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Another Dylan album in the works
« on: May 15, 2014, 01:16:20 AM »
I know that many of you folks are not that impressed by "Mr Bob" but this popped up on his website this week:

http://www.bobdylan.com/us/home

It's a song often associated with Frank Sinatra and is believed to be from a forthcoming album of Sinatra covers (that is, of songs  associated with Sinatra).

Whatever you may think of "Mr Bob", the man has some work ethic - especially for a 72-year old!

And there's a rumour of another BOOTLEG SERIES release iater this year, with a sort-of follow-up to 2005's NO DIRECTION HOME DVD next year. All this on top of a Far East tour already this year (including 9 nights at a smallish Tokyo venue when he could have done 1 or 2 nights at some massive hall) and some European shows set for this summer. Oh, and there's a book or two in the offing, too, apparently.

I'm not entering the "quantity versus quality" debate but I do wish MK would put it about a bit more, rather than touring sporadically, essentially in support of each new album as it coimes out. It comes over as more of a marketing strategem than genuinely for love of the music. I would really like to see MK just select a whole bunch of songs he really likes (not just ones he wrote), work them out with a small touring group and take them round some nice mid-size venues, mixing the set lists up quite a bit each night, as the mood took him. As  I've said before, stepping out a little. Now wouldn't that be fun?
« Last Edit: May 15, 2014, 01:31:05 AM by twm »

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Re: Another Dylan album in the works
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2014, 07:41:24 AM »
Talking about Dylan releases is more than welcome and perfectly ok with this forum me thinks.

And Mark did something the way you indicated with the Notting Hillbillies I presume. Lots of old songs, favourites, played with a lot of spirit and enthusiasm. Many of the attendants often state that those were his best times. Pity that this will not happen again. In some way I fully agree with what you said about MK's touring strategy. That said, as long as he IS still touring, everything is alright with me!

LE

And of course, you could also say it is the other way around: That MK album releases are only an alibi for another tour, because obviously he is enjoying that immensly, whereas since Privateering, one could get the impression that studio work gets harder and harder (maybe lack of inspiration, despite that immense heap of (similar) songs...)
« Last Edit: May 15, 2014, 07:43:34 AM by Love Expresso »

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Re: Another Dylan album in the works
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2014, 12:03:53 PM »
You will not be surprised to know (and Im sure I've said before) that it was going to the NHB shows that brought me into this room - well, to the doorway anyway.  Not DS.  I enjoy the ""solo" concerts and the musicianship is superb but I still hanker for a bit of "stepping out" by MK, as I've also said before.

By the way, I don't buy the "reverse  arguement" (that he puts out the albums in order to tour). The way I see it, MK writes the songs as he goes along and, when he gets enough of them that he likes, he records them and puts out an album and, it is at that point, that the question of shows comes up. He tours his albums. That's the truth of it. The topic titles herein show that - the "Privateering World Tour and the "Get Lucky Tour" are recent examples. 

The exception to that, in recent times, has been when he took up the offer to tour with "Mr Bob" and what did you get from that?  A few new songs and him playing a few songs with "Mr Bob" himself. And what did he get from that?  A tour without the pressure of being the headliner and the chance to display his talents and his current bag of songs to "new" people, many of whom still thought of him in terms of DS.

FINAL NOTE: I left out Mr Bob's artistic endeavours (the paintings and the metal sculptures), about which I am ambivalent. Nevertheless, it is another sign of someone who works at being creative. Maybe this link will be of interest to you:

http://www.americansongwriter.com/2014/05/book-excerpt-rock-n-roll-iconic-musicians-reveal-source-creativity/

Jenny Boyd (sister of Patti Boyd,married to Mick Fleetwood and drummer Ian Wallace) wrote it long ago, it seems, and it reads like the dissertation it was. This excerpt is quite long but you can skim through it fairly quickly.


 

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Re: Another Dylan album in the works
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2014, 12:24:53 PM »
I agree that the NHB shows would be a welcome relief between tours/albums and that Mark is anything but prolific or energetic in anything he does.  He could well take a leaf out of Bob's book in this respect, I totally agree.  Yes, a nice little tour of the UK
« Last Edit: May 15, 2014, 12:54:48 PM by dmg »
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Re: Another Dylan album in the works
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2014, 01:37:59 PM »
100% agree with all have been said here

one of my colleague heard recently the St julien gig and said to me :
" I hesitated to go the festival last year, and I am happy to finally have decided to not attend it.... I heard the gig and  well.. it's too much "predictable",  no "surprise"...
"I far prefer the Rockpalast show : more "adventurous" playing,  rather than too much "compfort" playing nowadays..."


it seems that this feeling is shared by many people....

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Re: Another Dylan album in the works
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2014, 03:06:47 PM »
I'm glad I'm not alone in this.

None of what I have said is intended as criticism of MK. I like the floky-bluesy-rocky mixture of his recent sets. He does what he does and he does it well but there is a certain predictability about it. I rarely turn up to an MK show asking myself, "I wonder what we'll get tonight?"

To get back to where I started - Mr Bob doing a Sinatra song. If memory serves, he's done a few such in concert and he certainly played quite a few Sinatra records in his "Theme Time Radio Hour" shows (there were 100 of those, by the way - another indication of his work ethic and his sheer love for music and, indeed, his love for a vast range of different musical styles). He also performed at Sinatra's birthday bash, apparently ready to sing a Sinatra song but doing one of his own at Mr Frank's request. So Dylan and Sinatra do have what I might call some kind of track record together. Nevertheless, I would not have expected a Sinatra-style album from Dylan, which is what we are going to get according to reports. It's another example of Mr Bob pushing the boundaries, of confounding expectations and of taking risks. Love Mr Bob or hate him, he's out there doing what he wants to do, come what may.

And it should be the same for MK. He should not do anything other than what he himself wants to do and not just that but also in the way that he wants to do it. My intention here is not to criticise him for that but I just feel that there is more to him and his talent than we have seen or heard to date.  There is something untapped there. If he wants to go along in this fairly predicatable way, fair enough. That will be fine with most of you, I'm sure, but it's like he's selling himself short, sticking to what he knows best and limiting his potential in consequence. In the DVD "No Direction Home", Mr Bob says, talking of his early days,  "I was a musical expeditionary" and, I would argue, that he has remained a musical expeditionary over the years and still is.

And Mark admires expeditionaries - Mr Bob, of course - but not just musical expeditionaries. He has written about Mason and Dixon going out from here over to the new lands. He has written about privateers, roaming the seas in search of fame and fortune. But writing about it is one thing; doing it for himself, in a musical sense, is quite another.

Musically and lyrically, I am sure there is more to Mark Knopfler than we have seen to date but does he have the will, the self-confidence and the sheer bloody-mindedness  not just to nudge at the doors ahead but to kick the bloody things down?

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Re: Another Dylan album in the works
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2014, 09:30:33 PM »
Oh the theme time shows, don't get me started, best thing on any radio station ever. Great music and a drop dead funny mr.bob ;)
Cannot recommend it enough!
any Knopfler, Floyd or Dylan will do....

 

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