A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => One Deep River / The Boy => Topic started by: Jules on January 30, 2024, 11:54:24 AM
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This One’s Not Going To End Well 4:00
This one's not going to end well
But after he's gone, the traders will trade
Fliers will fly, seafarers will ride on the swell
Shading their eyes in the glare of the sun
Though this one's not going to end well
For anyone
This one's not going to end well
But after he's gone, the gypsy will smile
And the poets will dream
And their fortunes in crystal she'll tell
As she looks in the glass where the stories are spun
Though this one's not going to end well
For anyone
Chained to the oars below
Or bound to the wheel
Drums beating hard and slow
Under the heel
This one's not going to end well
Still after he's gone, they'll whip up old lies
To ride into power, and history comes back from hell
Give a tyrant his way with the club and the gun
This one's not going to end well
For anyone
This one's not going to end well
For anyone
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I can't stop thinking about this title.
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I'm curious how it ends...
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I'm curious how it ends...
Twiddly bits?
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This won't be a happy song.
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This won't be a happy song.
Can be a blues song for all we know. Again, expectations are the enemy of excitement.
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This won't be a happy song.
Can be a blues song for all we know. Again, expectations are the enemy of excitement.
I'm not afraid of expectations. I have a positive attitude. There is a topic on the forum The new songs - A hypothesis and I am not the author :)
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Mark's oeuvre is full of fuck-up songs. My favorite is «Old Pigweed».
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Yes, when you put old pig weed in the gulas you know it is not going to end well
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This one’s not going to end well
But after he’s gone
The traders will trade
Flyers will fly
Seafarers will ride on the swell
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Where is this from?
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Where is this from?
https://www.gratefulweb.com/articles/mark-knopflers-one-deep-river-review
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Great find!
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Great find!
From cannibals :)
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This one’s not going to end well
But after he’s gone
The traders will trade
Flyers will fly
Seafarers will ride on the swell
Brexit?
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This one’s not going to end well
But after he’s gone
The traders will trade
Flyers will fly
Seafarers will ride on the swell
Brexit?
My Bacon Roll 2.0?
And I wonder what leaving Dire Straits would be called... Dire Strexit?
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My Bacon Roll wasn't about Brexit per se, but the character was described by MK as "Brexit man" and I knew exactly who he meant as soon as he said it. There are lots of them in the UK. They are pejoratively known as "gammons", basically old white men who don't like that things are changing and that lots of people don't want the country to be run by old white men anymore.
Here's a prime recent example:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/lee-anderson-defect-reform-uk-tories-sunak-b1144526.html
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Maybe about the pandemic?
After he's gone... The virus?
The life after the pandemic with all the damage and changes in our lives and way of living?
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Maybe about the pandemic?
After he's gone... The virus?
The life after the pandemic with all the damage and changes in our lives and way of living?
Could be!
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My Bacon Roll wasn't about Brexit per se, but the character was described by MK as "Brexit man" and I knew exactly who he meant as soon as he said it. There are lots of them in the UK. They are pejoratively known as "gammons", basically old white men who don't like that things are changing and that lots of people don't want the country to be run by old white men anymore.
Here's a prime recent example:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/lee-anderson-defect-reform-uk-tories-sunak-b1144526.html
Thanks for this explanation which is important. In Germany we have exactly the same term "alter weißer mann" which is used against every male who dares to have the slightest observations about anything that's woke etc. It is interesting that as usual MK offers both ways of understanding about that character, one can sympathize in a way with him. Maye MK detected a small Portion old white man within himself?
LE
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My Bacon Roll wasn't about Brexit per se, but the character was described by MK as "Brexit man" and I knew exactly who he meant as soon as he said it. There are lots of them in the UK. They are pejoratively known as "gammons", basically old white men who don't like that things are changing and that lots of people don't want the country to be run by old white men anymore.
Here's a prime recent example:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/lee-anderson-defect-reform-uk-tories-sunak-b1144526.html
Thanks for this explanation which is important. In Germany we have exactly the same term "alter weißer mann" which is used against every male who dares to have the slightest observations about anything that's woke etc. It is interesting that as usual MK offers both ways of understanding about that character, one can sympathize in a way with him. Maye MK detected a small Portion old white man within himself?
LE
Mmm, I don't detect much sympathy for the character in the song.
