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Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum / Re: Anachronism in the Luxembourg Bootleg 1983 and other discoveries

« Last post by the visitor on Today at 12:29:22 AM »

Always fascinated by your posts Brunno and detailed analysis of the audio...much appreciated 👏

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Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum / Re: Guy's Forum

« Last post by Robson on November 20, 2024, 02:07:40 AM »

Very good question from Julio:

I understand that anything you’re working on nowadays is you alone, meaning without MK, or is he involved in any way? Anything to work together is in the plans for next year?

GF:

No, we are involved in a few things together, and some on my own. For example today I’m doing pre-production work on the album I’m producing (at BG) for Our Man In The Field

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Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum / Re: Anachronism in the Luxembourg Bootleg 1983 and other discoveries

« Last post by Brunno Nunes on November 20, 2024, 12:57:22 AM »

Brunno I was counting on your opinion in the Bootlegs thread I started a few weeks ago. But I was more concerned with good quality concerts recorded from a console. It would be fun to propose and arrange such a list with absolute bootleg classics that you must have.

But the topic didn't get much attention I don't know why

https://www.amarkintime.org/forum/index.php?topic=8979.0

Because you were asking for soundboard bootlegs, which are very few and everyone knows them, so there isn't much to discuss.
As for audience tapes, that's another cookie. I mean, Vienna 83 or Stuttgart 85, for example, are as good as any soundboard concert.

I confess that I hadn't seen your topic, but I agree with what was mentioned here. If we are talking about audience bootlegs, there are precious moments that are worth gold in every tour, but, always subjective to each person's taste, on the other hand, there is a very interesting counterbalance which is the historical character that defines the importance of the event (bootleg), for example, Boston 79, or Roundhouse 78 because they have exclusive songs, which are rarely or never repeated like In My Car, Me and My Friends, Move it away, from (Birmingham Barbarella's, 4th July 1978), versions with curious errors like the version of Sultans of Swing, where Mark makes a curious mistake and manages to solve it in an interesting way with the band, present in the bootleg Copenhagen- 8.11.79, or the curious version of Solid Rock in Uniondale 1992 28.02.92 with the missing synthesizer introduction, in the format of the original formation, versions from 79... Anyway, these are some examples of what we can analyze.

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Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum / Re: Anachronism in the Luxembourg Bootleg 1983 and other discoveries

« Last post by JF on November 20, 2024, 12:55:31 AM »

sometimes a sounboard recording can be worse than an audience one

for example Cleveland 85 has an awful sound/mix

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Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum / Re: Anachronism in the Luxembourg Bootleg 1983 and other discoveries

« Last post by Robson on November 19, 2024, 08:44:06 PM »

Brunno I was counting on your opinion in the Bootlegs thread I started a few weeks ago. But I was more concerned with good quality concerts recorded from a console. It would be fun to propose and arrange such a list with absolute bootleg classics that you must have.

But the topic didn't get much attention I don't know why

https://www.amarkintime.org/forum/index.php?topic=8979.0

Because you were asking for soundboard bootlegs, which are very few and everyone knows them, so there isn't much to discuss.
As for audience tapes, that's another cookie. I mean, Vienna 83 or Stuttgart 85, for example, are as good as any soundboard concert.

Right. I accept the argument Not necessarily a console but are as good as any soundboard concert.

Vienna 83 or Stuttgart 85   

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Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum / Re: Anachronism in the Luxembourg Bootleg 1983 and other discoveries

« Last post by rmarques821 on November 19, 2024, 08:33:21 PM »

Brunno I was counting on your opinion in the Bootlegs thread I started a few weeks ago. But I was more concerned with good quality concerts recorded from a console. It would be fun to propose and arrange such a list with absolute bootleg classics that you must have.

But the topic didn't get much attention I don't know why

https://www.amarkintime.org/forum/index.php?topic=8979.0

Because you were asking for soundboard bootlegs, which are very few and everyone knows them, so there isn't much to discuss.
As for audience tapes, that's another cookie. I mean, Vienna 83 or Stuttgart 85, for example, are as good as any soundboard concert.

