Holly Vincent was only 19 when Mark was nearly 30

[Marijo58]

Absolutely, it was just like that, I suppose!! We will never know anything about what really happened in MK's private life and this is it!!

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[silentguy]

Holly has a cast in that Old Grey Whistle Test video ?
Or it's a big sock with words on it

[Hoops McCann]

Sounded like a rip-off of the Pretenders. Pretty stereotypical for the era.

[wespresso]

Whenever watching the version of Romeo and Juliet where MK almost cries I get the feeling that Holly Vincent was the love of his life.

Did you mean "Where Do You Think You're Going"?   

I read about this "emotional" performance before, which version is that?

[superval99]

Whenever watching the version of Romeo and Juliet where MK almost cries I get the feeling that Holly Vincent was the love of his life.

Did you mean "Where Do You Think You're Going"?   

I read about this "emotional" performance before, which version is that?

Boston '79

[JF]

Whenever watching the version of Romeo and Juliet where MK almost cries I get the feeling that Holly Vincent was the love of his life.

Did you mean "Where Do You Think You're Going"?   

I read about this "emotional" performance before, which version is that?

Boston '79

I read about this in the Oldfield book : Ed said something like "Holly phoned Mark and said to him it was over just before the gig. He sung WDYTYG like he never did before, I had tears in my eyes". We know that it happened during the 2nd US tour in late 79, but there is no date and location.

I have always wondered if this version was on bootleg or not, and which one it was.

Val, how do you know its' the Boston one ? Do you have more info, or is it just that you feel this version is more emotional than usual ?

[superval99]

Whenever watching the version of Romeo and Juliet where MK almost cries I get the feeling that Holly Vincent was the love of his life.

Did you mean "Where Do You Think You're Going"?   

I read about this "emotional" performance before, which version is that?

Boston '79

Val, how do you know its' the Boston one ? Do you have more info, or is it just that you feel this version is more emotional than usual ?

JF - Purely because it says Boston on the video and we have discussed this version before - no other reason except he does sound very emotional.        It was discussed, albeit briefly, here:

http://www.amarkintime.org/forum/index.php?topic=350.45

[JF]

Whenever watching the version of Romeo and Juliet where MK almost cries I get the feeling that Holly Vincent was the love of his life.

Did you mean "Where Do You Think You're Going"?   

I read about this "emotional" performance before, which version is that?

Boston '79

Val, how do you know its' the Boston one ? Do you have more info, or is it just that you feel this version is more emotional than usual ?

JF - Purely because it says Boston on the video and we have discussed this version before - no other reason except he does sound very emotional.        It was discussed, albeit briefly, here:

http://www.amarkintime.org/forum/index.php?topic=350.45

I was asking why did you know the Boston version was the one mentionned by Ed in the Oldfield book, not why the YT link was the Boston version 

anyway it seems we will never know for sure which gig it was when they broke up, and that had this special version of the song. Maybe it is this one, maybe it is another one we have on another bootleg, maybe it's one we will never hear....

[dmg]

Val, how do you know its' the Boston one ? Do you have more info, or is it just that you feel this version is more emotional than usual ?

JF - Purely because it says Boston on the video and we have discussed this version before - no other reason except he does sound very emotional.        It was discussed, albeit briefly, here:

http://www.amarkintime.org/forum/index.php?topic=350.45
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I was asking why did you know the Boston version was the one mentionned by Ed in the Oldfield book, not why the YT link was the Boston version 

anyway it seems we will never know for sure which gig it was when they broke up, and that had this special version of the song. Maybe it is this one, maybe it is another one we have on another bootleg, maybe it's one we will never hear....
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All his singing around this era was full of emotion/passion.  Don't think we'll ever know for sure.

[WaterofLove]

WOW. That Boston-bootleg just HAS to be right after she broke up with him. It sounds like he whispers, like he is about to cry, his voice is breaking. I have never heard him like that, even if his songs are emotional in general. If they didn't have a serious relationship, why would he sing like this, why would he write R&J, why would he still almost cry when singing? I am referring to the Night in London-version of R&J where he has tears in his eyes and his mouth is moving like when before crying.
Look at 3.10 and from 5.40.

[Marijo58]

I noticed it as well but I did not know the first time I saw this video, for whom he wrote the song. I thought it was for his first wife. Usually the first cut is the deepest!! Dixit Rod Stewart!! He was certainly very much in love with her because he married her rather young!! And what happened with their marriage was certainly a big emotional shock. Now that was my theory up until now but if you say it's for Holly then maybe you are right...

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[JF]

I noticed it as well but I did not know the first time I saw this video, for whom he wrote the song. I thought it was for his first wife. Usually the first cut is the deepest!! Dixit Rod Stewart!! He was certainly very much in love with her because he married her rather young!! And what happened with their marriage was certainly a big emotional shock. Now that was my theory up until now but if you say it's for Holly then maybe you are right...

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song about his relationship with one of his grilfriends in his youth (maybe Sue Hercombe ?) is Down to the waterline

songs about his relationship with his first wife are on the first album : water of love, setting me up, six blade knife, and on communique : follow me home

songs about his relationship with Holly Vincent are : Romeo & Juliet, love over gold and it never rains (a "trilogy" as said in the oldifeld book, although Mark denied it)

songs about his relationship with Lourdes could be : when it comes to you, fade to black, how long, maybe your latest trick ?

songs about his relationship with Kitty are all love songs from Golden heart until now

[Marijo58]

Thanks JF.

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[WaterofLove]

I noticed it as well but I did not know the first time I saw this video, for whom he wrote the song. I thought it was for his first wife. Usually the first cut is the deepest!! Dixit Rod Stewart!! He was certainly very much in love with her because he married her rather young!! And what happened with their marriage was certainly a big emotional shock. Now that was my theory up until now but if you say it's for Holly then maybe you are right...

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The lyrics in the song are more suitable for the Holly-situation because when Kathy was married to Mark he wasn't a rock star and couldn't be exploited in the way that the lyrics describes. "I dreamed your dream for you and now your dream is real". He stated that he thought Holly was taking advantage of his position to "boost her career".  And of course that famous line he took from the interview when she said she had a scene with him. And it might have worked because she did get a record contract. However, I am not sure if this was with Ed Bicknell or Charlie Gillett? I think Holly lived in London for a while, and maybe she met Mark there?

Quote from the deleted post: "He had none too many women". Hmm, he did almost get a new one immediately after a breakup? Holly was gone in 79 and he married Lourdes in 83, so they must have met quite shortly after the breakup. And he divorced Lourdes in 93 and started dating Kitty in 94 and married her in 97. Maybe you refer to the gap between 73 (end of marriage with Kathy) and 79 when the Holly-thing started? As earlier discussed it is most likely that he would have written a song about it if there were a relationship between Kathy and Holly. Quite interesting actually, maybe he was picky.

[Marijo58]

As a matter of fact I can imagine that the divorce with Lourdes was painful again because his twins were quite young, about 5 years old and what maybe brought the tears in his eyes during this show was taking place just around the after divorce period so maybe and it is only my interprétation, he was indeed very sad thinking about his sons as Everybody said he is  a very caring Dad!!

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