A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: Robson on October 29, 2024, 08:31:54 PM
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Mark is a really mysterious guy. He could have made more noise and publicity, and he muted everything. He muted Dire Straits. There was never an official end to DS's career. He was not in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. He muted his last tour. He didn't call it a farewell tour, although he mentioned that these were his last concerts, but if he wanted to, he would have called it a farewell tour, like Fish and many others. But not Mark. Again, he did it his way and against the prevailing trends. I like this. But it also amazes .
Sometimes I think we don't know Mark Knopfler at all.
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Mysterious is the word that describes somebody who actively wants to be perceived as mysterious, Mark just wants to be private and successful. All we need to know is that he is cool. Everything he does is cool (give me an example of something he's done that's NOT cool, human relations aside). It's a very rare and very special breed of people, the ones I have a very deep affection towards. They know what they want, they respect their talent, they stay humble and grounded at all times, and they work hard. Mark deserves to be knighted more than anyone. Hopefully, one day, he'll get this recognition for a lifetime of being cool.
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Mysterious is the word that describes somebody who actively wants to be perceived as mysterious, Mark just wants to be private and successful. All we need to know is that he is cool. Everything he does is cool (give me an example of something he's done that's NOT cool, human relations aside). It's a very rare and very special breed of people, the ones I have a very deep affection towards. They know what they want, they respect their talent, they stay humble and grounded at all times, and they work hard. Mark deserves to be knighted more than anyone. Hopefully, one day, he'll get this recognition for a lifetime of being cool.
I completely agree.
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Mysterious is the word that describes somebody who actively wants to be perceived as mysterious, Mark just wants to be private and successful. All we need to know is that he is cool. Everything he does is cool (give me an example of something he's done that's NOT cool, human relations aside). It's a very rare and very special breed of people, the ones I have a very deep affection towards. They know what they want, they respect their talent, they stay humble and grounded at all times, and they work hard. Mark deserves to be knighted more than anyone. Hopefully, one day, he'll get this recognition for a lifetime of being cool.
Everything he does is cool ??
Do you know the man personally. I guess you have no clue how he is as a father, partner, family member, friend, boss, colleague.
I would say he is my musical hero, he (among others) set the music to my teenage years in the 80´es. Followed him ever since.
But to say everything the man does is cool, wow. Any of your musical hero´s could be cool then. You have no idea what is going on behind the curtains.
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Mysterious is the word that describes somebody who actively wants to be perceived as mysterious, Mark just wants to be private and successful. All we need to know is that he is cool. Everything he does is cool (give me an example of something he's done that's NOT cool, human relations aside). It's a very rare and very special breed of people, the ones I have a very deep affection towards. They know what they want, they respect their talent, they stay humble and grounded at all times, and they work hard. Mark deserves to be knighted more than anyone. Hopefully, one day, he'll get this recognition for a lifetime of being cool.
Everything he does is cool ??
Do you know the man personally. I guess you have no clue how he is as a father, partner, family member, friend, boss, colleague.
I would say he is my musical hero, he (among others) set the music to my teenage years in the 80´es. Followed him ever since.
But to say everything the man does is cool, wow. Any of your musical hero´s could be cool then. You have no idea what is going on behind the curtains.
Ah, the classic "You need to be a professional chef to gauge the quality of food in a restaurant". Why should I care about what happens behind the scenes? Why do I need to know somebody personally? I have enough clues and life experience to come to my conclusions, and 99% of people who worked with MK talk favourably about him, saying he's generous, creative, modest and professional, and only a few people ever said he's an asshole, and we know only one side of the story (theirs).
There are many "cool" famous people in the world. It's simply about being professional and consistent, avoiding scandals and drama, doing what you want, using your fame and power well, living a full life, and all these things. As the original poster said, Mark had a lot of opportunities to ride on the wave of trends and/or exploit his own limitations to make more money and be more famous, but he chose not to. And this, to me, is the very definition of being cool.
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Mysterious is the word that describes somebody who actively wants to be perceived as mysterious, Mark just wants to be private and successful. All we need to know is that he is cool. Everything he does is cool (give me an example of something he's done that's NOT cool, human relations aside). It's a very rare and very special breed of people, the ones I have a very deep affection towards. They know what they want, they respect their talent, they stay humble and grounded at all times, and they work hard. Mark deserves to be knighted more than anyone. Hopefully, one day, he'll get this recognition for a lifetime of being cool.
Everything he does is cool ??
Do you know the man personally. I guess you have no clue how he is as a father, partner, family member, friend, boss, colleague.
I would say he is my musical hero, he (among others) set the music to my teenage years in the 80´es. Followed him ever since.
