Phil Palmer no longer with The Straits?

[aborille]

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[dona74]

I´m impressed! What an end!

How I wish MK would play this song with this strong end instead of the soft one he´s playing since 1992...

Well, no discussing about tastes but...
I couldn't agree less. 



It totally lacks the "pathos" needed by this song. I think that this "powerful" version is out of the context of the song.
I love the 2005 MK version of BIA.
Anyway, only my two cents.

Alessandro

totally quoted.....  c'mon.... it's Brothers in Arms..... it can't be only "pump up the volume".... Mk version live usually make appear tears on my eyes... this version is only a reinterpretation of this cover band......

other two cents for Mk...

[superval99]

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[Banjo99uk]

I was at the Monserat concert and that is probably my favourite version, although The OES tour version was very powerful and also up there for me. He plays it too stripped down for me these days.

[the visitor]

I think the Mandela version is the best for me, a very powerful version. I like it loud and noisy, the Straits take on it is as I prefer it.  It is after all a song about war.

I think I enjoy the hammond solo as much as anything though, it sets a great foundation for the final solo in any version

[aborille]

It is after all a song about war.

It's a song about peace and war suffering, not about tanks, bombs and weapons...

[dmg]

Funny this slight diversion;  I used to enjoy the more stripped down version of BIA and, like Val, the Toronto 2001 version was among my favourites.  However, lately I've been listening to a lot of versions from the BIA tour when the song was still fresh and I really think it was much better.  It was a lot more powerful, about twice as fast and Mark also sang it much better with great feeling especially early on in the tour.

The Mandela version (and warm-up ones too) were also great.

[Banjo99uk]

It is after all a song about war.

It's a song about peace and war suffering, not about tanks, bombs and weapons...

A bit pedantic, as it is a song about war, specifically inspired by something his Father said to him during the Falklands conflict about the lunacy of war.  I think a powerful version is totally in keeping with the context.  If The Straits tackled Remembrance Day and made that into a big powerful ending that would be more out of context for me.

[vgonis]

As a good PR would say, any publicity is good publicity. Especially when this bad publicity is for others and in return good for you. MK should be more than glad, if he cared, that so many of us even go to the trouble of spending time to compare "the straits" with either MK or the original Dire Straits. Not so much for the not so favourable comments for "the straits" as for the fact that it is actually time spent talking over his creations. Everybody should have the right to an opinion, but the best way to harm such acts, if you find them offencive or whatever,  is by ignoring them at all. Which, in my opinion, is weird, for the particular situation. If it is the music we didn't like, the interpretation or the production, it would be fair to say whatever we want. But here I read several comments, at the very least hinting about the morality and ethics of this coming together. But don't you forget that they are musicians, they play music for a living, and they play songs that they can sell. And what's more they happen to be members of the original group.

I am relatively young as a fan, so I may not be the one to point out the obvious, but for the ones that hadn't notice it or realized it:  MK was 36 when he recorded BIA, and I am 36 and haven't even recorded a Communique.    

[aborille]

It is after all a song about war.

It's a song about peace and war suffering, not about tanks, bombs and weapons...

A bit pedantic, as it is a song about war, specifically inspired by something his Father said to him during the Falklands conflict about the lunacy of war.  I think a powerful version is totally in keeping with the context.  If The Straits tackled Remembrance Day and made that into a big powerful ending that would be more out of context for me.

Mk wrote the song, MK wrote and decided the arrangements, MK plays it, MK sing it. I think we have enough elements to evalute the exact context of the song listening at the performances of his original composer, especially on the last decade, where MK has considerably grown up his musical skills.

Alessandro

[superval99]

And what's more they happen to be members of the original group.

I know what you mean VGONIS2002, but the original group were Mark, David, Pick and John!   

[vgonis]

And what's more they happen to be members of the original group.

I know what you mean VGONIS2002, but the original group were Mark, David, Pick and John!   

Correctly pointed out Val!
Well about David. He puts out original stuff, but he receives just about the same reactions, as "the straits". For sanity's sake, his name was Knopfler, he has a rich and famous brother and was an original member of Dire straits. (as underlined by Val, thank you Val) And what's more he started his career back in the early 80ies. Now I understand if you don't like his work (as a matter of fact some of his songs are quite listenable, and  fewer still rather good - but actually that doesn't help the point I am trying to make, so regard it as a moment of hazy truth and then forget it altogether) but it is quite peculiar to ask him to either not play music or record under a pseudonym. Now let's ask Dusty of his opinion about David... 
And I don't recall reading any complaints about the official John Illsley live album which contained most of the dire straits hit songs.
As for Pick, well needles to say I adore his drumming and can find his early retirement a big waste of talent. Thank God his earlier recoded work with Dando Shaft  can give me some more of his tasteful drumming. 

It is after all a song about war.

It's a song about peace and war suffering, not about tanks, bombs and weapons...

A bit pedantic, as it is a song about war, specifically inspired by something his Father said to him during the Falklands conflict about the lunacy of war.  I think a powerful version is totally in keeping with the context.  If The Straits tackled Remembrance Day and made that into a big powerful ending that would be more out of context for me.

Mk wrote the song, MK wrote and decided the arrangements, MK plays it, MK sing it. I think we have enough elements to evalute the exact context of the song listening at the performances of his original composer, especially on the last decade, where MK has considerably grown up his musical skills.

Alessandro

And what about the Joan Baez version? Oh, it is a slippery road the one we chose to follow with this conversation.

[superval99]

And what's more they happen to be members of the original group.

I know what you mean VGONIS2002, but the original group were Mark, David, Pick and John!   

Correctly pointed out Val!
 (as underlined by Val, thank you Val)

Thank you, for thanking me, VGONIS2002!              

[Jules]

Brothers in arms was a song released in 1985, and the live version from that tour had that strong drum part at the end that makes the song more epic, then MK decided to delete that part and keep the song on the slow tempo till the end.

I preffer the powerful version, it touch my heart, the slow one, makes me sleep.

My two cents.

[Banjo99uk]

Brothers in arms was a song released in 1985, and the live version from that tour had that strong drum part at the end that makes the song more epic, then MK decided to delete that part and keep the song on the slow tempo till the end.

I preffer the powerful version, it touch my heart, the slow one, makes me sleep.

My two cents.

My two cents completely agree with your two cents on this one.