Rock and roll hall of fame

[Jules]

Of course. But to history, even people doesn't know, the fact will still be it.

When anyone search for it, this will appear as their last public appearance.

The fact.

[junkiedoll]

Best one can say about the HoF farce:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=belP783zBq8&feature=youtu.be

[Jules]

Or, let's say, that people ignore the history doesn't change the historical facts.

Whatever opinion or excuse we would use to hide it, forget it or mask it, the historical fact remains.

[dmg]

Anyone knows what Dire Straits item John donated to RRHOF Museum?

One of Mark's sweaty old headbands.  Hopefully!

[dmg]

A number of things annoy me about this whole farce:

the trio were advised 15 minutes prior to going on stage there was no one to induct them so John decided to scribble something down and had no time to rehearse it and just read it from the paper he wrote it on.

the organisation didn't even have a video montage ready to showcase the band.

the fact that the guys went all the way to Cleveland and were made to feel very uncomfortable at the ceremony.

my favourite band are now a part of all this. Can they be uninducted?

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What pleases me:

Mark had the foresight not to attend this sham.

I didn't vote.

[dustyvalentino]

Anyone knows what Dire Straits item John donated to RRHOF Museum?

One of Mark's sweaty old headbands.  Hopefully!

The blue jacket.

[quizzaciously]

A fan is nobody for you. He's not a friend, he's not a family member, he merely likes that you do and that's all. I think some money-related things like buying tickets/CDs/memorabilia/instruments/whatever could lead to a conclusion, that he (or she) owes you something. But this is just an illusion! So Mark doesn't need to "love" his fans, because he's not supposed to.

[dustyvalentino]

Or, let's say, that people ignore the history doesn't change the historical facts.

Whatever opinion or excuse we would use to hide it, forget it or mask it, the historical fact remains.

It's not a fact though, it's your opinion.

In my opinion, it's not DS if MK isn't there. Your opinion may be different. John, AC and Guy don't become DS just because the joke organisation that is the RRHOF says so. If that was the case then you could say that any of these tribute bands were actually DS.

[Jules]

It's not an opinion.

The hall of fame inducted Dire Straits, fact.

John, Alan and Guy went to the ceremony for the Dire Straits induction, fact.

They were inducted as Dire Straits, fact.

Facts, not opinions.

[dustyvalentino]

It's not an opinion.

The hall of fame inducted Dire Straits, fact.

John, Alan and Guy went to the ceremony for the Dire Straits induction, fact.

They were inducted as Dire Straits, fact.

Facts, not opinions.

John, Alan and Guy are not Dire Straits though. You could make the case for that being a fact, given that the line up of DS has never been expressed as the three of them, on any official release. P

You seem to place an awful lot of stock in the authority of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. As far as I'm concerned they have no authority. They are a bunch of music industry lowlifes, exactly the type of people MK have avoided throughout his career.

[dmg]

It's not an opinion.

The hall of fame inducted Dire Straits, fact.

John, Alan and Guy went to the ceremony for the Dire Straits induction, fact.

They were inducted as Dire Straits, fact.

Facts, not opinions.

John, Alan and Guy are not Dire Straits though. You could make the case for that being a fact, given that the line up of DS has never been expressed as the three of them, on any official release. P

You seem to place an awful lot of stock in the authority of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. As far as I'm concerned they have no authority. They are a bunch of music industry lowlifes, exactly the type of people MK have avoided throughout his career.

 

Dusty's right - it's just a complete sham.  And John inducted them anyway.

I hope the guys enjoyed catching up on their trip to Cleveland but looked like they were made to feel really uncomfortable at the ceremony.

[superval99]

It's not an opinion.

The hall of fame inducted Dire Straits, fact.

John, Alan and Guy went to the ceremony for the Dire Straits induction, fact.

They were inducted as Dire Straits, fact.

Facts, not opinions.

John, Alan and Guy are not Dire Straits though. You could make the case for that being a fact, given that the line up of DS has never been expressed as the three of them, on any official release. P

You seem to place an awful lot of stock in the authority of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. As far as I'm concerned they have no authority. They are a bunch of music industry lowlifes, exactly the type of people MK have avoided throughout his career.

        

 I did vote for them, but I should have known better, knowing how MK feels about such things as the RRHoF.  I'm sorry I bothered now!   

[Jules]

DS, as said in the credits of the OES record (credited then) MK, John, Alan and Guy.

Legally, DS are Mk and John.

John was there.

I don't give any credit to the hall of fame. It was a public act that has a certain name in the music and rock industry whatever our opinion about it, and they inducted DS.

So, three of the four members credited at DS last record were there. One of the two legal DS members were there. At a ceremony in front of public, that would be broadcast at TV.

Thats the facts.

My opinion? Is quite similar to Dusty's or Val's or Dmg's but my opinion doesn't change the facts, and I'm talking about facts here.

[dustyvalentino]

Legally, DS are Mk and John.

And MK wasn't there so DS weren't there to be inducted.

"Fact" going by your logic.

Anyway, this is petty and pointless, especially as I don't care whether a tiny proportion of people are bothered by it. I'll still listen to the music with the same enjoyment that I ever had, this makes no difference to me.

[JF]

Most people will just think that DS is a cool old band. And I'm fine with that.

Yes I would be fine with that too. But I don't think it's the case. I mean "most" people
at least, here in France, Dire Straits is viewed as a 80 cheesy band. Pink Floyd is cool, but DS is not cool; that's what I tried to say in my article in december, and I thought that this induction would have changed the band's image, in fact I hoped it would do, but it seems I was wrong.
I ddidn't really know about RnRHof, I thought it was a "serious" thing, but indeed after reading articles, links posted here, this discussion, etc... I now tend to think you all are right, it was not THAT important.
Ok, but I keep a strange feeling of bitterness though