But to say everything the man does is cool, wow. Any of your musical hero´s could be cool then. You have no idea what is going on behind the curtains.
Ah, the classic "You need to be a professional chef to gauge the quality of food in a restaurant". Why should I care about what happens behind the scenes? Why do I need to know somebody personally? I have enough clues and life experience to come to my conclusions, and 99% of people who worked with MK talk favourably about him, saying he's generous, creative, modest and professional, and only a few people ever said he's an asshole, and we know only one side of the story (theirs).
There are many "cool" famous people in the world. It's simply about being professional and consistent, avoiding scandals and drama, doing what you want, using your fame and power well, living a full life, and all these things. As the original poster said, Mark had a lot of opportunities to ride on the wave of trends and/or exploit his own limitations to make more money and be more famous, but he chose not to. And this, to me, is the very definition of being cool.
Because you cannot state everything he does is cool simply because you dont know the guy. Its a fact. To compare it to food in a restaurant is ridiculous.
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Now I regret I wrote something on AMIT again.
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I regret starting this thread :(
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Quizzy excluded personal human relations and talked about him as an artist and musician being cool. Peterromer just had a bad day at the office obviously to come up with such a toxic reply. Of course Quizzy can state that everything MK does is cool. It's an opinion, facts have nothing to do with it. So Peterromer come on, you can do better! You write here very rarely. Is Quizzy triggering you that much? Please read his post again, I can't find anything in it that deserves such a heavy reply.
Just for the record, I also do not think that everything MK does is cool. (Whisky/Gin endorsement, using Kemper, not trying to make peace with David, writing Terminal Tribute To ... ) But my opinion is as valid as yours or Quizzy's. No need to attack me or him. Greetings!
LE
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Quizzy excluded personal human relations and talked about him as an artist and musician being cool. Peterromer just had a bad day at the office obviously to come up with such a toxic reply. Of course Quizzy can state that everything MK does is cool. It's an opinion, facts have nothing to do with it. So Peterromer come on, you can do better! You write here very rarely. Is Quizzy triggering you that much? Please read his post again, I can't find anything in it that deserves such a heavy reply.
Just for the record, I also do not think that everything MK does is cool. (Whisky/Gin endorsement, using Kemper, not trying to make peace with David, writing Terminal Tribute To ... ) But my opinion is as valid as yours or Quizzy's. No need to attack me or him. Greetings!
LE
What's wrong with whisky/gin endorsement really? I bought ten bottles of his Portobello gin.
Would love to know which kind of whisky MK drinks on a cold, rainy saturday night. He seems like a Lagavulin 16 kind of guy.
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Quizzy excluded personal human relations and talked about him as an artist and musician being cool. Peterromer just had a bad day at the office obviously to come up with such a toxic reply. Of course Quizzy can state that everything MK does is cool. It's an opinion, facts have nothing to do with it. So Peterromer come on, you can do better! You write here very rarely. Is Quizzy triggering you that much? Please read his post again, I can't find anything in it that deserves such a heavy reply.
Just for the record, I also do not think that everything MK does is cool. (Whisky/Gin endorsement, using Kemper, not trying to make peace with David, writing Terminal Tribute To ... ) But my opinion is as valid as yours or Quizzy's. No need to attack me or him. Greetings!
LE
I am not having a bad day LE, and clearly yes all opinions are valid, that is not what I am saying. I just cannot see the logic behind claiming that all MK is doing is cool because we dont know.
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Quizzy excluded personal human relations and talked about him as an artist and musician being cool. Peterromer just had a bad day at the office obviously to come up with such a toxic reply. Of course Quizzy can state that everything MK does is cool. It's an opinion, facts have nothing to do with it. So Peterromer come on, you can do better! You write here very rarely. Is Quizzy triggering you that much? Please read his post again, I can't find anything in it that deserves such a heavy reply.
Just for the record, I also do not think that everything MK does is cool. (Whisky/Gin endorsement, using Kemper, not trying to make peace with David, writing Terminal Tribute To ... ) But my opinion is as valid as yours or Quizzy's. No need to attack me or him. Greetings!
LE
What's wrong with whisky/gin endorsement really? I bought ten bottles of his Portobello gin.
Would love to know which kind of whisky MK drinks on a cold, rainy saturday night. He seems like a Lagavulin 16 kind of guy.
Again, nothing wrong with it, just to me, it's not "cool" (maybe because I don't drink). I was just surprised to see him doing it and had not expected it. Cheers! ;D
LE
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When did he endorse whisky, except for the end-of-tour tea joke?
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When did he endorse whisky, except for the end-of-tour tea joke?
