Communiqu

[vgonis]

Peculiar think to see it from a distance, and 35 years from the first album is a pretty big distance. But MM and BiA must be the only DS albums that actually were in "line" with the music trends of the time they were released. On the other hand, both albums are full of songs that stand the test of time, a feature other albums from those times fail to accomplice, either production wise or as as ... solid compositions.
Surely MM has a production that is not indicative of the time it was recorded, while BiA, shouts "EIGHTIES". Then again, if you listen-compare with the other million seller artist, Bruce Springsteen, who also had an album full of good songs released a year before, you will find that the synth sound is the one that did the damage. I still like both albums, but listening to Born in the USA, I find the production and instrumentation somehow dated, while BiA is more like showing "where it came from", than age. Such a pity, since his 1980 album The river, recorded by Neil Dorfsman (ring a bell?) is as timeless as MM sound. 

[Rollergirl]

( the awful OES which I've never bought)

how can you find it awful if you have never bought it, and therefore, one would assume, never listened to as God (or Mark at least  ) intended (as a whole, on some proper equipment, more than once)


just wondering...

[vgonis]

( the awful OES which I've never bought)

how can you find it awful if you have never bought it, and therefore, one would assume, never listened to as God (or Mark at least  ) intended (as a whole, on some proper equipment, more than once)


just wondering...

Now Rollergirl, you are pulling the same stand you did to me with "Kill to get Crimson".  Well I tell you it ain't gonna work, because OES is actually a terrific album.     Only the three international singles were below average, (Calling Elvis is unbearable to listen, don't try and change my mind ). But the fact that he never bought it, is not a good argument. Do you buy all the clothes you try on? I try many albums and only buy the ones with the best artwork. And Dire straits always had the best covers 

[Rollergirl]

Haha! you got me Vgonis, I am going on one of my crusades again  .

Personally, I can only judge if I like an album or not by listening to it and by listening to it, I mean the way I described earlier.

I am curious about how others do it.


(And of the record I never tried to change your mind about what you like or not, I just reacted at the way you expressed your dislike of KTGC by saying it is poor songwritting )

[jakehadlee]

( the awful OES which I've never bought)

how can you find it awful if you have never bought it, and therefore, one would assume, never listened to as God (or Mark at least  ) intended (as a whole, on some proper equipment, more than once)


just wondering...

Ive heard it enough to know. The Bug is a decent song, no more - the rest just sounds like lift music and/or an attempt to replicate the formula of BIA that doesn't come off.

Not surprised MK called time on DS after that - he'd run out of steam with the project. The fact he got back to writing good songs again after going solo shows it was a good call.

[Jackal]

OES was the first CD I bought, at the age of 15, and I think I played it to death. As with most other things, music should be enjoyed in moderation or at least the "diet" should be varied. I've had my share of musical overdoses, first it was DS, then it was bluegrass. Too much bluegrass these days makes me feel physically sick, and any attempt at running through the entire DS catalog only makes me sympathize all the more with Mark's desire to move on.

[ds1984]

PONO is nothing but incredibly outstanding.
OES is a dark album and is in the same vein of Communiqu

[Pottel]

Phono? Wtf?

[Hophead]

I'm guessing "Planet of New Orleans"..just a guess mind you.
Don't know why anyone would completely neglect OES..."Calling Elvis", "Iron Hand", "When it comes to you" and the title cut are good songs.

[dustyvalentino]

OES still stands up as a very good album. Better now in fact than it was when it came out and it was overhyped to an extent.

[jakehadlee]

I know lots of people who really like OES, but for me it just sticks out as the one where MK overcomplicated his playing and the production in order to cover up for weak songs - to quote dustyvalentino's sig, he was trying to polish a doo-doo.

Compare the songs on OES to the stuff from the first four albums, or some of the songs on Sailing to Philadelphia for instance, and they're just not in the same class.

Each to their own though - just my tastes I guess.

[JF]

OES is my least fav DS album too

I think that DS would have been more a "cult" rock band if it ended up with BIA

I've discovered DS in 88 when they were no longer in vogue

The mandela gig was a sort of reunion, with " a tear in the eyes" like they were introduced, but I thought that it was "over", DS would be a band of the past. And it had a certain "aura"


Then came OES, and it made a strange feeling to me : I was glad to hear new songs from my fav band, and was able to see them in concert, but in the same time, I knew it wasn't the "real" DS, and it lost part of his magic feeling.
It looked like a commercial comme back, with Virgin sponsor and so on.
and the gig I attented in 92 was abit disapointed to me : far from the stage, standard setlist, no surprises, etc...

I had far far more fun in 96

Sometimes I think that if I've never saw DS live, it would have been more "cult" in my mind, thinking of the 80 era.
The OES era ruined a bit the magic I put in this band.

Don't get me wrong, I like some OES songs, and some live arrangements in 91-92, but it doesn't reach e.g. the alchemy era in my heart

a little bit the same : I saw Pink Floyd in 94, but to me, it wasn't really PF (arrrgh....when a friend of mine said to me he saw the dark side tour......)

[Pottel]

dude, i LOVED the 1994 Floyd show i saw in Werchter, it was, to this day, the most brilliant show experience i have seen, and only (what a surprise) the Wall show i saw this year came close to it.
i was always more of a Gilmour man then a Waters man.
and as much as i appreciate his brilliant texts, he would have been far less interesting without the golden touch man that is Gilmour, his sense of "music" is unrivalled.
did i mention The Division bell is a great album, it's on replay for the past week, in my car.
actually it is the first song (Cluster One, never played live) and Marooned that are being replayed.
i love the way you hear all these nature sounds, and frozen grass breaking under footsteps until, after 3:00 when the first note is heard, ..the whole (instrumental) song is fantastic.
try it.

[Jackal]

Wrong thread, Pottel? Or maybe wrong forum??? Haha.

[JF]

Yes I know Division bell of course, it's a bit like Floyd's OES to me  
great guitar tones, perfect production sound.....but it lacks some soul,  some genius, some heartbeat, some...... can't explain in words

I agree that Gilmour's golden touch makes Floyd's music immediately recognizable.
Of course, many Floyd tunes are based on David's voice and guitar, Rick's keyboards, and "in the end" Roger's lyrics

But, altough I'm more into Gilmour than Waters, I think that David was never better than during Waters era !
A bit paradoxal, but IMHO, David expressed his golden touch more through Roger's ideas, than in his solo or last Floyd works.

Money is a typical example : a song written and composed by Waters, but "transcended" by Gilmour.
This song would never habe been what we know without Gilmour's singing and playing, but it's a Waters song !

Cluster one or Marrooned......mmmmm.......To me, Floyd is : Echoes, Dark side, Shine On, Dogs, Atom heart mother...

About 94 shows, yes it was great memories : fireworks, gigantic stage, fabulous sound, audio-visual experience....yes it was.......but IMHO far far far from Animals tour, Wembley 74, pre-album versions of Dogs and sheep, and so on....

I remember a journalist saying this : the Floyd lost his genius in late 60 (Barett) and lost his soul in 80' (Waters), and I agree with that : the Floyd markIII is a polished, clean, perfect sounding, nice, brillant shell....but an empty shell