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My Bacon Roll wasn't about Brexit per se, but the character was described by MK as "Brexit man" and I knew exactly who he meant as soon as he said it. There are lots of them in the UK. They are pejoratively known as "gammons", basically old white men who don't like that things are changing and that lots of people don't want the country to be run by old white men anymore.
Here's a prime recent example:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/lee-anderson-defect-reform-uk-tories-sunak-b1144526.html
Thanks for this explanation which is important. In Germany we have exactly the same term "alter weißer mann" which is used against every male who dares to have the slightest observations about anything that's woke etc. It is interesting that as usual MK offers both ways of understanding about that character, one can sympathize in a way with him. Maye MK detected a small Portion old white man within himself?
LE
Mmm, I don't detect much sympathy for the character in the song.
You don't? The part where he's talking about team-building activities is hilarious. And I agree with LE, part of the appeal of Mark's "character" songs lies in the fact that he has both empathy and disgust for them.
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My Bacon Roll wasn't about Brexit per se, but the character was described by MK as "Brexit man" and I knew exactly who he meant as soon as he said it. There are lots of them in the UK. They are pejoratively known as "gammons", basically old white men who don't like that things are changing and that lots of people don't want the country to be run by old white men anymore.
Here's a prime recent example:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/lee-anderson-defect-reform-uk-tories-sunak-b1144526.html
Thanks for this explanation which is important. In Germany we have exactly the same term "alter weißer mann" which is used against every male who dares to have the slightest observations about anything that's woke etc. It is interesting that as usual MK offers both ways of understanding about that character, one can sympathize in a way with him. Maye MK detected a small Portion old white man within himself?
LE
Mmm, I don't detect much sympathy for the character in the song.
You don't? The part where he's talking about team-building activities is hilarious. And I agree with LE, part of the appeal of Mark's "character" songs lies in the fact that he has both empathy and disgust for them.
Totally right, he even said recently he wouldn’t write MFN today as it was punching down at someone. It’s generally not accepted anymore. Even edgy comedians don’t do it now. I think MK is obviously a progressive thinker with alot of money and he doesn’t take the piss out of the lower classes who have different life experiences. I would say it is more of an observation without opinion.
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My Bacon Roll wasn't about Brexit per se, but the character was described by MK as "Brexit man" and I knew exactly who he meant as soon as he said it. There are lots of them in the UK. They are pejoratively known as "gammons", basically old white men who don't like that things are changing and that lots of people don't want the country to be run by old white men anymore.
Here's a prime recent example:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/lee-anderson-defect-reform-uk-tories-sunak-b1144526.html
I find your comment absolutely ridiculous. I'm not sure why the colour of the skin is even relevant. I don't detect anything in the song that even refers to white people. Old black or asian people don't also struggle with things changing around them?
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Ok so my idea is rejected and the Bacon roll second part wins.
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Ok so my idea is rejected and the Bacon roll second part wins.
I think you're idea could be right. Let's wait and see ;)
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My Bacon Roll wasn't about Brexit per se, but the character was described by MK as "Brexit man" and I knew exactly who he meant as soon as he said it. There are lots of them in the UK. They are pejoratively known as "gammons", basically old white men who don't like that things are changing and that lots of people don't want the country to be run by old white men anymore.
Here's a prime recent example:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/lee-anderson-defect-reform-uk-tories-sunak-b1144526.html
I find your comment absolutely ridiculous. I'm not sure why the colour of the skin is even relevant. I don't detect anything in the song that even refers to white people. Old black or asian people don't also struggle with things changing around them?
It’s relevant because IN MY OPINION and also perhaps my importantly, in my experience, this is what “Brexit man” usually looks like, and MK says the song is about Brexit man. I don’t see myself like that, but clearly I’m in a minority in the UK, as those who wanted Brexit made up the majority here.
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My Bacon Roll wasn't about Brexit per se, but the character was described by MK as "Brexit man" and I knew exactly who he meant as soon as he said it. There are lots of them in the UK. They are pejoratively known as "gammons", basically old white men who don't like that things are changing and that lots of people don't want the country to be run by old white men anymore.
Here's a prime recent example:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/lee-anderson-defect-reform-uk-tories-sunak-b1144526.html
I find your comment absolutely ridiculous. I'm not sure why the colour of the skin is even relevant. I don't detect anything in the song that even refers to white people. Old black or asian people don't also struggle with things changing around them?
It’s relevant because IN MY OPINION and also perhaps my importantly, in my experience, this is what “Brexit man” usually looks like, and MK says the song is about Brexit man. I don’t see myself like that, but clearly I’m in a minority in the UK, as those who wanted Brexit made up the majority here.