I don't know, but I would love to.
All I know is that he used to drink a lot of whiskey with Bob Dylan when he was living in NYC. Or maybe LE is referring to the fact that a lot of his songs have references to whiskey, but I don't see how that could be an endorsement.
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I'm looking at Mark from the perspective of one who once was a die-hard fan and today barely listens to his music. When I compare him with other artists of his stature and caliber, I think there's nothing particularly mysterious about Mark. He's a private man who doesn't like much public attention, but the same goes for tons of other artists as well. Dylan is mysterious, but not Mark. And as for cool, it's probably the last thing I'd say to describe Mark. He goes his own way, ignores trends, but does that make him particularly cool? Not in my book.
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When did he endorse whisky, except for the end-of-tour tea joke?
I don't know, but I would love to.
All I know is that he used to drink a lot of whiskey with Bob Dylan when he was living in NYC. Or maybe LE is referring to the fact that a lot of his songs have references to whiskey, but I don't see how that could be an endorsement.
Was it gin, perhaps?
https://www.tyndrumwhisky.com/portobello-road-mark-knopfler-gin.html (https://www.tyndrumwhisky.com/portobello-road-mark-knopfler-gin.html).
Someone must have liked it a lot, because it's sold out. :lol
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Mark is a really mysterious guy. He could have made more noise and publicity, and he muted everything. He muted Dire Straits. There was never an official end to DS's career. He was not in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. He muted his last tour. He didn't call it a farewell tour, although he mentioned that these were his last concerts, but if he wanted to, he would have called it a farewell tour, like Fish and many others. But not Mark. Again, he did it his way and against the prevailing trends. I like this. But it also amazes .
Sometimes I think we don't know Mark Knopfler at all.
Going back to the original post, which doesn't mention "cool".
Robson, I think you're quite right, it is a bit mysterious how he has always managed to keep this very low profile, and why it seems so important to him to be almost anonymous.
I honestly think that all he ever wanted was to play music, back in the 60s and 70s, to be successful enough to make a living. And then they got hit by this unexpected mega success and the superstar madness of the 80s, which he was obviously uncomfortable with.
He seemed like a completely different person with the Hillbillies!
About the farewell tours: maybe MK hadn't actually decided that it was the final tour, hoping that there might be another tour later.
It's a bit embarrassing when you've done your "farewell tour" and then come back every two years. Some artists maybe think they need that label to sell enough tickets? Fish used to sell out big venues with Marillion, today it's maybe more difficult.
And that's the thing about MK: although he wanted to downsize, he was straight back to venues of 10,000 with STP, the last tour was pretty much sold out as well, and ODR went to no. 1 again with comparably little promotion. Pretty mysterious, I think.
And apparently, he's still got "it"... on the DTRW tour, I was seated next to a middle-aged lady and her friend. She told me that she'd never listened to his music before and preferred 80s rock. Then, when he got out his red strat for STP and played the first notes, she was watching him in wide-eyed wonder and said: "I've just fallen in love!" :)
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Jesus Christ you lot. I have never read such drivel. For heaven’s sake get a life!
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Jesus Christ you lot. I have never read such drivel. For heaven’s sake get a life!
Thank you. I'll think about it.
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Jesus Christ you lot. I have never read such drivel. For heaven’s sake get a life!
You've been a member for 14 years so you must have :D
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Jesus Christ you lot. I have never read such drivel. For heaven’s sake get a life!
You've been a member for 14 years so you must have :D
I’ve resisted saying such a thing for years but upon reading this thread, or at least as much of it as I could stand, I just couldn’t help myself!
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Just scrolling through the 18 pages of your own posts, checking out the high quality of what you were giving to the forum...
LE
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Mark is a really mysterious guy. He could have made more noise and publicity, and he muted everything. He muted Dire Straits. There was never an official end to DS's career. He was not in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. He muted his last tour. He didn't call it a farewell tour, although he mentioned that these were his last concerts, but if he wanted to, he would have called it a farewell tour, like Fish and many others. But not Mark. Again, he did it his way and against the prevailing trends. I like this. But it also amazes .
Sometimes I think we don't know Mark Knopfler at all.
Going back to the original post, which doesn't mention "cool".
Robson, I think you're quite right, it is a bit mysterious how he has always managed to keep this very low profile, and why it seems so important to him to be almost anonymous.
I honestly think that all he ever wanted was to play music, back in the 60s and 70s, to be successful enough to make a living. And then they got hit by this unexpected mega success and the superstar madness of the 80s, which he was obviously uncomfortable with.
He seemed like a completely different person with the Hillbillies!
