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Author Topic: Dusty, I hope you are sitting down, this is a sad day for you  (Read 11670 times)

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Re: Dusty, I hope you are sitting down, this is a sad day for you
« Reply #30 on: March 08, 2011, 02:54:08 PM »
Not just people I don't know, I hate Pottel too!
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Re: Dusty, I hope you are sitting down, this is a sad day for you
« Reply #31 on: March 08, 2011, 03:05:42 PM »
no comment.
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Re: Dusty, I hope you are sitting down, this is a sad day for you
« Reply #32 on: March 08, 2011, 03:07:35 PM »
Not just people I don't know, I hate Pottel too!

don't we all?  ;D  ;D

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Re: Dusty, I hope you are sitting down, this is a sad day for you
« Reply #33 on: March 08, 2011, 10:04:17 PM »
Dusty, when I first saw your picture I thought you looked like Phil Collins!  :lol I had no idea that you had this running joke going on.
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Re: Dusty, I hope you are sitting down, this is a sad day for you
« Reply #34 on: March 09, 2011, 08:13:46 AM »
Dusty, when I first saw your picture I thought you looked like Phil Collins! 

You better hope I don't make it over to NYC again...
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Re: Dusty, I hope you are sitting down, this is a sad day for you
« Reply #35 on: March 09, 2011, 09:49:18 AM »
i rule, you fool!
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Re: Dusty, I hope you are sitting down, this is a sad day for you
« Reply #36 on: March 09, 2011, 09:58:10 AM »
Is  Mark a that great admirer of Phil to choose to look like him now?

Maybe on his next tour he will even cover one of his song.
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Re: Dusty, I hope you are sitting down, this is a sad day for you
« Reply #37 on: March 09, 2011, 06:56:08 PM »
Dusty that was a great post! How you manage to turn everything into an MK issue is beyond me, though.  ;) Now some comments that came to mind as i was reading the Holy Moly link. First of all, i don't get it: If sales of his latest album were great he wouldn't make any strong comments, would he? I don't know and i don't care who won in the Mtv awards, but to tell you the truth if i was to quit the things i like just because they don't sell, win awards or even be considered as up to date or art :-X, then i would be lying in my kitchen floor watching Mtv awards (my TV is in the kitchen). And for God's sake i have to make a living as well. He could be writing and recording music without worrying about money. His great grand children too. The MK solution, that Dusty's mother so carefully noticed :lol, is the best one. And all this self pity is disgusting, he could do it silently, but no, seek attention with such "heavy" statements and attention is what you get. Anybody remembers (this one is a favorite no matter what she says...)Joni Mitcell's similar statement?  And then trying to say i am sorry for being so pompous, 20 years ago, but without actually saying it? What kind of lame excuse is that:"I am not the same man now..." Nobody is the same man and that's why they don't like you now. And it goes on, advertising his past collaborations with a wink. When he lips "I am sorry" he combines it with "I am sorry i was so successful..." Well, it turns out that he is still the same man after all, but thankfully we have changed. He says something about a biking holiday and even it is a bit morbid to joke about, one woman that i truly admire comes to mind: Nico.  And don't get me started with his health issues (no baldness is not one of them, and who really cares about hair anyway?) His biggest problem is not his music, i even listened to it as a kid-it is his humongous ambition and ego.   (Watch old-Phil at Montserat concert introducing MK. Maybe it is my disliking him but i swear i could distinguish a certain spite, when he says "the biggest selling UK album ever", referring of course to BiA .)  At least Sting's songs of the 80ies are still admired and he went to the Amazon to address the issue (we can speculate many things but this is Phil's post after all)
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Re: Dusty, I hope you are sitting down, this is a sad day for you
« Reply #38 on: March 10, 2011, 11:10:01 AM »
At the risk of turning this into a back slapping exercise, your post was very good too! I agree with it a great deal. You are right, he does have a huge ego. Completely agree on the "I'm sorry I was so successful" thing.