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Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum / Re: Anachronism in the Luxembourg Bootleg 1983 and other discoveries

« Last post by Robson on November 19, 2024, 07:03:50 PM »

Brunno I was counting on your opinion in the Bootlegs thread I started a few weeks ago. But I was more concerned with good quality concerts recorded from a console. It would be fun to propose and arrange such a list with absolute bootleg classics that you must have.

But the topic didn't get much attention I don't know why

https://www.amarkintime.org/forum/index.php?topic=8979.0

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Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum / Re: Anachronism in the Luxembourg Bootleg 1983 and other discoveries

« Last post by Brunno Nunes on November 19, 2024, 06:19:46 PM »

Just to point out, once again.

As for the bootleg 1983.xx.xx - Once upon a time in 1983 (Date and location unknown), it could be any of the dates below from uncatalogued bootlegs, including the real 30.05.1983 Centre Sportif Differdange Luxembourg. The recording has all the characteristics of this period of the tour, which corresponds to 24.05.1983 Hallenstadion Zürich Switserland to 12.06.1983 Ijsselhal Zwolle The Netherlands

So, it could be the following dates not yet catalogued:

25.05.1983 Patinoire des Vernets Geneva Switserland
26.05.1983 Patinoire des Vernets Geneva Switserland
27.05.1983 Palais des Sports Grenoble France
28.05.1983 St. Jakob Sporthalle Basel Switserland
30.05.1983 Centre Sportif Differdange Luxembourg
01.06.1983 Forest National Brussels Belgium
12.06.1983 Ijsselhal

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Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum / Re: Anachronism in the Luxembourg Bootleg 1983 and other discoveries

« Last post by Brunno Nunes on November 19, 2024, 05:43:18 PM »

The recording with the name Luxemburgo 83 has all the characteristics of the songs that make up the following tour period: (based on analysis of the recordings)

11.05.1983 Ernst Merck-Halle Hamburg Germany
12.05.1983 Brondbyhalle Copenhagen Denmark
14.05.1983 Deutschlandhalle Berlin Germany
15.05.1983 Eissporthalle Kassel Germany
16.05.1983 Sporthalle Cologne Germany
18.05.1983 Stadthalle Vienna Austria
19.05.1983 Stadthalle Linz Austria
20.05.1983 Olympiahalle Munich Germany
21.05.1983 Festalle Frankfurt Germany

We have recordings of:

15.05.1983 Eissporthalle Kassel Germany
18.05.1983 Stadthalle Vienna Austria
19.05.1983 Stadthalle Linz Austria
20.05.1983 Olympiahalle Munich Germany
21.05.1983 Festalle Frankfurt Germany

So it's a recording from one of these dates:

11.05.1983 Ernst Merck-Halle Hamburg Germany
12.05.1983 Brondbyhalle Copenhagen Denmark
14.05.1983     Deutschlandhalle Berlin Germany
16.05.1983 Sporthalle Cologne Germany

Maybe even 22.05.1983 Eisstadion Mannheim Germany, but most likely it's a recording from 23.05.1983 Hallenstadion Zürich Switzerland, once we have the recording from the following night, 24.05.1983 Hallenstadion Zürich Switzerland and In it we can already see for the first time a bridge between PB and TOL. If you hear someone speaking in Swiss at the beginning of PI it is quite possible that Luxembourg 83 is actually 23.05.1983 Hallenstadion Zürich Switzerland, however, the speech of someone in the audience is not very reliable to define the place, since it could be a tourist and these countries are small and close, unlike a continental country like Brazil and the United States, where the people speak the same language.

It is becoming clearer.

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Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum / Re: Anachronism in the Luxembourg Bootleg 1983 and other discoveries

« Last post by Pottel on November 19, 2024, 05:32:33 PM »

obviously a luxemburgian should listen to that part as well as it seems to be the only spot on the bootleg with audible audience chatter