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OfflineBrunno Nunes

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Re: The guy that recorded a RAH 2005 concert through MK´s ear-in
« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2025, 07:21:26 PM »
This story is exactly the same one I've told before. Artists do not want unauthorised recordings to be shared.
If this IS an IEM capture, it is 99.995% likely it doesn't reflect the sound the audience hears. IEMs and monitoring are a very specific thing.
My monitors are extremely unbalanced and sound nothing like a record, or what I hope the audience is experiencing.
Also, again, a lot 'entitled' chatter on that thread - if bands don't want illicit recordings to be shared, they should release unedited versions of the live show?
First, it's not possible logistically. Second, a live show is a LIVE show. It isn't a record.
For anyone who started playing live before the internet and iPhones, it was a communion between artist and audience. Nowadays you are playing to a majority of people holding iPhones in the air, concentrating more on their exposure, the camera angle, than they are on just enjoying the show.
Some artists ask people not to record the show on an iPhone and for the most part this is respected.
Which is great!

I understand your point Chris, and your are right about "live experience" and "enjoying the moment"

BUT, on the other hand, videos of a show, even if they are amateurish, can bring memories, and even more, some stuff for the ones who didn't attend the shows.
I am glad to see some gigs that I couldn't attend

And when I write and publish live reports, I have often comments by people who says thanks for bringing some sounds ands images from the show. they are grateful for seeing things that they couldn't attend.

Sometimes they says "it's almost like we were there"

so I'd say there are both sides of the situation

Personally, I am eternally grateful to all the people who made bootleg recordings possible. They are a true time capsule, whether in audio or video format. They have always been a very precious archive for me, especially because I have never had the opportunity to see a Mark Knopfler show in person, nor have I seen Dire Straits, who have never been to Brazil.

These recordings are very important to me and many fans. I dare say that no band's history will be complete without going through what the bootleg universe has to offer. How would we know what certain songs would sound like live? Angel of Mercy, Single Handed Sailor, Skateaway, It Never Rains...
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Re: The guy that recorded a RAH 2005 concert through MK´s ear-in
« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2025, 08:39:23 PM »
I liked the days when some people were dedicated to record while the vast majority, including me, was just there enjoy the show.
I think it was Metalica that in the days even did have a reserved area for the tapers.

Today attending show in the audience has become sad always getting the view more or less obstrued by some hands up.



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Re: The guy that recorded a RAH 2005 concert through MK´s ear-in
« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2025, 08:41:33 PM »
This story is exactly the same one I've told before. Artists do not want unauthorised recordings to be shared.
If this IS an IEM capture, it is 99.995% likely it doesn't reflect the sound the audience hears. IEMs and monitoring are a very specific thing.
My monitors are extremely unbalanced and sound nothing like a record, or what I hope the audience is experiencing.
Also, again, a lot 'entitled' chatter on that thread - if bands don't want illicit recordings to be shared, they should release unedited versions of the live show?
First, it's not possible logistically. Second, a live show is a LIVE show. It isn't a record.
For anyone who started playing live before the internet and iPhones, it was a communion between artist and audience. Nowadays you are playing to a majority of people holding iPhones in the air, concentrating more on their exposure, the camera angle, than they are on just enjoying the show.
Some artists ask people not to record the show on an iPhone and for the most part this is respected.
Which is great!

I understand your point Chris, and your are right about "live experience" and "enjoying the moment"

BUT, on the other hand, videos of a show, even if they are amateurish, can bring memories, and even more, some stuff for the ones who didn't attend the shows.
I am glad to see some gigs that I couldn't attend

And when I write and publish live reports, I have often comments by people who says thanks for bringing some sounds ands images from the show. they are grateful for seeing things that they couldn't attend.

Sometimes they says "it's almost like we were there"

so I'd say there are both sides of the situation

Personally, I am eternally grateful to all the people who made bootleg recordings possible. They are a true time capsule, whether in audio or video format. They have always been a very precious archive for me, especially because I have never had the opportunity to see a Mark Knopfler show in person, nor have I seen Dire Straits, who have never been to Brazil.

These recordings are very important to me and many fans. I dare say that no band's history will be complete without going through what the bootleg universe has to offer. How would we know what certain songs would sound like live? Angel of Mercy, Single Handed Sailor, Skateaway, It Never Rains...

