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As you can see, there are many nuances and details that cover the universe of a Dire Straits tour, only in their songs I was able to point out some variables within the same tour, and I guarantee that I am summarizing, highlighting the most important points to show how I realized that there was something wrong, anachronistic with the recording Luxemburg 1983. Deals like these are spread throughout the tours in different ways and I have everything mapped out in my mind and typed files, where I put my analyzes and perspectives, for those who know One day, I can organize and give a broader destiny...   :think :wave
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I analyzed the bootleg 1983.xx.xx - Once upon a time in 1983 (Unknown date and place) and found that it has the characteristic of a bridge that makes a transition between Portobello Belle and Tunnel os Love, but it still does not contain the definitive DEFINITE adjustment for Portobello Belle - solo HAMMOND + GUITAR + SAX, that is, it maintains the same pattern between the bootlegs Zürich 1983.05.24 and 1983.05.31 - Brussels 1983 (Forest National, Brussels, Belgium), which are bootlegs that have a bridge that makes a transition between Portobello Belle and Tunnel os Love, but it still does not contain the definitive DEFINITE adjustment for Portobello Belle - solo HAMMOND + GUITAR + SAX. Therefore, I can conclude that this is a recording of one of these shows:

24.05.1983 Hallenstadion Zürich Switzerland
25.05.1983 Patinoire des Vernets Geneva Switzerland
26.05.1983 Patinoire des Vernets Geneva Switzerland
27.05.1983 Palais des Sports Grenoble France
28.05.1983 St. Jakob Sporthalle Basel Switzerland
30.05.1983 Centre Sportif Differdange
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Marks wears same clothes, so I think it'fs from january


in october he was always wearing clothes like in Chorus TV show

For me it is paradoxical, since I also never saw him using a Musicman amp before October 1978.
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Attention, I will say in advance that this publication is intended only for Bootleg collectors. If you find it boring, do not continue, do not waste your time, I recognize that it may be boring for those who are not used to what I will TRY to explain in a language that is not mine.

On April 08, 2017 I published a topic here on the forum with the title: "Deciphering an enigma- Bootleg "Paris 22/06/1983", where I brought a discovery I had made about this bootleg and started a debate that must have been especially interesting for bootleg collectors,

https://www.amarkintime.org/forum/index.php?topic=5824.0

Today, I will do the same, this time, about the bootleg 1983.05.30 - Luxembourg 1983 (Centre Sportif, Differdange), later, some light on an obscure bootleg with the title: 1983.xx.xx - Once upon a time in 1983 (Unknown date and place).

There is an anachronism in the Bootleg Luxembourg 1983.

The recording "Luxembourg 83" has a false place and date, it cannot be on the date 1983.05.30, because the recording contains all the characteristics of the bootlegs that precede the Frankfurt bootleg 21-05-83. The version of Portobello Belle on the recording "Luxembourg 83" has a pattern WITHOUT a bridge with Tunnel of Love, therefore, it is a recording that precedes the way the band was playing on 1983.05.30.

This will require a little attention and knowledge of some details and characteristics that are scattered in bootlegs of the LOG tour 83, but I should leave here a small script to guide and explain how I reached certain conclusions.

Taking into account THREE FACTS that I identified:

(ALWAYS PAY ATTENTION TO THE DATES and the format of the songs, this is fundamental to understand)
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1- The versions of Portobello Belle during the LOG tour 82-83 have the following variations and characteristics: 0.1-Live in 1982: When Mark sings the last phrase of the song, always starts with a guitar solo by Hal Lindes, followed by Hammond by Alan Clark, (absence of sax); 0.2-versions in Australia, New Zealand and Japan, after singing the last phrase of the song... a guitar solo by Hal Lindes, followed by a sax solo by Paul Williamson and Hammond by Alan Clark;0.3- between Kassel 1983.05.15 and 1983.05.31 - Brussels, guitar solo by Hal Lindes, followed by a Hammond solo by Alan Clark and a sax solo by Mel Collins; The bootleg 1983.06.13 -0.4 Den Bosch 1983 is the first recording to contain the definitive DEFINITIVE adjustment for Portobello Belle - HAMMOND solo + GUITAR + SAX, (better known format, due to the version on the MFN compilation RELEASED IN 1988) and follows this pattern until the end of the tour, at Alchemy.

