Censorship in the "life in songs" documentary on the SD box !!!

[herlock]

300% agree with all said, but I think the best complaint to the record company would have been to not buy the SD box set....

You hit me where it hurts...
I cannot blame myself enough.
The normal double CD is great value.
The deluxe edition has way less value than it should have, a full 2011 concert was what we needed here - but at least, the price increment is very small, so the package is still good value.
The SD thing has almost no value. The only significant item is the 3 extra song CD. Which is a disguting way of ripping fans off... for GL it was the same, just keep 3 songs out of the album, which at least one very good one, so that people will have to buy the expensive stuff. We had Home Boy in 2009 and Occupation Blues now. But at least in 2009, you got what you paid for. No lies in the advertisement. No censored DVD and no so-called "full concert" at a lowest bitrate than Simfy.

Shame on me for buying it. Shame on me ! and above all: shame of them !

Mark, you are God in your universe, you could stop the shame by just lifting your little finger, why did you give up on us ??

[Jules]

So...
If I got it right... There are two versions of the dvd.  The first one that arrived to the stores (And probably the one that Pottel has) and the one that was delayed because they deleted parts due to copyright issues?

[herlock]

So...
If I got it right... There are two versions of the dvd.  The first one that arrived to the stores (And probably the one that Pottel has) and the one that was delayed because they deleted parts due to copyright issues?

That was an hypothesis, but I seriously doubt it.
I personnally think there was only one version, the butchered one, and that the censorship has nothing to do with any rights issue, and more to do with the fact that they just dirty everything they touch...

[Jules]

So...
If I got it right... There are two versions of the dvd.  The first one that arrived to the stores (And probably the one that Pottel has) and the one that was delayed because they deleted parts due to copyright issues?

That was an hypothesis, but I seriously doubt it.
I personnally think there was only one version, the butchered one, and that the censorship has nothing to do with any rights issue, and more to do with the fact that they just dirty everything they touch...

I always thought that do it wrong, as they do, is more difficult that do it right...

Do you want to put a concert for download? Just put something unreleased, like a 2011 tour

No, they put something that they already sold, and taking off one song

Do you want to add a dvd? Just put unreleased material, a live dvd or at least the Privateering EPK, something worth

No, they put a documentary broadcasted and rebroadcasted every now and then

Do you want to put a cd with extra songs? Ok, lets do it

But leave out two tracks for digital stores apart, that you have to buy not individually, but with the whole record...

Do you want to include the cd version in the box? Of course, if you buy the box you may have all there, so put the 3cd version

No, put the standard, so people will have to buy at least two versions to have everything...

And go on...

[vgonis]

Psychology. Simple as that. If you are a fan you have to have a proof of that. You buy an artifact, may that be a record a t-shirt or a book. You are in the state of mind that all these have to be "official" and that since they are limited, more expensive. So if you don't buy them, you do not belong to the chosen few best fans. If you allow yourself to look at it from outside, you will realize that only a tiny bit has to do with the real issue here, which is music. Or is it economics? Or maybe the very core of the human   being, sanity.

I am in if we can prepare a formal complaint. I surely hope someone with good skills in English and law helps us with it. And I don't even mind leaving the law outside. It has a logic of its own. We are fooled fans.
So lean from your windows and shout:"I am mad as hell, and I'm not gonna take it anymore"

[dmg]

Psychology. Simple as that. If you are a fan you have to have a proof of that. You buy an artifact, may that be a record a t-shirt or a book. You are in the state of mind that all these have to be "official" and that since they are limited, more expensive. So if you don't buy them, you do not belong to the chosen few best fans. If you allow yourself to look at it from outside, you will realize that only a tiny bit has to do with the real issue here, which is music. Or is it economics? Or maybe the very core of the human   being, sanity.

I am in if we can prepare a formal complaint. I surely hope someone with good skills in English and law helps us with it. And I don't even mind leaving the law outside. It has a logic of its own. We are fooled fans.
So lean from your windows and shout:"I am mad as hell, and I'm not gonna take it anymore"

Damn right!  I wish you every success with your complaint because it has 100% validity and no one can deny that.

[vgonis]

dmg, there are several issues to face before a complaint. The problem here is that the one solid thing  we can pursue is the TR/full concert thing.
As I mentioned way before the release, the regular answer that cover their asses is:"Don't want, don't buy"
The fact that we have been stating  that this is a rip-off, even before we bought it, doesn't make things better.

But a formal complaint is in order, and I really wait PMs from those that wish to join me. Help is also needed!
And even if I don't find supporters, I will go on by myself, but first I have to get a bloody copy of the album!!!! Can't do it without having evidence first hand. 

[dmg]

Today I received my first physical copy and it was the free copy from Universal!  Still waiting for my 3CD deluxe version from HMV.

I never looked at the MK.com site but if it said it was a full concert then that is a breach of the trade descriptions act 1968:  http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1968/29/pdfs/ukpga_19680029_en.pdf

Of course, they aren't stupid so may have covered themselves on this with some legal loophole;  perhaps it is not implemented on internet descriptions...

In any event, they may be willing to perform some sort of customer relations exercise with you.

[herlock]

I'm willing to contribute.
I agree that the TR/Full Concert is the only legal item. Although... I think we could also talk about the terrible communication which led some distributors (including FNAC in France, the #1) to WRITE that the SD box included the 5-song CD, moreoever presented as "Live tour 2011", whereas it is really rehearsal and not  "live"...
The letter could adress the legal stuff but also the moral one.
Also the business one: forcing the fans to buy two boxes to have everything is not moral, but it makes perfect sense expressed in dollars and cents (as RW would say); but putting there a 2010 show without TR instead of a 2011 is just plain stupid, because it costs nothing more and it would sell more boxes !!
So:
1) Illegal stuff
2) Unethical stuff
3) Plain stupid stuff

[daydreamer]

I never looked at the MK.com site but if it said it was a full concert then that is a breach of the trade descriptions act 1968:  http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1968/29/pdfs/ukpga_19680029_en.pdf

Of course, they aren't stupid so may have covered themselves on this with some legal loophole;  perhaps it is not implemented on internet descriptions...

In any event, they may be willing to perform some sort of customer relations exercise with you.

It's not only an internet description... It's even written on the backside of the box:

[ds1984]

I never looked at the MK.com site but if it said it was a full concert then that is a breach of the trade descriptions act 1968:  http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1968/29/pdfs/ukpga_19680029_en.pdf

Of course, they aren't stupid so may have covered themselves on this with some legal loophole;  perhaps it is not implemented on internet descriptions...

In any event, they may be willing to perform some sort of customer relations exercise with you.

It's not only an internet description... It's even written on the backside of the box:

Does the word "full" means "complete" or "uncut" ?

Is the answer is yes then...

[pjh3121]

Caveat emptor.

[vgonis]

If TR was played at the encore it is not part of the set. Oh, bollocks. I shall complain for everything even for not making it clear. Logic is on our side. And on the next release they will know that we won't bite.

[Love Expresso]

Telegraph is usually the last song of the regular set I would presume. It is the grand finale - whereas from thereon, everything like Brothers, So Far and Pipers are so called "encores", but of course MK never really played a "real" encore in the last 15 years for sure.

LE

[Jules]

Exactly. I always asked myself why they call it encores, when its on the setlist since the start...

For me, an encore is songs they play at the end that were not planned to be played.

And I