Live recordings

[binone]

There is another important thing;

If this campaign is a dissaster, we won

[Jules]

Well, maybe if they made offers like "Buy three and get a discount" they will be more succesful...

Anyway there are other options that offer cds with their card covers and everything that make it cheaper...

Real cds (no lossy recording) with their cardcovers... AND CHEAPER!!!!

Look at this, Peter Gabriel recordings:

CD- 15 dollars http://www.themusic.com/search.cfm?encore=87&sidebar=encore_list&keyword=North%20American%20CD:

They also have a usb option with a microphone shape at 20 dollars.

[ds1984]

Myself also fint this expensive as I am on the "I want all the shows" mode.

I won't get hypocrit on the matter, I will buy some and get the rest otherwise. Just as simple as that

Strange that someone like Mark that is attached to "hi quality" he still don't sell his live show on Flac format. Already when issued by Simfy you were able to buy Supertramp lossless live cd.

[Jules]

Maybe MK or his manager consider that he is so high profile that asks loads of money to the company that do this thing and the only way they have to get their money back is lossless and high prices...

If the same company sells different artists with different prices, the difference must comes from any factor...

[dmg]

Myself also fint this expensive as I am on the "I want all the shows" mode.

I won't get hypocrit on the matter, I will buy some and get the rest otherwise. Just as simple as that

Strange that someone like Mark that is attached to "hi quality" he still don't sell his live show on Flac format. Already when issued by Simfy you were able to buy Supertramp lossless live cd.

Good point.  Guy Fletcher - on his forum - is always harping on about BG being top quality this and that and mp3's being crap and tinny sounding, yet when it comes to releasing their concerts to the fans at considerable expense...

Something else to bear in mind is that the company dealing with this may just pay MK/PCM a certain amount up-front and then take care of the rest themselves, including taking all the profits (or maybe giving MK/PCM a percentage).  This would include marketing, pricing etc.  The folk at PCM probably have nothing to do with any of it, all they did was to look for a company who did this sort of thing and asked them if they wanted to do the MK 2013 tour.  They said yes and they would look into it.  Just a theory.

[rudiger]

let's hope that if they will film some show they will not release it on video-cd format 

[vgonis]

If the primary target group is people after the concert, a small file size is the best thing to use. Having the empty USBs, plugging them, fillinf them up is seconds and giving them. A bigger format might take a bit longer. But I guess they could offer it to the ones from home or as an additional download bonus.

[ds1984]

let's hope that if they will film some show they will not release it on video-cd format 

VCD rule over crappy VHS quality.

I guess Privateering Tour will be shot and issued on 4K super HD format.
But prior to this I enjoy the Montreux 2010 BR in glorious 3D   

[herlock]

Myself also fint this expensive as I am on the "I want all the shows" mode.

I won't get hypocrit on the matter, I will buy some and get the rest otherwise. Just as simple as that

Strange that someone like Mark that is attached to "hi quality" he still don't sell his live show on Flac format. Already when issued by Simfy you were able to buy Supertramp lossless live cd.

Good point.  Guy Fletcher - on his forum - is always harping on about BG being top quality this and that and mp3's being crap and tinny sounding, yet when it comes to releasing their concerts to the fans at considerable expense...

Something else to bear in mind is that the company dealing with this may just pay MK/PCM a certain amount up-front and then take care of the rest themselves, including taking all the profits (or maybe giving MK/PCM a percentage).  This would include marketing, pricing etc.  The folk at PCM probably have nothing to do with any of it, all they did was to look for a company who did this sort of thing and asked them if they wanted to do the MK 2013 tour.  They said yes and they would look into it.  Just a theory.

320kb/s mp3 is not crap.
It is a little less perfect than CD, which is perfect.
This being said it is true that on 4gb keys they could issue flac files, from which you could generate mp3 if you wish.
They might be afraid that it takes a little effort to get flac working on iPods and that people may be rebutted by this..
Oh well. I care way more about the mastering and mixing than the delivery format. For live rock 320kb/s mp3 is perfectly adequate.

[dmg]

Myself also fint this expensive as I am on the "I want all the shows" mode.

I won't get hypocrit on the matter, I will buy some and get the rest otherwise. Just as simple as that

Strange that someone like Mark that is attached to "hi quality" he still don't sell his live show on Flac format. Already when issued by Simfy you were able to buy Supertramp lossless live cd.

Good point.  Guy Fletcher - on his forum - is always harping on about BG being top quality this and that and mp3's being crap and tinny sounding, yet when it comes to releasing their concerts to the fans at considerable expense...

Something else to bear in mind is that the company dealing with this may just pay MK/PCM a certain amount up-front and then take care of the rest themselves, including taking all the profits (or maybe giving MK/PCM a percentage).  This would include marketing, pricing etc.  The folk at PCM probably have nothing to do with any of it, all they did was to look for a company who did this sort of thing and asked them if they wanted to do the MK 2013 tour.  They said yes and they would look into it.  Just a theory.

320kb/s mp3 is not crap.
It is a little less perfect than CD, which is perfect.
This being said it is true that on 4gb keys they could issue flac files, from which you could generate mp3 if you wish.
They might be afraid that it takes a little effort to get flac working on iPods and that people may be rebutted by this..
Oh well. I care way more about the mastering and mixing than the delivery format. For live rock 320kb/s mp3 is perfectly adequate.