2- The bootleg Frankfurt 21-05-83 is the last recording to contain a version of Portobello Belle WITHOUT a bridge with Tunnel of Love. Up until now, Tunnel of Love started with Terry Williams and then Alan on his piano, there is literally a pause between both songs up until this point in the tour, that is, between the first bootleg available from the beginning of the LOG tour, live in Sheffield 01.12.82, until Frankfurt 21-05-83, Portobello Belle has an ending without the famous bridge that we know from famous bootlegs like Paris 83, which makes a transition full of atmosphere, quite inspired with a sax solo extending at the end of PB to create a transition to TOL.

 

3- The Bootleg Zürich 1983.05.24 is the first recording to contain a bridge that transitions between Portobello Belle and Tunnel of Love and this continues until the end of the tour with Alchemy.



Now that I have shed light on these small details, but whoever analyzes them will see that they are decisive, I hope to have made it easier to understand the paths I took in my "die hard" research, to confirm what I discovered about the bootleg 1983.05.30 - Luxembourg 1983 (Centre Sportif, Differdange), which was named and dated incorrectly.

Based on the tour dates on the wonderful On Every Bootleg website
https://www.oneverybootleg.nl/tourdates_1982_1983.htm
My guess is that this recording is possibly one of these shows:

11.05.1983 Ernst Merck-Halle Hamburg Germany
12.05.1983 Broendbyhalle Copenhagen Denmark
14.05.1983 Deutschlandhalle Berlin Germany
16.05.1983 Sporthalle Cologne Germany
Maybe even 22.05.1983 Eisstadion Mannheim Germany

These concert dates above predate the Zürich 1983.05.24 bootleg, which is the first recording to CONTAIN a bridge that transitions between Portobello Belle and Tunnel of Love, they have not yet been catalogued as bootlegs, but are strong candidates for being the recording misnamed as 1983.05.30 - Luxembourg 1983 (Centre Sportif, Differdange). There is definitely no actual recording of the show on 1983.05.30 - Luxembourg 1983 (Centre Sportif, Differdange).

I also noticed about the recording named 1983.05.30 - Luxembourg 1983- false place and date:

There is a version that contains Tunnel of love (cut) at 11:56 min and another version with Tunnel of love (cut) at 12:04 min.

There is also a version of this recording that was wrongly named Frankfurt 21-05-83.

Anyway, you should realize that for it to be 1983.05.30 - Luxembourg 1983, it would have to have other characteristics.
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Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum / Re: Book about MK's music & life
« Last post by border_reiver on November 19, 2024, 12:26:44 AM »
Great story indeed!

But... please tell me more about how Elliot Murphy met Sonny Landreth and the collaboration on 'Selling the Gold'  ;D
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Almost Straits / Fare Thee Well Northumberland Cover
« Last post by MagicElliott on November 18, 2024, 11:27:04 PM »
Apologies if this has been posted before.
I’ve mentioned before on here how underrated I think this song is.

I’m kind of gutted it wasn’t played live but then again, I’m not convinced it would have worked in a live setting for MK and band.

This is an interesting arrangement. Unsure how I feel about it-not sure I like how it seems to lift the mood of the song.

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Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum / Re: Rare Pic of the maple strat with original volume knob
« Last post by JF on November 18, 2024, 11:25:46 PM »
Marks wears same clothes, so I think it'fs from january


in october he was always wearing clothes like in Chorus TV show


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One Deep River / The Boy / Re: (11) This one’s not going to end well
« Last post by Robson on November 18, 2024, 07:01:59 PM »
This is definitely not going to end well.

A great pity  :(
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One Deep River / The Boy / Re: (11) This one’s not going to end well
« Last post by wayaman on November 18, 2024, 06:57:23 PM »
This is definitely not going to end well.
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One Deep River / The Boy / Re: (11) This one’s not going to end well
« Last post by Robson on November 18, 2024, 06:32:31 PM »
In the "Classic Rock" interview, the interviewer quotes the following line from the song:

"They whip up old lies to ride into power, and history comes back from hell".

When the interviewer asks MK if this is connected to the rise of right-wing parties in Europe and Trump, he agrees that that was on his mind when he wrote it.
After that, they have a long discussion about political extremism, fake news, people complaining and going on strike about whatever they don't like, whether it's social inequality or migration, people who can't cope with the world changing around them.
As far as I understand it, Mark doesn't actually make any political statement in the interview. He says it's far too complex, but people would like to have simple solutions.
 
So, TONGTEW seems to be a highly political song.
Somehow, when I was reading all that, I was reminded of Dylan's "Man of Peace" from the Infidels album: "Could be the fuhrer, could be the local priest, sometimes satan comes as a man of peace". I'm really curious now!


Is it possible to read this interview in its entirety?
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