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Re: drummers
« Reply #30 on: October 08, 2012, 11:39:01 PM »
Well, of course drumming, like all music, is subjective.
Pick Withers: absolutely LOVE his drumming on the first 2 albums. Perfect fit for MK's style at the time.
Terry Williams: wonderful high energy rock drummer; I think his playing coaxed a lot of MK's playing; especially on AlChemy. However, he was a bit of a bull in a china shop on some of the mellower pieces.
Omar Hakim: One of the finest drummers in the world; some wonderfully subtle playing on BIA
Jeff Porcaro/Manu Katche: Wonderful session drummers, would've loved to have seen one of them on the OES tour.
Chris Whitten: Good player, just never really did anything for me. (Danny Cumming's percussion playing was fantastic on that tour)
Chad Cromwell: Good player, capable of coaxing some high energy performances out of MK.
Danny Cummings: Never did it for me as a drummer. Wonderful percussionist, just not a good enough kit player for an artist of MK's stature.
Ian Thomas: Awesome player, big improvement on Danny. Love his groove and looking forward to seeing him on Wednesday.

IMHO high energy drummers seem to illicit more high energy performances out of MK. In a live setting, the drummer is SO important!

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Re: drummers
« Reply #31 on: October 09, 2012, 09:06:38 AM »
100% agree with last 2 posts

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Re: drummers
« Reply #32 on: October 09, 2012, 09:46:36 PM »
Chris Whitten said that MK said that...

Chris Whitten, that literally killed SOS.

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Re: drummers
« Reply #33 on: May 13, 2013, 11:52:24 AM »
After 2  2013 attended shows I can start to make my minds about Ian in the place of Danny.

I am not a drummer nor a real musician so my words may be not 100% technicaly accurate but I rely on feeling during SOS.

During the Danny's years, SOS was the highlight of drumming, I could just concentrate on his palying and enjoy it.

One thing to do such a thing  is as a quite big MK concert goer I could have the luxury to concentrate on one instrument without feeling spoiling my pleasure of the song, I had enough nights to attend that I could mute in my mind on one or too night the rest of the musicians.
The second reason is that SOS turned to be not as enjoyable as it used to be, so let take pleasure were you can.

So although not academic drum playing I had real joice listening the sole Mr Horsepower on that song, it was "a show in the show". Really fun to witness and to listen.

On the other side Ian's drumming sounds quite different than Danny's, I did not have the same pleasure to only concentrate on it, there is not the same entertertaining feel.

BUT what a drummer, because the result for the song as a whole sound just better. I mean that the 2013 drum part, strong tempo, is really to serve the song, so what you a are loosing in the "fun swing" is rewarded by an overall better performance of SOS.

I put Ian in the category of player that you won't particulary notice when he is in but you will notice the absence when is isn't.
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Re: drummers
« Reply #34 on: May 13, 2013, 12:06:22 PM »
Although Ian
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Re: drummers
« Reply #35 on: May 13, 2013, 12:10:39 PM »

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Re: drummers
« Reply #36 on: May 13, 2013, 12:26:51 PM »
But it's the way Sultans had to be played ins't it?
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Re: drummers
« Reply #37 on: May 13, 2013, 01:34:07 PM »
No, the way its mean to be its smooth, like Pick Whithers used to play. It adds to the groove.

The way Whitten and Thomas play it, adds noise.
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Re: drummers
« Reply #38 on: May 13, 2013, 01:40:22 PM »
No, the way its mean to be its smooth, like Pick Whithers used to play. It adds to the groove.

The way Whitten and Thomas play it, adds noise.

I had contrary fellings about this.

at first I alwasy prefered the alchemy version, with more power, more up-tempo, more "rock"

but my friend-drummer made me listen carrefully the studio version, and indeed, the Pick style fits more to the song.


A strange thing is that we (mostly) all love when sultans is "energic" "up-tempo" "fast", with power"...

but this song is about a little jazz band. it's about SWING. the music should be "laid back", smooth, cool, "pub style", not the stadium-rock-tune as it evolved in 80-81, and 82-83.

I think that the way it has been played during 80ies and 90ies  (althgought I love it ) is in contradiction with that this song is all about

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Re: drummers
« Reply #39 on: May 13, 2013, 01:54:19 PM »
No, the way its mean to be its smooth, like Pick Whithers used to play. It adds to the groove.

The way Whitten and Thomas play it, adds noise.

I had contrary fellings about this.

at first I alwasy prefered the alchemy version, with more power, more up-tempo, more "rock"

but my friend-drummer made me listen carrefully the studio version, and indeed, the Pick style fits more to the song.


A strange thing is that we (mostly) all love when sultans is "energic" "up-tempo" "fast", with power"...

but this song is about a little jazz band. it's about SWING. the music should be "laid back", smooth, cool, "pub style", not the stadium-rock-tune as it evolved in 80-81, and 82-83.

I think that the way it has been played during 80ies and 90ies  (althgought I love it ) is in contradiction with that this song is all about

I understand what you say, but it isn't about what we should like (because that's what the song's about), but what we do like!  Isn't that the main thing? :)
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Re: drummers
« Reply #40 on: May 13, 2013, 02:54:13 PM »
No, the way its mean to be its smooth, like Pick Whithers used to play. It adds to the groove.

The way Whitten and Thomas play it, adds noise.

I had contrary fellings about this.

at first I alwasy prefered the alchemy version, with more power, more up-tempo, more "rock"

but my friend-drummer made me listen carrefully the studio version, and indeed, the Pick style fits more to the song.


A strange thing is that we (mostly) all love when sultans is "energic" "up-tempo" "fast", with power"...

but this song is about a little jazz band. it's about SWING. the music should be "laid back", smooth, cool, "pub style", not the stadium-rock-tune as it evolved in 80-81, and 82-83.

I think that the way it has been played during 80ies and 90ies  (althgought I love it ) is in contradiction with that this song is all about

But how much Mark does care with the meaning.

He saw musical potential in that song and developped it (especially during the 198/1981 era when almost everything DS has done before had been re arranged) and then went back to the recorded form. I don't know if it was conciously done or that just it hapened but Mark did adapt the song to the fact they had become big  and then huge, ending by louding it with a sax part. And the "rock oriented" drumming part, on a pure musical level, also fit the the song. 

After it is a personnal matter of taste, I like both but my fave goes to 91-96 versions, all with heavy drumming mode. Now I miss the piano break (although what Jim did in '96 was sort "uuh") and then the interplay with the guitar and don't get with the  keyboard addition on the first part as featured between 1980-1989.


About Ian use of cymbals, to my ears I have more memories of Danny using them than Ian..
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Re: drummers
« Reply #41 on: May 13, 2013, 03:06:07 PM »
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« Reply #42 on: May 13, 2013, 03:10:15 PM »
I've been to the concert in Berlin a few days ago and I was really angry about Ian's drumming. IMHO he butchered "What It Is" and particularly "Telegraph Road". The latter one sounded like a marching band during the outro  :disbelief

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Re: drummers
« Reply #43 on: May 13, 2013, 05:23:08 PM »
To date I did not pay attention on the drumming for TR. Was too occuped with Mark during the end solo. Chad was great on it.
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Re: drummers
« Reply #44 on: May 13, 2013, 05:33:38 PM »
To date I did not pay attention on the drumming for TR. Was too occuped with Mark during the end solo. Chad was great on it.

I love Terry's crash cymbals during the outro the Alchemy version

 

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