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Author Topic: The Straits Charity in RAH?  (Read 173489 times)

OfflinePick

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Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
« Reply #375 on: May 23, 2011, 04:01:42 PM »
I've been patiently and exhaustively reading this thread as a guest for the last couple of weeks now, and having attended the gig at the RAH last night and one of the warm-ups last week, I can now comment on what I've seen, heard and read.

Firstly, it's only fair to point out that I am a friend of Terence's, having known him for the better part of a decade. I'm also a musician in his band. As a musician, actor and a man he is immensely talented. You must appreciate that in his own music, Terence constantly battles to stay out of the Knoplfer style and to avoid comparison, simply because Knoplfer did it first. However, he does not have to try very hard to achieve that sound because he grew up playing finger style guitar which is prevalent in Africa, and also exemplified by other players such as J.J. Cale etc. etc. - you've read all this already. His ability to achieve that Knoplfer sound is uncanny and easy; I've seen it up close and even jammed a couple of DS covers with him for the fun.

I was also a big fan of Dire Straits, though I am a little too young to have ever attended any live shows; I did however get to see Knopfler about two years ago which was pretty special.

I think on the subject of the name 'The Straits' and the marketing to which you all so object, I am sure you understand that in a venture this big the band have little to no input in these matters. Much like the hapless customer service rep you get through to when complaining to a utility company, the band are the public face but that does not mean they are responsible for the promotional material. Allessandro, they are not "showing their hand" - the video is from a concert attendee posting on YouTube.

As I said, I was a fan of the recorded material and had all the albums and the Alchemy double album to which I still return from time to time. I knew every word and was able to sing every lick and I loved the changes in arrangements the band made for the live show.

So, to The Straits live. Based on the above, with a little understandable bias but a healthy appreciation for the material, I loved the show. As a live show in its own right it shone but I can tell you the performance was also FRIGHTENINGLY accurate. I simply will not accept from a look at the YouTube clips that SOS was "clumsily played" nor were there "wrong notes everywhere". I was there; it wasn't and there weren't. Terence did not play the Knopler solos, for sure, but they were in style and they were great. As Jackal said, Terence was never going to try to imitate note-for-note. The band was exceptionally tight, too, and "more rocking" refers to something Alan Clark said - from within the band, this is as good as he's experienced it - a personal opinion you can't really argue with. My own personal experience was spine-tingling in the extreme.

I infer from the comments on the forum that some of you (not all) wanted the band and gig to be poor, and the constant comments that it misses Mark's voice or guitar playing only serve to reinforce that impression. We know Terence isn't Mark; neither he nor you want him to be. As it stands, the gig was well-received, successful and more importantly I found it to be an evocative representation of the music of Dire Straits. I am filled with pride to have seen Terence step into such big shoes and do such a commendable job with - and let me be very clear here - GENUINE humility.
« Last Edit: May 23, 2011, 04:48:04 PM by Pick »

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Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
« Reply #376 on: May 23, 2011, 04:02:13 PM »
also, strange setlist order.?
and no "goodies" i mean, no single handed sailor or it never rains or or or...
still waiting for the juicy stories from BBB though...


Too short show, Pottel. Plus those songs are reserved for the geeks  :P

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Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
« Reply #377 on: May 23, 2011, 04:14:36 PM »
Pick, interesting to hear your thoughts. I think indeed that some of the people in here easily become over-protective of Mark and his heritage  :)

From the few clips, I think it sounded good, and much more energetic than Mark's shows today. As for the lead guitar, I think it was technically impressive and in the vain of Mark without being a clone, which should be fine. 


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Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
« Reply #378 on: May 23, 2011, 04:45:51 PM »
Pick,  Thanks for your comments.    I know it's not the best way to review a performance, from a video clip, especially with poor sound, but I still stand by what I have already said about SOS, it didn't sound good at all to me!    R & J was better, but mainly due to the beautiful solo by Chris.   I suppose it was one of those occasions when you had to be there to appreciate the performance!

I am glad that you all had a great time - that was obvious from the clips - and that a lot of money was made for the charity, which was the aim of the show!
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Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
« Reply #379 on: May 23, 2011, 04:51:35 PM »
All I know is that it was an all round fantastic gig.
I love Mark as much as anyone hear on or off this forum,
but I took this gig for what it was. I actually really enjoyed
Terence's guitar sound. It did'nt bother me one bit that it didn't
'exactly' re-create every note. I enjoyed the differences.
I didn't go to compare, or judge, I went along to hear the great songs
that Mark had written over the last 3 decades, by great musicians, some
of which have been along for the ride.
I would go and see them again for sure.