About the farewell tours: maybe MK hadn't actually decided that it was the final tour, hoping that there might be another tour later.
It's a bit embarrassing when you've done your "farewell tour" and then come back every two years. Some artists maybe think they need that label to sell enough tickets? Fish used to sell out big venues with Marillion, today it's maybe more difficult.
And that's the thing about MK: although he wanted to downsize, he was straight back to venues of 10,000 with STP, the last tour was pretty much sold out as well, and ODR went to no. 1 again with comparably little promotion. Pretty mysterious, I think.
And apparently, he's still got "it"... on the DTRW tour, I was seated next to a middle-aged lady and her friend. She told me that she'd never listened to his music before and preferred 80s rock. Then, when he got out his red strat for STP and played the first notes, she was watching him in wide-eyed wonder and said: "I've just fallen in love!" :)
Very good text, very good commentary. :thumbsup
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Mysterious is the word that describes somebody who actively wants to be perceived as mysterious, Mark just wants to be private and successful. All we need to know is that he is cool. Everything he does is cool (give me an example of something he's done that's NOT cool, human relations aside). It's a very rare and very special breed of people, the ones I have a very deep affection towards. They know what they want, they respect their talent, they stay humble and grounded at all times, and they work hard. Mark deserves to be knighted more than anyone. Hopefully, one day, he'll get this recognition for a lifetime of being cool.
It's true, the man just oozes cool.
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/a4/2b/0f/a42b0f59f1f57c565aa238ef7cee09f2.jpg)
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I'm looking at Mark from the perspective of one who once was a die-hard fan and today barely listens to his music. When I compare him with other artists of his stature and caliber, I think there's nothing particularly mysterious about Mark. He's a private man who doesn't like much public attention, but the same goes for tons of other artists as well. Dylan is mysterious, but not Mark. And as for cool, it's probably the last thing I'd say to describe Mark. He goes his own way, ignores trends, but does that make him particularly cool? Not in my book.
I THINK you are from the UK like I am? If so you are probably a bit bemused to see MK described as "cool".
MK and DS were never "cool" here. Quite the opposite in fact. A lot of this was down to journos who were/are musical snobs, but I still find it amusing.
Ironically, DS maybe is quite cool now with young people who discover it on Spotify and don't have the 80s yuppie baggage.
(https://media1.tenor.com/m/q7pVuP84-CsAAAAd/milhouse-the-simpsons.gif)
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Now I regret I wrote something on AMIT again.
a little feedback and you give up already quizzy? getting old or something?
did not take you for a quitter...
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Quizzy excluded personal human relations and talked about him as an artist and musician being cool. Peterromer just had a bad day at the office obviously to come up with such a toxic reply. Of course Quizzy can state that everything MK does is cool. It's an opinion, facts have nothing to do with it. So Peterromer come on, you can do better! You write here very rarely. Is Quizzy triggering you that much? Please read his post again, I can't find anything in it that deserves such a heavy reply.
Just for the record, I also do not think that everything MK does is cool. (Whisky/Gin endorsement, using Kemper, not trying to make peace with David, writing Terminal Tribute To ... ) But my opinion is as valid as yours or Quizzy's. No need to attack me or him. Greetings!
LE
What's wrong with whisky/gin endorsement really? I bought ten bottles of his Portobello gin.
Would love to know which kind of whisky MK drinks on a cold, rainy saturday night. He seems like a Lagavulin 16 kind of guy.
pretty sure he is a Yamazaki kind of guy
Japanese Whisky for life!
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Mysterious is the word that describes somebody who actively wants to be perceived as mysterious, Mark just wants to be private and successful. All we need to know is that he is cool. Everything he does is cool (give me an example of something he's done that's NOT cool, human relations aside). It's a very rare and very special breed of people, the ones I have a very deep affection towards. They know what they want, they respect their talent, they stay humble and grounded at all times, and they work hard. Mark deserves to be knighted more than anyone. Hopefully, one day, he'll get this recognition for a lifetime of being cool.
It's true, the man just oozes cool.
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/a4/2b/0f/a42b0f59f1f57c565aa238ef7cee09f2.jpg)
stroking that belgian sheperd reminds me of that other sheperd lover but that one was active in a totally different field...the evil kind
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I'm looking at Mark from the perspective of one who once was a die-hard fan and today barely listens to his music. When I compare him with other artists of his stature and caliber, I think there's nothing particularly mysterious about Mark. He's a private man who doesn't like much public attention, but the same goes for tons of other artists as well. Dylan is mysterious, but not Mark. And as for cool, it's probably the last thing I'd say to describe Mark. He goes his own way, ignores trends, but does that make him particularly cool? Not in my book.
