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Author Topic: Princes Trust 1983 - A rough / unmixed version of Alchemy or the real thing...  (Read 1977 times)

OfflineJules

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I never took attention to those 1983 bootlegs in cd as they looked like it was just Alchemy bootleged but I recall reading that there was a double LP of the King Biscuit series of the Princes Trust that really had something new, like Prince Charles speech and a different speech intro to GH by MK and I was searching for it for years, and finally I got a copy.

These are the bootleg cds I've been ignoring because I thought they were just Alchemy bootlegs



And this is the King Biscuit 1983 lp sheet



I was listening to it and I was amazed by the intro of some speaker intrudocing the royal couple and a small speech by Prince Charles that obviously comes from the Dominion Theatre concert in 1983, in wich DS shared stage with Duran Duran, and after that speech it starts "Once upon a time in the west", from the toms part by Terry Williams, and listening to it, you will say it's just the Alchemy recording...

... but it's not, exactly...

If you listen to it with attention you are going to notice that there are different things, piano notes you never heard before, hammond parts not noticiable before, Hal Lindes guitar with more presence, even from time to time a tambourine here and there that wasn't before in that part, but there are some things very very different and very nice:

- In Romeo, you can hear a lot of chords played by MK with the National that are not listenable in Alchemy

- Also in Romeo, the end, has many piano things totally different to the end of the Alchemy version

- Two young lovers sounds more rough, even the Lindes solo which is apparently the same, it has something different, rougher, and you would say that there are some notes missing from what you can here in Alchemy

- Tunnel of love, at the start, has some different notes on keyboards, also on piano, but the main difference comes at the end, with very different thins on piano, specially at the very end, which makes it magical, in my opinion.

- Going home, has a MK speech in which he talks about playing for a good cause and says they usually play for 2 hours. That's obviously from the Dominion Theatre concert for the Princes Trust, as they shared the bill with Duran Duran, they had to shorten their set to one hour.

- The end of Going Home has some differences, specially on keyboards, more prominents at the fast part, but the more evident to me, is at the end, with some very nice ticling notes at the piano, the drum kicks Terry usually plays to end the song. It sounds more clear and better played that on Alchemy.

- The radio dj says twice (at the start and at the end) that the concert happened at the Hammersith Odeon, if he means the Princes Trust, he's wrong because it happened at the Dominion Theatre, but if he means the recording is from Alchemy, then, he's right!

After listening to it, my main thought was "This is not Alchemy, but the real Dominion Theatre, that must had been played quite similar to what they played at the Hammersmith Odeon", but it's so similar, besides all the differences, that I ended thinking it's more likely this is a rough unmixed version of Alchemy, mixed with the two speeches from the Dominion Theatre (the speaker and Prince Charles, and MK speech)

Here you have the link to it at unlimited, so you can listen to it and say your opinion.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1PcPK2lAIrN4z1s8trTh71-40MO_cY7Uu?usp=sharing

In either case, it's a big discovery for me!
« Last Edit: December 18, 2020, 01:59:10 PM by jbaent »
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Thanks for this. I had a listen and you are right there are definitely  differences to Alchemy. I'd say this is mostly the same concert but with a different mix.  Romeo and Juliet is really interesting: the delay on the guitar at the end is a different type of effect and a tambourine features prominently in the mix.

In terms of the intro, I can't help thinking this is fake and done in post production. The Prince Charles speech sounds like something he would say at the end of a performance rather than the start, and the announcer doesn't convince me.

Going Home though is interesting especially the speech from MK beforehand. It could be that this song is actually from the Dominion  Theatre; he refers to playing a shorter set. Is there any record of what was actually played at the Peinces Trust gig ?

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I remember Joop de Korte saying in Facebook that they played a shortened set because they shared the bill with Duran Duran. He also said, in a very polite way, that Simon Lebon wasn't nice...
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However I'd say the speeches from the beginning are from the actual show. It comes from a vinyl specially made to be broadcasted, not a fake bootleg. Also the MK speech fits with the Princes Trust concert so it makes sense the speeches from the start are good.

My guess is the concert was registered for the radio broadcast but something must had gone wrong with the recording and they used the unmixed version of Alchemy with the intro and last sound really from the concert.
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Thank you jbaent :)
I know the way I can see by the moonlight
Clear as the day
Now come on woman, come follow me home

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Thnx for sharing!!

 

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