I still love you Mark!!! :-* :-* ;D

Cheers. BBB
And a crowd of young boys they're fooling around in the corner
Drunk and dressed in their best brown baggies and their platform soles.

OfflinePick

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Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
« Reply #380 on: May 23, 2011, 05:06:37 PM »
Thanks BBB, that's the spirit. And yes, superval, I hope a lot of money was made for charity and I and my fellow musicians and fans of Terence had  great time.

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Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
« Reply #381 on: May 23, 2011, 05:51:51 PM »
My wife was just watching that horrendous programme on ITV
called Loose Women.
Denise Welch one of the presenters on that programme mentioned
that she went to see The Straits last night.
The keyboard player is her god son apparently.

Cheers. BBB
And a crowd of young boys they're fooling around in the corner
Drunk and dressed in their best brown baggies and their platform soles.

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Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
« Reply #382 on: May 23, 2011, 07:15:36 PM »
Pick,  Thanks for your comments.    I know it's not the best way to review a performance, from a video clip, especially with poor sound, but I still stand by what I have already said about SOS, it didn't sound good at all to me!   


I've only had a chance to watch the Sultans and MFN clips, and in my opinion his recreation of MK's guitar tone on both were first rate.

But sorry Pick, there most definitely were some bum notes on Sultans. No question. :) Understandable given the circumstances.
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Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
« Reply #383 on: May 23, 2011, 07:51:29 PM »
"Some bum notes" and "full of wrong notes" are two very different things though. And I'd be confident in betting MK has made a mistake or two in his time... Problem is, Terence is under such close scrutiny. There was nothing that really offended my ear but then nothing in the DS back catalogue made much use of real chromaticism... ;-)

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Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
« Reply #384 on: May 23, 2011, 08:04:55 PM »
"Some bum notes" and "full of wrong notes" are two very different things though. And I'd be confident in betting MK has made a mistake or two in his time... Problem is, Terence is under such close scrutiny. There was nothing that really offended my ear but then nothing in the DS back catalogue made much use of real chromaticism... ;-)

Sorry, hope I don't appear too ignorant, had to look up the word Chromaticism. ???


Chromaticism

Web definitions

Chromaticism is a compositional technique interspersing the primary diatonic pitches and chords with other pitches of the chromatic scale. Chromaticism is in contrast or addition to tonality or diatonicism (the major and minor scales). ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromaticism
Use of notes not in the basic scale of a composition or passage. Harmonic style frequently using such notes.
www.laco.org/glossary/
the use of tones outside of the diatonic scale, for example, in the key of C: C, D, D#, F# rather than the diatonic C, D, E, F.
www.navyband.navy.mil/mfe_saxqtetglossary.shtml
Refers to the use of pitches foreign to the key of the passage.
highered.mcgraw-hill.com/sites/0072852607/student_view0/part4/chapter1/key_terms.html

Cheers. BBB
And a crowd of young boys they're fooling around in the corner
Drunk and dressed in their best brown baggies and their platform soles.

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Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
« Reply #385 on: May 23, 2011, 08:07:57 PM »
Not being a guitarist, I'm still non the wiser. :lol

Cheers. BBB
And a crowd of young boys they're fooling around in the corner
Drunk and dressed in their best brown baggies and their platform soles.

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Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
« Reply #386 on: May 23, 2011, 08:21:17 PM »
Just heard SOS. Oh man. Lots of wrong notes.
Did not enjoy it that way.
Wolfgang Uhlig from Dire Strats sounds better I think.

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Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
« Reply #387 on: May 23, 2011, 08:28:03 PM »
Chromatic notes are used as in between-notes to give a smoother sound, typically jazzy. Simple example: Hum Twinkle, twinkle little star: C C E E A A G F F E E D D C. Chromatically you could make it C D D# E A Ab G F E Eb E D Db C, and you get jazz :)
« Last Edit: May 23, 2011, 08:41:11 PM by Jackal »

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Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
« Reply #388 on: May 23, 2011, 08:37:28 PM »
As for wrong  notes ... Yes, but -

The Straits - rehearsals and three shows together. They are barely warm.

Don't forget we mostly listen to Dire Straits on top form. There are some awful sounding clips out there, and Mark these days, I won't even go there. He basically stays in a comfort zone and barely makes the difficult passages.

Let the Straits take a 50 show tour and then listen.

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Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
« Reply #389 on: May 23, 2011, 08:40:18 PM »
"Some bum notes" and "full of wrong notes" are two very different things though. And I'd be confident in betting MK has made a mistake or two in his time... Problem is, Terence is under such close scrutiny. There was nothing that really offended my ear but then nothing in the DS back catalogue made much use of real chromaticism... ;-)

Hi Pick,   Yes MK makes mistakes too, no-one is perfect, but Terrence made more than a few!  
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