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Re: Wild West End by David Knopfler!
« Reply #30 on: February 01, 2014, 08:09:02 PM »
Really great, strong imagery in the lyrics.  He doesn't write stuff like this now.
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Re: Wild West End by David Knopfler!
« Reply #31 on: February 01, 2014, 10:31:59 PM »
Really great, strong imagery in the lyrics.  He doesn't write stuff like this now.

No, indeed he writes much better stuff now!!!!
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Re: Wild West End by David Knopfler!
« Reply #32 on: February 01, 2014, 10:32:40 PM »
Great to see/hear DK on this lovely tune.....
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Re: Wild West End by David Knopfler!
« Reply #33 on: February 02, 2014, 05:59:03 PM »
Really great, strong imagery in the lyrics.  He doesn't write stuff like this now.

No, indeed he writes much better stuff now!!!!

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit! ;)
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Re: Wild West End by David Knopfler!
« Reply #34 on: February 02, 2014, 08:16:08 PM »
yes, but it is often confused with irony which is in the top 5.  ;D
Come on, it is not funny anymore.

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Re: Wild West End by David Knopfler!
« Reply #35 on: February 04, 2014, 02:14:51 PM »

I love WWE


as for the "chinatown" music, yes it's played on piano on album, 80 and 85 versions
In 78-79 this little melody was played by Mark on guitar



some thoughts about different versions of this song :


1) in the Oldfield book, it's said that on one of first DS gigs in deptford, Mark played the song "on the national".
So I wonder, did he play the song without soloing during the first months of the band ?
Indeed, on the london-roundhouse show, he's playing the rhyhtm part ; on the leeds gig no WWE, and the next show is after the album recording (chester I believe).
BUT, on the demo version there are 3 guitars, and a lead one, like on the album version, so the idea of lead licks is from july 77...

2) The versions from late 80 (specially Emerald city) are among my fav ones.
Mark is taking the time to put the ambience at the start of the song, he doesn't sart to sing at the beginning, the guitar introduction is longer, I like that

3) the BIA version...well...
I love the ambient keyboards, the sax intro (from autumn 85 I guess), the background vocals
BUT jack's solo...oh boy ! it ruined the song IHMO
I had a french itw where Jack said that Mark let him play sometimes for 80 bars... (did he count the bars ?  :disbelief :hmm)
Mark used to sit down on the side of the stage and listened to Jack's imprvosation. And after the gig, he always said to jack what he had thought of the solo (according to jack's itw) I wonder what he said to him ?.... ::)
I understand that thing to let a musician in the front of the stage, having his "glory moment" (like with John and Glenn on Marbletown now), but I never understood why Mark let Jack playing this awful solo.
Imagine if it was Mark who played the solo on the sunburst schecter strat, with a tone ala Tunnel of love... subtil etheral aerian solo, that would have been a gem I think...



David's version is good, I Like it, but not as much as DS'ones


and last but not least, there's Ingo's version  :) :

http://www.mk-guitar.com/2010/04/10/dire-straits-wild-west-end-cover-by-ingo-raven/   nice one :thumbsup

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Re: Wild West End by David Knopfler!
« Reply #36 on: February 04, 2014, 03:42:37 PM »
JF,  I'd love to hear those versions you mentioned.  Is it possible to put the links ?

I like Jack's guitar playing and personality on stage.  He's quite a character.

BTW, Ingo's good. What a website !!!!! Thanks.

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Re: Wild West End by David Knopfler!
« Reply #37 on: February 04, 2014, 04:31:50 PM »

I love WWE


as for the "chinatown" music, yes it's played on piano on album, 80 and 85 versions
In 78-79 this little melody was played by Mark on guitar



some thoughts about different versions of this song :


1) in the Oldfield book, it's said that on one of first DS gigs in deptford, Mark played the song "on the national".
So I wonder, did he play the song without soloing during the first months of the band ?
Indeed, on the london-roundhouse show, he's playing the rhyhtm part ; on the leeds gig no WWE, and the next show is after the album recording (chester I believe).
BUT, on the demo version there are 3 guitars, and a lead one, like on the album version, so the idea of lead licks is from july 77...



I guess that Mark played the riff live in 1977 and January 1878 (Roundhouse...) and no lead.
I think on the album it is Mark who played the riff (on the National) and the lead, and David just the other acoustic guitar opposite to the riff.

After the album they changed it so that David played the riff and Mark the lead.




 
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Re: Wild West End by David Knopfler!
« Reply #38 on: February 04, 2014, 06:10:10 PM »
JF,  I'd love to hear those versions you mentioned.  Is it possible to put the links ?

I like Jack's guitar playing and personality on stage.  He's quite a character.

BTW, Ingo's good. What a website !!!!! Thanks.

 :)

there's is no existing recording fo the depford gig, at least to my knowledge

I can't find a link to the rouhouse gig, I have it at home, I can send it  :wave

here are some links :

demo :
 

NY 1980, no exactly like Emeral city, but can't find it
 


Vienna 1985
 

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Re: Wild West End by David Knopfler!
« Reply #39 on: February 27, 2014, 11:29:45 AM »
Bringing this up again. Love Wild West End, great song, great lyrics.
Haven't had time to check the videos in this topic, but will do so when I can find the time.

Anyway, as for David and Mark. I don't know much about what happened between them, other that there were problems in the past and that David stepped out of Dire Straits. But..., all these years later you'd think they would be on speaking terms again. I have no idea, if they stay in touch with each other these days....... All I can say is, whatever happened is a shame, as both brothers have an incredible musical talent.

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Re: Wild West End by David Knopfler!
« Reply #40 on: February 27, 2014, 02:39:59 PM »
I like Jack solo in '85, especially the one recorded at the Blossom Music Center, Cuyahoga Falls on august 5th (aka "Cleveland 85" as the venue is 30 miles from the town).
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