I THINK you are from the UK like I am? If so you are probably a bit bemused to see MK described as "cool".
MK and DS were never "cool" here. Quite the opposite in fact. A lot of this was down to journos who were/are musical snobs, but I still find it amusing.
Ironically, DS maybe is quite cool now with young people who discover it on Spotify and don't have the 80s yuppie baggage.
I'm not from the UK, but MK was never considered cool or hip where I live either, not outside fan circles. Quite popular and generally liked, but not cool nor mysterious. More like a regular guy who happens to be good at making music and playing the guitar.
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I used the word mysterious in the context of my first post. Maybe “mysterious” wasn't the best word but I couldn't find another word ;)
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What's wrong with whisky/gin endorsement really? I bought ten bottles of his Portobello gin.
Would love to know which kind of whisky MK drinks on a cold, rainy saturday night. He seems like a Lagavulin 16 kind of guy.
pretty sure he is a Yamazaki kind of guy
Japanese Whisky for life!
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10 bottles? :o So that's why the stuff is sold out now! :lol
I'm sure he loves Japanese things, especially those that come on two wheels.🏍
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What's wrong with whisky/gin endorsement really? I bought ten bottles of his Portobello gin.
Would love to know which kind of whisky MK drinks on a cold, rainy saturday night. He seems like a Lagavulin 16 kind of guy.
pretty sure he is a Yamazaki kind of guy
Japanese Whisky for life!
10 bottles? :o So that's why the stuff is sold out now! :lol
I'm sure he loves Japanese things, especially those that come on two wheels.🏍
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I don't know if it was 10, but certainly 6 or 7 I did.
It's not sold out, you can buy it on the Portobello Road website.
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I'm looking at Mark from the perspective of one who once was a die-hard fan and today barely listens to his music. When I compare him with other artists of his stature and caliber, I think there's nothing particularly mysterious about Mark. He's a private man who doesn't like much public attention, but the same goes for tons of other artists as well. Dylan is mysterious, but not Mark. And as for cool, it's probably the last thing I'd say to describe Mark. He goes his own way, ignores trends, but does that make him particularly cool? Not in my book.
I THINK you are from the UK like I am? If so you are probably a bit bemused to see MK described as "cool".
MK and DS were never "cool" here. Quite the opposite in fact. A lot of this was down to journos who were/are musical snobs, but I still find it amusing.
Ironically, DS maybe is quite cool now with young people who discover it on Spotify and don't have the 80s yuppie baggage.
(https://media1.tenor.com/m/q7pVuP84-CsAAAAd/milhouse-the-simpsons.gif)
You are absolutely right about this! Ds is very cool with the younger generation! I'm born in 93 and all my friends loves ds! Ive seem Ds become very popular on tiktok these days with the gen-z generation and such! I am aware of the fact that ds got a bed rep in the 80s after BIA got huge! But it seems like ds is viewed in a different way these days and have gotten a big young fanbase because of stuff like tiktok etc. They deserve to be regarded as the amazing band they were and MK as the great musician he is and in my book ds and also MK are "cool"😊
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Good to hear!
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You are absolutely right about this! Ds is very cool with the younger generation! I'm born in 93 and all my friends loves ds! Ive seem Ds become very popular on tiktok these days with the gen-z generation and such! I am aware of the fact that ds got a bed rep in the 80s after BIA got huge! But it seems like ds is viewed in a different way these days and have gotten a big young fanbase because of stuff like tiktok etc. They deserve to be regarded as the amazing band they were and MK as the great musician he is and in my book ds and also MK are "cool"😊
Wow, that's amazing! It's gen-z that is becoming more and more mysterious. You never know what they'll come up with next. Rollerskates, walkmen + tape - all the things we worked so hard to get rid of! :lol
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I am in the UK and I remember that time when you were looking for a cool band, the last place you would look it Dire Straits!! successful, yes, cool no, not that being cool ever bothered me, it doesn't mean anything anyway. To me, Mark has the best of everything, incredibly successful, well respected by others in the music industry and can maintain a private and low key personal life, and add to that, the fact he is very rich. Maybe he is cool after all :think
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https://youtu.be/foOXPds9-zM?si=szosbKwn21gndQc8
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I think I just used the wrong word. "Class" might be a better one than "cool"? As in class act?
Using Kemper might not be cool to someone, but giving a huge middle finger to the snob community and having enough courage to defy all expectations was a pretty classy move in my book. If it's good enough, why bother? I marvel at the outrage this decision generated.