I was deployed in the UK from 2014 to 2018 and, in my experience, the majority of the people I interacted with that wanted Brexit were British Indians and to a lesser extent Pakistanis, some of them had moved to UK back in the 70's. On the other hand, most of the white British people I talked to were in favour of remaining in the EU.
This is why I find the idea of the Brexit man as "white old man" as ridiculous and, in a way, quite discriminatory.
But I should also say, as a P.S., that I understand where you're coming from as this discourse against natives and "white old people" was becoming quite common among some factions of the political spectrum in the UK, at least when I was there, and being used for ideological reasons. So I understand very well what you mean. And since I haven't set foot in the UK since 2018, I can deduce it's still around.
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This one’s not going to end well
But after he’s gone
The traders will trade
Flyers will fly
Seafarers will ride on the swell
Brexit?
Maybe the general situation in the world. But I don't understand this sentence: But after he’s gone
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My Bacon Roll wasn't about Brexit per se, but the character was described by MK as "Brexit man" and I knew exactly who he meant as soon as he said it. There are lots of them in the UK. They are pejoratively known as "gammons", basically old white men who don't like that things are changing and that lots of people don't want the country to be run by old white men anymore.
Here's a prime recent example:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/lee-anderson-defect-reform-uk-tories-sunak-b1144526.html
I find your comment absolutely ridiculous. I'm not sure why the colour of the skin is even relevant. I don't detect anything in the song that even refers to white people. Old black or asian people don't also struggle with things changing around them?
It’s relevant because IN MY OPINION and also perhaps my importantly, in my experience, this is what “Brexit man” usually looks like, and MK says the song is about Brexit man. I don’t see myself like that, but clearly I’m in a minority in the UK, as those who wanted Brexit made up the majority here.
I was deployed in the UK from 2014 to 2018 and, in my experience, the majority of the people I interacted with that wanted Brexit were British Indians and to a lesser extent Pakistanis, some of them had moved to UK back in the 70's. On the other hand, most of the white British people I talked to were in favour of remaining in the EU.
This is why I find the idea of the Brexit man as "white old man" as ridiculous and, in a way, quite discriminatory.
But I should also say, as a P.S., that I understand where you're coming from as this discourse against natives and "white old people" was becoming quite common among some factions of the political spectrum in the UK, at least when I was there, and being used for ideological reasons. So I understand very well what you mean. And since I haven't set foot in the UK since 2018, I can deduce it's still around.
Ok, so your experience is the complete opposite of mine. That’s fine. I’m not going to start calling your posts ridiculous. But the idea that old white men are being discriminated against is amusing, and I say that as one myself. :)
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My Bacon Roll wasn't about Brexit per se, but the character was described by MK as "Brexit man" and I knew exactly who he meant as soon as he said it. There are lots of them in the UK. They are pejoratively known as "gammons", basically old white men who don't like that things are changing and that lots of people don't want the country to be run by old white men anymore.
Here's a prime recent example:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/lee-anderson-defect-reform-uk-tories-sunak-b1144526.html
I find your comment absolutely ridiculous. I'm not sure why the colour of the skin is even relevant. I don't detect anything in the song that even refers to white people. Old black or asian people don't also struggle with things changing around them?
It’s relevant because IN MY OPINION and also perhaps my importantly, in my experience, this is what “Brexit man” usually looks like, and MK says the song is about Brexit man. I don’t see myself like that, but clearly I’m in a minority in the UK, as those who wanted Brexit made up the majority here.
I was deployed in the UK from 2014 to 2018 and, in my experience, the majority of the people I interacted with that wanted Brexit were British Indians and to a lesser extent Pakistanis, some of them had moved to UK back in the 70's. On the other hand, most of the white British people I talked to were in favour of remaining in the EU.
This is why I find the idea of the Brexit man as "white old man" as ridiculous and, in a way, quite discriminatory.
But I should also say, as a P.S., that I understand where you're coming from as this discourse against natives and "white old people" was becoming quite common among some factions of the political spectrum in the UK, at least when I was there, and being used for ideological reasons. So I understand very well what you mean. And since I haven't set foot in the UK since 2018, I can deduce it's still around.
Ok, so your experience is the complete opposite of mine. That’s fine. I’m not going to start calling your posts ridiculous. But the idea that old white men are being discriminated against is amusing, and I say that as one myself. :)
I didn't say they are being discriminated against in general, I said your comment was discriminatory because it was based on racial and age profiling. Fortunately I come from a country and culture where making this kind of comment is (still) discriminatory, whether the people are young or old, white, black or blue, men, women or martians.
But, like I said, I did live in the UK for a while so I know the ideological reasons behind why (some) people do it.
Although this conversation derived from My Bacon Roll, I won't make any more comments on it, as this isn't a political or sociological forum.
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And it is the sub thread from title (11) from ODR which are threads that should collect all there is to know about the song, the lyrics etc. So if this matter is from so much importance that it needs more discussion, maybe a new own thread would be good.
I often use these threads from old albums because they collect a lot of interesting stuff. It would be good to keep these clear from off-topic discussions as much as possible in my opinion. It is not that I want to stop the discussion but the place where it takes place.
LE
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My Bacon Roll wasn't about Brexit per se, but the character was described by MK as "Brexit man" and I knew exactly who he meant as soon as he said it. There are lots of them in the UK. They are pejoratively known as "gammons", basically old white men who don't like that things are changing and that lots of people don't want the country to be run by old white men anymore.
Here's a prime recent example:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/lee-anderson-defect-reform-uk-tories-sunak-b1144526.html
I find your comment absolutely ridiculous. I'm not sure why the colour of the skin is even relevant. I don't detect anything in the song that even refers to white people. Old black or asian people don't also struggle with things changing around them?
It’s relevant because IN MY OPINION and also perhaps my importantly, in my experience, this is what “Brexit man” usually looks like, and MK says the song is about Brexit man. I don’t see myself like that, but clearly I’m in a minority in the UK, as those who wanted Brexit made up the majority here.
I was deployed in the UK from 2014 to 2018 and, in my experience, the majority of the people I interacted with that wanted Brexit were British Indians and to a lesser extent Pakistanis, some of them had moved to UK back in the 70's. On the other hand, most of the white British people I talked to were in favour of remaining in the EU.
This is why I find the idea of the Brexit man as "white old man" as ridiculous and, in a way, quite discriminatory.
But I should also say, as a P.S., that I understand where you're coming from as this discourse against natives and "white old people" was becoming quite common among some factions of the political spectrum in the UK, at least when I was there, and being used for ideological reasons. So I understand very well what you mean. And since I haven't set foot in the UK since 2018, I can deduce it's still around.
Ok, so your experience is the complete opposite of mine. That’s fine. I’m not going to start calling your posts ridiculous. But the idea that old white men are being discriminated against is amusing, and I say that as one myself. :)
I didn't say they are being discriminated against in general, I said your comment was discriminatory because it was based on racial and age profiling. Fortunately I come from a country and culture where making this kind of comment is (still) discriminatory, whether the people are young or old, white, black or blue, men, women or martians.
But, like I said, I did live in the UK for a while so I know the ideological reasons behind why (some) people do it.
Although this conversation derived from My Bacon Roll, I won't make any more comments on it, as this isn't a political or sociological forum.
Yes, yes, of course my comment about a fictional character is racial profiling and discriminatory against them, lol. Now who’s being ridiculous?!
“Brexit man” does not mean every man who voted for Brexit. It’s a specific type of person, and as I said, there were and still are, lots of them in the UK, and they are old white men. (Look! I did it again! Oh no! The fictional character should call a fictional lawyer and raise a fictional law suit against me!)
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In the "Classic Rock" interview, the interviewer quotes the following line from the song:
"They whip up old lies to ride into power, and history comes back from hell".
When the interviewer asks MK if this is connected to the rise of right-wing parties in Europe and Trump, he agrees that that was on his mind when he wrote it.
After that, they have a long discussion about political extremism, fake news, people complaining and going on strike about whatever they don't like, whether it's social inequality or migration, people who can't cope with the world changing around them.
As far as I understand it, Mark doesn't actually make any political statement in the interview. He says it's far too complex, but people would like to have simple solutions.
So, TONGTEW seems to be a highly political song.
Somehow, when I was reading all that, I was reminded of Dylan's "Man of Peace" from the Infidels album: "Could be the fuhrer, could be the local priest, sometimes satan comes as a man of peace". I'm really curious now!
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This also sort of confirms, in retrospect and to me, that "Heavy Up" was a (veiled) shot at Trump, or generally the kind of self-important person he represents.
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Agree. Simon Cowell springs to mind as well...
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Agree. