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OfflineRkd

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Re: Mark releases a statement about Pussy Riot
« Reply #45 on: August 22, 2012, 08:55:06 PM »
... and I like your picture! It's that guy from the Heavy Fuel video, right?

Exactly.
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Re: Mark releases a statement about Pussy Riot
« Reply #46 on: August 22, 2012, 09:05:10 PM »
No better way to ruin a good friendship than to start discussing religion or politics.  I'm staying out of this one.
very Good Point Dusty, can we close this Topic people? Nothing Good can come from it...
any Knopfler, Floyd or Dylan will do....

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Re: Mark releases a statement about Pussy Riot
« Reply #47 on: August 22, 2012, 09:09:19 PM »
No better way to ruin a good friendship than to start discussing religion or politics.  I'm staying out of this one.

Yes, religion and politics are the way some people earn his life, taking profit from the rest...

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Re: Mark releases a statement about Pussy Riot
« Reply #48 on: August 22, 2012, 09:11:11 PM »
I think the main message was posted (mark made a statement) some like it, some not. End of story.
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Re: Mark releases a statement about Pussy Riot
« Reply #49 on: August 22, 2012, 09:17:30 PM »
I don't think the thread should be closed,  I was very interested to read Ustas' view.  The coverage is completely one sided in the uk so it's interesting to see  another viewpoint.
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Re: Mark releases a statement about Pussy Riot
« Reply #50 on: August 22, 2012, 09:20:49 PM »
This can develop in a not so nice discussion, reading your earlier post that is why I did so. .... Oh man,...choices...
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Re: Mark releases a statement about Pussy Riot
« Reply #51 on: August 22, 2012, 09:26:36 PM »
Well, I think that after last Ustas post the conversation remained calm about it, but I agree that the point of this thread was already achieved, so a closure would be fine, actually in cases like this, a board to post messages just to be read would be perfect.
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Re: Mark releases a statement about Pussy Riot
« Reply #52 on: August 22, 2012, 09:43:24 PM »
I think it's relevant - MK has released a "political" statement. This is a MK discussion forum.  As long as people respect each others' views then it's ok... but I'm still not getting involved. :)
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Re: Mark releases a statement about Pussy Riot
« Reply #53 on: August 23, 2012, 12:02:19 AM »
As long as people respect others views and stay nice to eachother it's no problem.
Everyone has to keep in mind that we live in different countries, grew up a different way and because of that have different opinions.
If you grew up with less freedom than for example in the Netherlands then every improvement is a good one, even when we as dutchies think there's not much freedom overthere.

If everyone keep that in mind it's fine. I liked to read Ustas view as well, it makes me understand more. It also makes me humble and happy to live in a country where freedom of speech and whatever more is really the first right.

If everyone first count to 10 before posting and re-read his writing to assure it's not inflammable, rude or disrespectful, discussions can be done.

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Re: Mark releases a statement about Pussy Riot
« Reply #54 on: August 23, 2012, 05:14:38 AM »
I'm enjoying this discussion, and very interested in Ustas's comments.   I think his comments on the history of the group are relevant and something to think about.     I don't agree with the repressive punishment, but like Ingrid, I am used to a society that allows free speech.   Whether we like it or not, not all governments have the same philosophy.    I think that back in 1975, the girls would have been shut down long before and the world would never have even heard of the issue.      Whether one agrees with them or not, the reality is that there is a price for civil disobedience, and yes, in the USA.     On the other hand, assassins and attempted assassins can end up in cushy sanitoriums with 'weekends off.'    Much too far the other way in my opinion.   
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Re: Mark releases a statement about Pussy Riot
« Reply #55 on: August 23, 2012, 09:12:15 AM »
pfeew, lucky me that i reopened this thread...
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Re: Mark releases a statement about Pussy Riot
« Reply #56 on: August 23, 2012, 09:43:24 AM »
Closing this thread (too early) might have been interpreted as a "statement" in a certain way, too, so it is nice that it is still open and will end "naturally" in a few days/weeks time!

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Re: Mark releases a statement about Pussy Riot
« Reply #57 on: August 23, 2012, 10:22:26 AM »
Thanks Pottel for re-opening. I really understand your concern, discussions about politics and religion can ruin friendships.
That's not the intention, so I hope people read the posts of Irisrose and me and try to react with in mind the view of people who grew up in a different country.

To make a comparison:
When you are grown up on a place on earth with hardly any food an water, you are happy to improve the quality of life by having a job and earn money. You are happy that you can buy food every day for yourself and your family and you feel rich.
We grew up in countries where it's all luxury, we have food, drinks, computers, concerts, buy stuff like TV's, laptops, iPhones, iPads, dishwashers etc. When we have to go back (say 5%) because of crisis everyone starts whining and grumbling because we have it so bad. We can't buy it all anymore, "only" one holiday a year or not a big flatscreen only a small one. Not able to buy a new laptop after 3 years but have to wait another 3 years. We feel poor.

Same goes with freedom of speech: when it was worse, you feel happy to have more freedom.
A lot of us only know that freedom of speech is a first right and we start to overreact sometimes:
You are allowed to say everything ..... but there's no NEED to say everything you might think of sometimes.
So try to think before you speak, others may be insulted or hurt. We have to live in a multicultural environment which is called world, everyone is living and thinking from a different perspective.

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Re: Mark releases a statement about Pussy Riot
« Reply #58 on: August 23, 2012, 10:42:01 AM »
Ingrid, I totally agree , thanks for the post.

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Re: Mark releases a statement about Pussy Riot
« Reply #59 on: September 03, 2012, 11:46:20 PM »
Is anyone surprised that Mark has chosen to do shows in Russia in 2013?

 

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