My only wish would be for Mark to use cheap guitars more often, but apparently, that would not be classy or cool. The absence of cheaper signature guitars is one of the things I hate about MK, but the ones he produced are undeniably cool, classy and expensive AF.
Terminal Of Tribute To was also quite a subtle one. He said absolutely nothing about the matter except for releasing this song, and even so, it's a bonus track virtually only die-hards know about, and he recycled the melody and chords for a "proper" song later on anyway. Never said anything about it since. So nobody cares!
If there's something I hate, it is generalisation. Not everything MK does is cool or classy, but damn, the vast majority of things he's done (of which the vast majority is either recording music or playing music) certainly are classy and cool. I'm talking about music ;D
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Why not use the word cool?
For me Mark Knopfler is the coolest guy in the world because he's remained authentic from the beginning of his career to today. Doing his own thing, bucking every trend.
Mark Knopfler is Mark Knopfler and he always will be. Very admirable!
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Why not use the word cool?
For me Mark Knopfler is the coolest guy in the world because he's remained authentic from the beginning of his career to today. Doing his own thing, bucking every trend.
Mark Knopfler is Mark Knopfler and he always will be. Very admirable!
Finally, somebody actually agrees with me :lol
To be honest, at the time of writing my post about cool, I was watching a preview of a movie about the life of Humphrey Bogart called "Bogart: Life Comes in Flashes", and in it, somebody said, "No matter what he does comes out cool". And I thought that's a perfect line that would suit Mark. In fact, it would suit any human being who made himself and who remained authentic from start to finish. Bogart or Knopfler, if you're cool, no one can take it away from you.
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"Bogart or Knopfler, if you're cool, no one can take it away from you"
Of course it is.
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I think I just used the wrong word. "Class" might be a better one than "cool"? As in class act?
Using Kemper might not be cool to someone, but giving a huge middle finger to the snob community and having enough courage to defy all expectations was a pretty classy move in my book. If it's good enough, why bother? I marvel at the outrage this decision generated.
My only wish would be for Mark to use cheap guitars more often, but apparently, that would not be classy or cool. The absence of cheaper signature guitars is one of the things I hate about MK, but the ones he produced are undeniably cool, classy and expensive AF.
Terminal Of Tribute To was also quite a subtle one. He said absolutely nothing about the matter except for releasing this song, and even so, it's a bonus track virtually only die-hards know about, and he recycled the melody and chords for a "proper" song later on anyway. Never said anything about it since. So nobody cares!
If there's something I hate, it is generalisation. Not everything MK does is cool or classy, but damn, the vast majority of things he's done (of which the vast majority is either recording music or playing music) certainly are classy and cool. I'm talking about music ;D
"he recycled the melody and chords for a "proper" song later on anyway."
Which song was it ?
I love "Terminal Of Tribute To", regardless of the content/intent as we might think the story goes. We could all be wrong even though there are many hints.
So if he re-used the melody and chords for another song, that is interesting !. :thumbsup
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I think I just used the wrong word. "Class" might be a better one than "cool"? As in class act?
Using Kemper might not be cool to someone, but giving a huge middle finger to the snob community and having enough courage to defy all expectations was a pretty classy move in my book. If it's good enough, why bother? I marvel at the outrage this decision generated.
My only wish would be for Mark to use cheap guitars more often, but apparently, that would not be classy or cool. The absence of cheaper signature guitars is one of the things I hate about MK, but the ones he produced are undeniably cool, classy and expensive AF.
Terminal Of Tribute To was also quite a subtle one. He said absolutely nothing about the matter except for releasing this song, and even so, it's a bonus track virtually only die-hards know about, and he recycled the melody and chords for a "proper" song later on anyway. Never said anything about it since. So nobody cares!
If there's something I hate, it is generalisation. Not everything MK does is cool or classy, but damn, the vast majority of things he's done (of which the vast majority is either recording music or playing music) certainly are classy and cool. I'm talking about music ;D
"he recycled the melody and chords for a "proper" song later on anyway."
Which song was it ?
I love "Terminal Of Tribute To", regardless of the content/intent as we might think the story goes. We could all be wrong even though there are many hints.
So if he re-used the melody and chords for another song, that is interesting !. :thumbsup
I think it was "Back On The Dance Floor", if you combine it with the intro from "Tunnel 13" you'll basically have Terminal ;D
And yes, sure, he can say he wrote it about some movie or a character, and that beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
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I think I just used the wrong word. "Class" might be a better one than "cool"? As in class act?
Using Kemper might not be cool to someone, but giving a huge middle finger to the snob community and having enough courage to defy all expectations was a pretty classy move in my book. If it's good enough, why bother? I marvel at the outrage this decision generated.
