour and in the end our ticket price, too. Maybe we should hire him for an AMIT show?
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