HAPPY BIRTHDAY VGONIS !!!!

[JF]

I like greek yogourht with maple sirup

[Justme]

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[Mona Dee]

Thanks again for the kind words!
And now let me ask you something completely different: how is it to you, people from Ellada, being known by everyone else as greeks and not hellenes? Is there some sort of disapointment in this?
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Interesting question ! I think most of the people know the correct name "Hellas" or  (I try to write Elada in greek letters, but it didn`t work here) ...that is the reason, that "my" yoghurt is called "Elinas" ;  people think of Greece and know, what kind of yoghurt it is.
You all call my country Germany, although my home is "Deutschland". For me that is only a matter of language.

Or does it mean more , vgonis ?

[Justme]

Btw, a company that has been mentioned in this thread is well known to take the taxpayer's money (then called subsidies) to move the production frequently when interest margins become bigger in other countries. Some say (sounding like J. Clarkson here) that even the cows contributing milk for their products are are being fed with genetically engineered forage. In that case there is no obligation to declare trails of genetically engineered content. Mmh, you gotta love that laws made by the industry....

Sorry for bringing this up in your birthday thread, VGonis. But I couldn't resist....

 

[nababo]

You all call my country Germany, although my home is "Deutschland". For me that is only a matter of language.

Here in Brazil, we call your country "Alemanha". If we literally translated Deutschland into Portuguese, it would end up as something like "Teutol

[Mona Dee]

Btw, a company that has been mentioned in this thread is well known to take the taxpayer's money (then called subsidies) to move the production frequently when interest margins become bigger in other countries. Some say (sounding like J. Clarkson here) that even the cows contributing milk for their products are are being fed with genetically engineered forage. In that case there is no obligation to declare trails of genetically engineered content. Mmh, you gotta love that laws made by the industry....

Sorry for bringing this up in your birthday thread, VGonis. But I couldn't resist....

 

Yes, you are right, Justme. And I

[Mona Dee]

You all call my country Germany, although my home is "Deutschland". For me that is only a matter of language.

Here in Brazil, we call your country "Alemanha". If we literally translated Deutschland into Portuguese, it would end up as something like "Teutol

[nababo]

You all call my country Germany, although my home is "Deutschland". For me that is only a matter of language.

Here in Brazil, we call your country "Alemanha". If we literally translated Deutschland into Portuguese, it would end up as something like "Teutol

[Mona Dee]

There was a tribe in early middleages called the "Alemannen" ..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alemanni

And there was a tribe called "Teutonen"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teutons

And  the "Germanen", means all the tribes that spoke the language German.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_peoples

[Mona Dee]

And now I know, where the word "Deutsch" is coming from. Honestly : I had to search it at Wikipedia, shame on me 

The German term Deutschland (originally diutisciu land, "the German lands") is derived from deutsch, descended from Old High German diutisc "popular" (i.e. belonging to the diot or diota "people"), originally used to distinguish the language of the common people from Latin and its Romance descendants. This in turn descends from Proto-Germanic *

[dmg]

You all call my country Germany, although my home is "Deutschland". For me that is only a matter of language.

Here in Brazil, we call your country "Alemanha". If we literally translated Deutschland into Portuguese, it would end up as something like "Teutol

[nababo]

You all call my country Germany, although my home is "Deutschland". For me that is only a matter of language.

Here in Brazil, we call your country "Alemanha". If we literally translated Deutschland into Portuguese, it would end up as something like "Teutol

[Justme]

Btw, a company that has been mentioned in this thread is well known to take the taxpayer's money (then called subsidies) to move the production frequently when interest margins become bigger in other countries. Some say (sounding like J. Clarkson here) that even the cows contributing milk for their products are are being fed with genetically engineered forage. In that case there is no obligation to declare trails of genetically engineered content. Mmh, you gotta love that laws made by the industry....

Sorry for bringing this up in your birthday thread, VGonis. But I couldn't resist....

 

Yes, you are right, Justme. And I

[vgonis]

Sorry for going away! Had to blow some candles!
Glad I have done so. Very interesting information about genetically mutated products and the various names of Germany.
So Romans and Latin actually play a vital part in at least one of the names of Germany as well!!!
So here is what I have written:

Nice of you to ask Nababo. There are several  ancient sources about the two names (actually there is a third but used very little nowRomi-i) , none of them better than the other, but the name/word Greek in few of these sources is related with a negative meaning. But since it has to do with sources written by the Romans, the ones that actually gave us this name, it is natural to have such a meaning. As I have mentioned all names have ancient origin (greek most probably from an old town at Viotia or a hellenic tribe) .
But it is a name, that for most people abroad has only the meaning of what they think  it describes. If they think people living here are bad, it doesn't matter how you call  us. Of course the etymology of a name has a special weight that is used by historians and some times the politicians. For instance, the Arabian and muslim world know Greece and Greeks as Younan and Yuns, a name coming from an othe ancient hellenic territory Ionia (placed in Asia Minor territory, where today is Turkey).  So in the case of Greece and Ellada, both names are justified, since in fact they have the same ancient origin.   

[vgonis]

Time to put the children to bed. I might be back later.  If you have the time, step into my blogs for some reading about modern Greece:
http://greeceindirestraits.blogspot.gr/2013/03/a-reply-to-economist.html
Or if you don't have that much time here are some photos:
http://vassilisgonis.wordpress.com/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/vassilis_d_gonis/