Unrelesead Wag the Dog songs

[nababo]

Wikipedia tells me that there are at least 3 unrelesead song from the film Wag the dog. I assume that "The american dream", and "The men of the 303" are both written by MK, due to the similarity between the pieces heard on the movie with the soundtrack. But in the final credits of the film, "God old shoe" is said to be written by Willie Nelson.

After all this introduction, my question is: Were they ever caught out from the movie to be listened to independently? Anyone has these songs?

[Pottel]

Man I loved that movie and music...

[nababo]

Man I loved that movie and music...

Yes indeed sir. I have favourite songs from other soundtracks, like Wild theme, Smooching, Going home, The long road, but I think about Wag the dog as the best set of music in MK's OST universe.

In other way, I was reading about "The american dream" and "The men of the 303" on imdb.com, and according to the site they were written by Tom B

[Jules]

I read in the Rockaway Fanzine about 1997 that MK composed a song title "Good Old Shoe" for the movie, but the producers didnt like it.

I was surprised when I saw Willie Nelson singing a song with that title, so I guess MK song was rejected and forgotten.

The other two tracks mentioned in wikipedia have nothing to do with MK, or at least I never heard any link with him.

[Vesper]

 

 

 

[nababo]

 

 

Nice!!!!! Thanks

[JF]

Wag the dog is my fav Mark's soundtrack

if memory serves, "just instinct" is not in the film.

I think it was composed at first for the sequence where the farmer wants to catch the gril, according to song title 

but in the end, they put "drooling national" instead

[JF]

what annoys me in soundtracks releases is that you never got the full music used on the movie

When I was a teen I used to record film music directly from my TV on cassette.

Many years later, I purchased  soundractks on Cd and I was most of the time disapointed by missing parts, on stuff like :
Morricone, Kosma, Delerue, Hermann, Bernstein

even the Paris texas soundtrack doesn't have the "mexico song" in intrumental version like on teh film
even Local herao doesn't have all freeway flyer stuff like on the film
etc...

and the "honky tonk man" soundtrcaks whichis really beautiful, with eastwood singin was never released

Sometimes you have "more" music than in the film, but not in the  exactly same version

and what I always found strange : the music isn't put in the movie chronological ordrer.

So  I wonder, how does it works :

1) music is recorded by the composer, to make it listen to the producer / director
2) music is mixed during the movie editing
3) then the soundtrack is released, and sometimes you have a different take


a) is the music re-recorded for the release ?  To have more an "album" touch ?

or :

b) the director gaves indication to the composer, and the music was re-recorded for film editing to fit scenes length, but after, they decided to put the "original" recording on the soundtrack release ?

what do you think ?

[nababo]

1) music is recorded by the composer, to make it listen to the producer / director
2) music is mixed during the movie editing
3) then the soundtrack is released, and sometimes you have a different take

a) is the music re-recorded for the release ?  To have more an "album" touch ?
or :
b) the director gaves indication to the composer, and the music was re-recorded for film editing to fit scenes length, but after, they decided to put the "original" recording on the soundtrack release ?
what do you think ?

Well I guess both things may happen. Sometimes the pieces employed in the movie are shortened to better fit the scene, sometimes the composer makes little adjustments and prefers to release the original form of the song.
I also guess there are occasions in which the composer is comissioned to record a specific theme for a specific scene and he feels it just fits in the movie, not in the soundtrack, and leaves it out.

And it's quite possible, even probable, that the composer doesn't have any word on the use of his songs on the score at all and, more, in the release of the soundtrack. The producers just hire him to do the songs and they do whatever they want with the work they contracted.

[nababo]

Well, maybe the other songs that appear on Wag the dog which were not written by MK could be released in a different soundtrack.
It's frequent to find a score, made specifically for the movie, and a soundtrack with songs thtat aren't original or at least were not composed by the artist comissioned to do it.

[Jules]

There are some boots that gather many cuts composed and played by MK for his films that are not in the cd soundtracks:

http://direstraits.rockmetal.art.pl/tvcuts.html

http://www.oneverybootleg.nl/raremovie.htm

http://www.oneverybootleg.nl/raremovie2.htm

The first one was made by me years ago, before I had the fims on dvd, so the cuts are taken from vhs videos connected to my computer, it could be done again with far better sound, but too lazy for that...

Many cuts in many films, different takes, cuts not in the cd but in the films...

[vgonis]

I believe that soundtracks as separate products wouldn't exist if it wasn't for a couple of reasons. First they produce unexpected hits, that in turn help the movie gain in status and it is a strong advertisement. Secondly, directors hire musicians either because they already like a released tune and want to use it or because they are impressed with the whole body of work and believe that they will receive a nice-fitting new song/tune if they ask.
In all cases you might end up with a fine result that pleases everybody and suits the original purpose that is actually to intensify the strength of some movie scenes, or displeases everybody, even the musician. So they have to use whichever take from the music recorded they think fit. And then if they believe that the soundtrack would attract attention and have sales they issue it. (Or if they have signed a contract about issuing it before.Last Exit to Brooklyn is a strong movie with a fitting soundtrack but rather weak to stand on its own, but it was released because Mark had a following. It is easier to find the soundtrack than the movie.)
But apart from the 1 or 2 main themes (one for the titles and one inside the movie) the rest are dimmed as fillers - not necessarily bad- but more like loose ideas/musical soundscape that have not taken a distinctive shape as to call them musical pieces. And usually the ones that are too small or don't stick to your mind are left out of the soundtrack.
And in many  occasions the soundtracks are released before or simultaneously with  the movie to act as an add, so rarely have I seen a revised soundtrack.

[Pottel]

that's funny Jbaent, on my laptop i got daft punk live playing, and the beat seems to fit Terry Williams playing exactly...lol

[Pottel]

good example of this is what i posted in another thread, the great Neil Young on the Dead man soundtrack, ....best song is simply not effing on it!!

[vgonis]

Pottel that is another reason there. Leave some of the exceptional music out of the OST, in order to go see the movie.