My only wish would be for Mark to use cheap guitars more often, but apparently, that would not be classy or cool. The absence of cheaper signature guitars is one of the things I hate about MK, but the ones he produced are undeniably cool, classy and expensive AF.
Terminal Of Tribute To was also quite a subtle one. He said absolutely nothing about the matter except for releasing this song, and even so, it's a bonus track virtually only die-hards know about, and he recycled the melody and chords for a "proper" song later on anyway. Never said anything about it since. So nobody cares!
If there's something I hate, it is generalisation. Not everything MK does is cool or classy, but damn, the vast majority of things he's done (of which the vast majority is either recording music or playing music) certainly are classy and cool. I'm talking about music ;D
"he recycled the melody and chords for a "proper" song later on anyway."
Which song was it ?
I love "Terminal Of Tribute To", regardless of the content/intent as we might think the story goes. We could all be wrong even though there are many hints.
So if he re-used the melody and chords for another song, that is interesting !. :thumbsup
I think it was "Back On The Dance Floor", if you combine it with the intro from "Tunnel 13" you'll basically have Terminal ;D
And yes, sure, he can say he wrote it about some movie or a character, and that beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Thanks I will give it an extra listen, I did not hear that at the time.
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I think I just used the wrong word. "Class" might be a better one than "cool"? As in class act?
Using Kemper might not be cool to someone, but giving a huge middle finger to the snob community and having enough courage to defy all expectations was a pretty classy move in my book. If it's good enough, why bother? I marvel at the outrage this decision generated.
My only wish would be for Mark to use cheap guitars more often, but apparently, that would not be classy or cool. The absence of cheaper signature guitars is one of the things I hate about MK, but the ones he produced are undeniably cool, classy and expensive AF.
Terminal Of Tribute To was also quite a subtle one. He said absolutely nothing about the matter except for releasing this song, and even so, it's a bonus track virtually only die-hards know about, and he recycled the melody and chords for a "proper" song later on anyway. Never said anything about it since. So nobody cares!
If there's something I hate, it is generalisation. Not everything MK does is cool or classy, but damn, the vast majority of things he's done (of which the vast majority is either recording music or playing music) certainly are classy and cool. I'm talking about music ;D
"he recycled the melody and chords for a "proper" song later on anyway."
Which song was it ?
I love "Terminal Of Tribute To", regardless of the content/intent as we might think the story goes. We could all be wrong even though there are many hints.
So if he re-used the melody and chords for another song, that is interesting !. :thumbsup
I think it was "Back On The Dance Floor", if you combine it with the intro from "Tunnel 13" you'll basically have Terminal ;D
And yes, sure, he can say he wrote it about some movie or a character, and that beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Thanks I will give it an extra listen, I did not hear that at the time.
I still cannot hear any clear re-used song there, but maybe that is down to me not being a musician. You guys that are musicians can probably hear those kind of things way better than the rest of us. ;)
But I am a fan of both Tunnel 13 and TOTT.
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Lols. Loving the twisted arguments for making MK cool, reminds me of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX4u4J6m5Pg
Believe me, as someone who was a fan throughout the 1990s, MK was NOT cool then!
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I was a fan throughout the 90s as well, I remember that as well.
Nirvana was "cool", REM was "cool", the Red Hot Chili Peppers were "cool". MK wasn't.
But I don't care, in my view he's still one of the coolest cats in music, and always will be.
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“The Red Hot Turds” as MK called them in a grumpy OES tour moment.
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“The Red Hot Turds” as MK called them in a grumpy OES tour moment.
He did? I'd love to see that in context.
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“The Red Hot Turds” as MK called them in a grumpy OES tour moment.
He did? I'd love to see that in context.
Search Vox on the forum, I scanned the magazine a while back.
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I was 15 when I discovered Dire Straits (in 1991), and "cool" was the very first word that came to mind. That word is used in various ways (often just meaning "great"), but I always thought Mark was cool in the original sense of the word. I remember seeing him on stage during the On Every Street tour, and he was the epitome of coolness: Just standing there playing all that incredible stuff and barely raising an eyebrow, seemingly immune to any kind of bullshit, not bothered by anything or anyone, a superior being that has seen it all, and so obviously in a league of his own that he had no need whatsoever to show off. That's how he played, that's how he sang and behaved.
Of course his kind of music and style was way out of fashion back then already (not sure it ever was in fashion at all), but cool it was. Most definitely.
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“The Red Hot Turds” as MK called them in a grumpy OES tour moment.
He did? I'd love to see that in context.
Search Vox on the forum, I scanned the magazine a while back.