Completely agree.
MK has boycotted himself big time by such a poor live releases strategy.
No BIA live ever until now, Imagine a well chosen show (not San Antonio) released just after that tour.
Imagine a complete OnTheNight released just after that tour.
Imagine at least 2-3 well chosen solo career concerts released both in audio and video format just after those tours.
Stunning how many jewels are lost forever.

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Re: The guy that recorded a RAH 2005 concert through MK´s ear-in
« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2025, 08:45:22 PM »
sorry, I would like to know if these concerts are still available...maybe on the tracker?
Thanks

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Re: The guy that recorded a RAH 2005 concert through MK´s ear-in
« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2025, 08:39:43 AM »

No BIA live ever until now, Imagine a well chosen show (not San Antonio) released just after that tour.
Imagine a complete OnTheNight released just after that tour.
Imagine at least 2-3 well chosen solo career concerts released both in audio and video format just after those tours.
Stunning how many jewels are lost forever.

That's not really true.
The final BIA show was shot by ABC in Australia and is available in full on Youtube. Likewise the 1992 Basel show.

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Re: The guy that recorded a RAH 2005 concert through MK´s ear-in
« Reply #20 on: April 11, 2025, 04:30:32 PM »

No BIA live ever until now, Imagine a well chosen show (not San Antonio) released just after that tour.
Imagine a complete OnTheNight released just after that tour.
Imagine at least 2-3 well chosen solo career concerts released both in audio and video format just after those tours.
Stunning how many jewels are lost forever.

That's not really true.
The final BIA show was shot by ABC in Australia and is available in full on Youtube. Likewise the 1992 Basel show.

Chris, but these videos you mentioned were not scaled like Alchemy or On The Night, they are not official releases, available for sale like the VHS, DVDS, LP, CD... of the shows I mentioned. I believe that Vape68 is reflecting something that I have also reflected, (as have many people) about how it could have been even bigger, this live BIA tour could have been released between 1986/1988, not 40 years later, for example.
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Re: The guy that recorded a RAH 2005 concert through MK´s ear-in
« Reply #21 on: April 11, 2025, 04:44:49 PM »

No BIA live ever until now, Imagine a well chosen show (not San Antonio) released just after that tour.
Imagine a complete OnTheNight released just after that tour.
Imagine at least 2-3 well chosen solo career concerts released both in audio and video format just after those tours.
Stunning how many jewels are lost forever.

That's not really true.
The final BIA show was shot by ABC in Australia and is available in full on Youtube. Likewise the 1992 Basel show.

Actually There are tons of great bootlegs, many more than the ones you mentioned, but they are not official live releases.

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Re: The guy that recorded a RAH 2005 concert through MK´s ear-in
« Reply #22 on: April 12, 2025, 10:56:08 AM »

Chris, but these videos you mentioned were not scaled like Alchemy or On The Night, they are not official releases, available for sale like the VHS, DVDS, LP, CD... le) about how it could have been even bigger, this live BIA tour could have been released between 1986/1988, not 40 years later, for example.

I know, but in the 70's, 80's and 90's live albums and films were rare. No artist routinely offered material from their tour.
Since the advent of digital, recording a live show has become very cheap and easy to do. Additionally, as most major artists are now touring with screens and multiple camera set ups it is also cheap and routine.
In the BIA and OES era you had to make special arrangements and hire a whole second crew to record and film a show.

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Re: The guy that recorded a RAH 2005 concert through MK´s ear-in
« Reply #23 on: April 12, 2025, 12:22:45 PM »
I guess the screen feeds (if there were any) would not on their own be good enough for an official release.

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Re: The guy that recorded a RAH 2005 concert through MK´s ear-in
« Reply #24 on: April 12, 2025, 12:32:27 PM »
Back in the day there were fewer cameras (if any).
Nowadays there are very small, high quality cameras (like REDD, Blackmagic Design) and even tiny go-pros you can mount around the drums have fantastic quality.

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Re: The guy that recorded a RAH 2005 concert through MK´s ear-in
« Reply #25 on: April 12, 2025, 03:11:52 PM »
We tend to forgot how fast and great technology have grown.

Just remember 2005 when Mark allowed his show to be sold in WMA 128 KBs audio resolution.
I don't know what gear was used then for master record but so far no lossless source appeared.

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Re: The guy that recorded a RAH 2005 concert through MK´s ear-in
« Reply #26 on: April 12, 2025, 03:22:35 PM »
When I was putting my book together I realised the OES tour was done with landline telephones, fax machines and cash.
I don't remember any computers on the road, virtually no mobile phones (may be the odd in car phone). No cell phone cameras or recording.

 

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