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Offlinepaddybrown

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Newbie says hello/Les Boys and Mark's solo work
« on: October 09, 2013, 12:35:24 AM »
Hi, new member here. I've been listening to Privateering a lot over the last couple of days, reminding myself what a fantastic songwriter Mark Knopfler is, and stumbled across this site while looking for reviews, so I thought I'd introduce myself. I've been a Knopfler fan since my teens, when my brother made me listen to Love Over Gold and watch Alchemy on video. Caught up with the rest in time for Brothers in Arms and have been following him ever since, even through the 90s when it was social death to admit it (Brothers in Arms being overexposed and On Every Street being, well, not terribly good, were the main causes of that). Mark's the main reason I learned to play guitar. I don't even try to play like him, I could never hope to match his melodic instinct, I mainly use it to accompany my singing, although I do usually play with my fingers - but that's mostly because every pick I buy evaporates within a couple of days.

Anyway, something that occurred to me while listening to "Radio City Serenade", a song that that draws on melodic traditions that pre-date rock and roll but aren't folk, country or blues, which is a thread in Mark's songwriting - songs like "Monteleone" and "One More Matinee" - and it struck me that this goes back to the much-maligned "Les Boys" on Making Movies (in the same way that "I Dug Up a Diamond" is a descendant of "Six Blade Knife"). There's something to tell people who complain that his solo albums don't sound enough like Dire Straits!

Another couple of observations from the album. Here's . Listen about 5:34 - he throws in a couple of completely gratuitous blues notes! In a folk song! Lovely. And as for , it's a shame Howlin' Wolf isn't still alive, he'd have owned that song. Mark's voice just isn't big or evil enough.

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Re: Newbie says hello/Les Boys and Mark's solo work
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2013, 12:47:23 AM »
Very welcome Paddybrown. Your first post is impressive, I hope you enjoy this bunch of people and I am looking forward to further thoughts of you in our discussions

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Re: Newbie says hello/Les Boys and Mark's solo work
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2013, 01:12:03 AM »
Anyway, something that occurred to me while listening to "Radio City Serenade", a song that that draws on melodic traditions that pre-date rock and roll but aren't folk, country or blues, which is a thread in Mark's songwriting - songs like "Monteleone" and "One More Matinee" - and it struck me that this goes back to the much-maligned "Les Boys" on Making Movies (in the same way that "I Dug Up a Diamond" is a descendant of "Six Blade Knife"). There's something to tell people who complain that his solo albums don't sound enough like Dire Straits!

What amazes the most here on this forum is that people often draw comparisons between MK songs from now and from DS era that I wouldn't dare to do, but im most cases that make sense completely.
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Re: Newbie says hello/Les Boys and Mark's solo work
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2013, 08:08:22 AM »
And I like the sentence "...and stumbled across this site" hehe.

I think it's the point most critics have made with his blues songs on Privateering - that his voice does not fit for them, or as you have said it so much better: it's not big and evil enough. Although I think the first lines of I Used To Could on the album version are the coolest vocal part on the whole album, I agree with some of them. He is just a too friendly and good hearted guy to do dirty blues... I am from the part of the fans that like Don't Forget Hat!

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Re: Newbie says hello/Les Boys and Mark's solo work
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2013, 09:08:39 AM »
Yeah, but he gets away with it because his playing and writing are so good - and his singing has always been limited, but he's good at phrasing and timing. There's always been a lot of blues in his playing, going back to the first Dire Straits album. I got into the blues via Mark, and I'm loving the straight blues he's been playing on his recent albums, and "Don't Forget Your Hat" in particular is so much fun, it's one of the songs on the album I keep going back to. And I can't get enough of "Sonny Liston" and "Donegan's Gone" either, two songs that a read of this site suggests divide the fans a bit.
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Re: Newbie says hello/Les Boys and Mark's solo work
« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2013, 11:33:28 AM »
Welcome, a great post and I love your part about it being social death to admit following DS in the 90's. That's so true but it was worth the ridicule I think.

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Re: Newbie says hello/Les Boys and Mark's solo work
« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2013, 12:07:04 PM »
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Re: Newbie says hello/Les Boys and Mark's solo work
« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2013, 05:13:17 PM »

 And as for , it's a shame Howlin' Wolf isn't still alive, he'd have owned that song.

Welcome paddybrown!

I do really like your idea!
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Re: Newbie says hello/Les Boys and Mark's solo work
« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2013, 02:39:10 AM »
Welcome paddybrown! I got the same feeling when mentioning DS in the 90ies and some times I still get it. But when I saw the crowd that came to watch him in 2008, I knew that a lot of people hate to admit it, but they still admire him.
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Re: Newbie says hello/Les Boys and Mark's solo work
« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2013, 09:00:19 AM »
Hi and welcome.

same for me I still have this feeling now. saying that you love DS/MK is very not "trendy", at least here in France.

I love both six blade knife and diamond, but I disagree about melodic reminiscence or ressmablnce, or "filiation" between 2 songs.
obviously not the same mood, not same groove, not same "feel", it's hard for me to find the words (I'm not english native).
diamond is more in folk style, harmonic vocals with Emmy, "lyric-aerian" solo, while six balde knife is typically laid-back-blues song ala JJ cale (Ingo quoted a JJ song which has the same riff/melody but can't remeber the tittle, something with "river" I believe)

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Re: Newbie says hello/Les Boys and Mark's solo work
« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2013, 09:42:52 AM »
River runs deep


Of course it is just the mood.

By the way have you heard J.J. Cale's - The promise?

J.J. Cale uses the exact same vocal melody of his older song "I'll kiss this world goodbye".

Come on, it is not funny anymore.

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Re: Newbie says hello/Les Boys and Mark's solo work
« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2013, 09:46:53 AM »
Yes that's it

well JJ Cale uses same melodies in many of his songs... ::)

not a critic, just an observation  :)

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Re: Newbie says hello/Les Boys and Mark's solo work
« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2013, 11:55:33 AM »
Hard to explain why I feel "Six Blade Knife" and "I Dug Up a Diamond" are similar. I know very litle music theory, so I can't explain it technically. All I know is, they give me the same chills. They're both quietly relentless, almost monotonous, creating a deep, ominous feel.

 

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