And I remember being very surprised that Phil Collins introduced MK at Montserrat, given that he had slagged off DS a few years earlier, hypocrite.
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Re: Dusty, I hope you are sitting down, this is a sad day for you
« Reply #39 on: March 10, 2011, 11:28:01 AM »
At the risk of turning this into a back slapping exercise, your post was very good too!

Maybe his mum helped too?  ;D

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Re: Dusty, I hope you are sitting down, this is a sad day for you
« Reply #40 on: March 10, 2011, 03:23:43 PM »
And I remember being very surprised that Phil Collins introduced MK at Montserrat, given that he had slagged off DS a few years earlier, hypocrite.

He did? I never heard about that. Can somebody enlighten me?

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Re: Dusty, I hope you are sitting down, this is a sad day for you
« Reply #41 on: March 10, 2011, 03:58:35 PM »
to be fair, didn't everybody slag off DS in the early 90s?

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Re: Dusty, I hope you are sitting down, this is a sad day for you
« Reply #42 on: March 10, 2011, 04:04:23 PM »
to be fair, didn't everybody slag off DS in the early 90s?

Don't remember that feeling in the air. Were still hugely successfull in France.
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Re: Dusty, I hope you are sitting down, this is a sad day for you
« Reply #43 on: March 10, 2011, 04:05:37 PM »
And I remember being very surprised that Phil Collins introduced MK at Montserrat, given that he had slagged off DS a few years earlier, hypocrite.

He did? I never heard about that. Can somebody enlighten me?

LE

It was in Q magazine, most likely around the time of the Both Sides album where his massive ego told him it would be agood idea to play all instruments, including terrible keyboard synthesiser guitars.
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Re: Dusty, I hope you are sitting down, this is a sad day for you
« Reply #44 on: March 10, 2011, 07:55:08 PM »
Thank you very much Dusty, for the kind words. My mother will get her share as well, even though the only rock record she had and passed on to me was "Every woman i know is crazy about  automobile" by Sam the sham and the pharaohs (7'').
Rollergirl you do have a point about DS in the nineties, at least that is what i received from people in Greece. But it has to do with the big explosion of brit pop (and grunge and the resurrection of heavy metal and the rediscovery of rap and Hip-hop and the Bristol scene+++ ) that took the world by storm. Most of these new bands were hugely influenced by the older generations, like The Who, Kinks, Beatles, Rolling stones, even Horace Andy or John Martyn. I don't know why but the new, always tries to push over the old and that is what happened to Dire straits. Let's not forget that DS were still in existence in 1992, with merely 15 years of history behind them, but still they were the old guard, or at least they represented the old without being "holy" as the Beatles or Eric Clapton. They were the easy target. I have to admit, that at times, the new sound was great. A new breath of life, that it actually helped the older artists more than hurt them. But the values that DS represented were the ones of "traditional" sound and structure of songs, a bit of guitar hero on the mix and the backing of the big record companies. At least that's what they saw.
 Of course what these bands didn't know was that all these things they blamed about would be offered and accepted by them as well. To name but a few: Oasis were playing a game that was most unfitting for them. Apart from their first two albums, that were great but lost their magic because they were overplayed, the rest was music "new today, old tomorrow". Blur stood the test of time, or at least they aged much better, with their members delving into music and giving the tabloids little compared to Oasis. I could go on but i can't leave out the fantastic Scots :Belle and Sebastian and the remarkable Darren Hayman's :Hefner. Even though their heyday was around 2000, they are still young and active and never cease to amaze me.     
The rewarding part after all these years of slagging off, came in 2008: When MK played in Athens and the theater was absolutely packed with people younger than me, many in their early 20ies, others obviously into heavy metal and the older ones probably visiting for the DS period songs, 15 years after the end of DS! I came across some friends guitarists that probably weren't aware of MK's solo career, but came to see him play. And 6 months later Dandy Warhols asked MK to play in one of their songs and Killers issued a rendition of Romeo and Juliet, stating that they adore this song. The new generation finally recognized the DS influence. (Of course both Killers and the Dandies come from the US, but we have a saying here in Greece: nobody can become a saint (or prophet)  in his birthplace. That would explain it... :lol
Come on, it is not funny anymore.

 

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