Yes, the mastering is important.  I didn't like the Simfy job at all.

I only wrote "crap" as it was the word I thought Guy used, but as I wasn't 100% sure, I didn't want to put it in inverted comma's. Not necessarily my opinion.

Personally I can tell the difference and even if the human ear can only hear up to a 20kHz ceiling surely having music that can go much higher is better because it has not reached it's capacity.  It's like driving a car on the UK motorway (where the speed limit is 70 miles/hr) which has a top speed of only 70 miles/hr.  You would be far better to choose a car that can do 130miles/hr, for example because it will cruise effortlessly at the legal limit.  Does that make any sense at all?

The higher the ceiling or wider the bandwidth then surely the better, even if it is outwith the catchment of human hearing.  And don't forget we lose out high frequency capacity as we age!

At the end of the day we can look at graphs, tables and stats and they prove nothing much - 99% of people know that!   It's really what we think is okay for our own ear.

[binone]

Guy said: "I cannot comment on that yet" about a CD recording question in RAH.

What do you think? 

[herlock]

Myself also fint this expensive as I am on the "I want all the shows" mode.

I won't get hypocrit on the matter, I will buy some and get the rest otherwise. Just as simple as that

Strange that someone like Mark that is attached to "hi quality" he still don't sell his live show on Flac format. Already when issued by Simfy you were able to buy Supertramp lossless live cd.

Good point.  Guy Fletcher - on his forum - is always harping on about BG being top quality this and that and mp3's being crap and tinny sounding, yet when it comes to releasing their concerts to the fans at considerable expense...

Something else to bear in mind is that the company dealing with this may just pay MK/PCM a certain amount up-front and then take care of the rest themselves, including taking all the profits (or maybe giving MK/PCM a percentage).  This would include marketing, pricing etc.  The folk at PCM probably have nothing to do with any of it, all they did was to look for a company who did this sort of thing and asked them if they wanted to do the MK 2013 tour.  They said yes and they would look into it.  Just a theory.

320kb/s mp3 is not crap.
It is a little less perfect than CD, which is perfect.
This being said it is true that on 4gb keys they could issue flac files, from which you could generate mp3 if you wish.
They might be afraid that it takes a little effort to get flac working on iPods and that people may be rebutted by this..
Oh well. I care way more about the mastering and mixing than the delivery format. For live rock 320kb/s mp3 is perfectly adequate.

Yes, the mastering is important.  I didn't like the Simfy job at all.

I only wrote "crap" as it was the word I thought Guy used, but as I wasn't 100% sure, I didn't want to put it in inverted comma's. Not necessarily my opinion.

Personally I can tell the difference and even if the human ear can only hear up to a 20kHz ceiling surely having music that can go much higher is better because it has not reached it's capacity.  It's like driving a car on the UK motorway (where the speed limit is 70 miles/hr) which has a top speed of only 70 miles/hr.  You would be far better to choose a car that can do 130miles/hr, for example because it will cruise effortlessly at the legal limit.  Does that make any sense at all?

The higher the ceiling or wider the bandwidth then surely the better, even if it is outwith the catchment of human hearing.  And don't forget we lose out high frequency capacity as we age!

At the end of the day we can look at graphs, tables and stats and they prove nothing much - 99% of people know that!   It's really what we think is okay for our own ear.

Higher sampling rates than 44.1khz and bit depth greater than 16 actually make a lot of sense... For the production process, where you are mixing many sources and want to make sure you do not loose any information with rounding and interference issues.
They do not make sense at all for the playback of the final product.

[Love Expresso]

I think it's quite remarkable that MK allows the first show of a tour to be made available as a recording. Normally, he has his safety net for let's say, 10, 15 shows into the tour - trying some things out, normally developing songs or deciding to ditch them. Remember the lots of songs on the US leg of the 2010 tour? From London on, it was pretty much the same set list. Maybe we will have a chance to get more song variety this time around. Will be tough to decide for which concert I will pay 30

[Jules]

If the primary target group is people after the concert, a small file size is the best thing to use. Having the empty USBs, plugging them, fillinf them up is seconds and giving them. A bigger format might take a bit longer. But I guess they could offer it to the ones from home or as an additional download bonus.

The usb are delivered by post after the concert, not in the show, at least that is what I understand.

[Fieneke2]

Someone said it right, with the kick-off concert, the chances to get a show that might be a little longer is big enough to buy the first one on a stick.
I don't see the necessarity of pre-order, however.

As I  will attend three shows only I was willing to buy all these three, but as London will not be available, I eagerly hope for a DVD/Blu-Ray release ( of the first night.)

LE

I am also glad that we have the possibility to buy music of the concert we visit and I will buy the music of Amsterdam, BUT just like the others I think the sticks are very expensive! Although the guitar stick looks great, I would prefer downloading for lower costs like we did after the Get Lucky Tour.

Btw just like LE I am not sure yet if I will pre-order or buy the music after the concert. Imagine when I pre-order and buy the stick now, while they decide during the Tour that we also are able to download the concert we visit!

It is a pity that we aren