:thumbsup
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I have to confess that when I read The Quiet Man as a title for a new thread I got I bit frightened...
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“The Red Hot Turds” as MK called them in a grumpy OES tour moment.
Were there any un-grumpy OES tour moments? :lol
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I was 15 when I discovered Dire Straits (in 1991), and "cool" was the very first word that came to mind. That word is used in various ways (often just meaning "great"), but I always thought Mark was cool in the original sense of the word. I remember seeing him on stage during the On Every Street tour, and he was the epitome of coolness: Just standing there playing all that incredible stuff and barely raising an eyebrow, seemingly immune to any kind of bullshit, not bothered by anything or anyone, a superior being that has seen it all, and so obviously in a league of his own that he had no need whatsoever to show off. That's how he played, that's how he sang and behaved.
Of course his kind of music and style was way out of fashion back then already (not sure it ever was in fashion at all), but cool it was. Most definitely.
I agree all the way! :thumbsup
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From my point of view MK lost all coolness (if he ever had any) on the day he decided to make his headband a signature thing. His outfits from 1985 on were the opposite of cool. And his hair. His voice back in those days however was the coolest thing on earth.
LE
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LE your point of view on this issue is the opposite of what I always thought. For me, the moment he put on the headband was great and cool. It made him stand out and was rock'n'roll. Mark visually looked definitely better than he did during the 82/83 tour.The MFN video would have been impossible without all that. He's an icon of those years. All this stimulated my imagination that I wanted to have and had such an armband myself :) It was a fantastic time for DS for MK and I will always defend iconic headbands. They were great
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LE your point of view on this issue is the opposite of what I always thought. For me, the moment he put on the headband was great and cool. It made him stand out and was rock'n'roll. Mark visually looked definitely better than he did during the 82/83 tour.The MFN video would have been impossible without all that. He's an icon of those years. All this stimulated my imagination that I wanted to have and had such an armband myself :) It was a fantastic time for DS for MK and I will always defend iconic headbands. They were great
No, I'm not having that! :) The moment you try to be cool is the very moment you cease being cool.
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He’s never been perceived as cool in the UK. Popular but not cool. I went to his official youtube channel the other day and watched the MFN video from the Princes Trust where Sting as wailing like he’s in pain. It’s funny because the stage is full of major rockstars and the only 2 in stage gear are The most flamboyant and the least flamboyant (Elton John and MK). The rest are just wearing normal clothes. I found it rather ironic.
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Who do you guys think he wrote Terminal of Tribe To about then? DK?
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Who do you guys think he wrote Terminal of Tribe To about then? DK?
The guess has been always Phil Palmer or/and Alan Clark.
The sentence "you've been faking it so long" links to me to some things Bicknell said about a certain member of the band some wanted out but his talent save him, which in my opinion was Clark, very talented musician and arranger but apparently a personality.
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My guess is actually that Mark wrote Terminal as comment on the many bands with no or almost no original members and ridiculousness of keeping the enterprise. That the song fits the DSL / DSE situation I think is a convenient coincidence.
https://ultimateclassicrock.com/bands-no-original-members/
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My guess is actually that Mark wrote Terminal as comment on the many bands with no or almost no original members and ridiculousness of keeping the enterprise. That the song fits the DSL / DSE situation I think is a convenient coincidence.
https://ultimateclassicrock.com/bands-no-original-members/
Good thought :thumbsup
And by the way, fascinating how this thread has evolved. I never would have thought :)
DS Legacy is currently touring my country and I am curious about the presence of Danny Cummings. I think he is on special terms with Mark Knopfler ;)
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Very special.
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My guess is actually that Mark wrote Terminal as comment on the many bands with no or almost no original members and ridiculousness of keeping the enterprise. That the song fits the DSL / DSE situation I think is a convenient coincidence.
https://ultimateclassicrock.com/bands-no-original-members/
Good thought :thumbsup
And by the way, fascinating how this thread has evolved. I never would have thought :)
DS Legacy is currently touring my country and I am curious about the presence of Danny Cummings. I think he is on special terms with Mark Knopfler ;)
I guess Danny still wants to play live and earn money.
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LE your point of view on this issue is the opposite of what I always thought. For me, the moment he put on the headband was great and cool. It made him stand out and was rock'n'roll. Mark visually looked definitely better than he did during the 82/83 tour.The MFN video would have been impossible without all that. He's an icon of those years. All this stimulated my imagination that I wanted to have and had such an armband myself :) It was a fantastic time for DS for MK and I will always defend iconic headbands. They were great
No, I'm not having that! :) The moment you try to be cool is the very moment you cease being cool.
That is exactly what your profile picture suggests! ;D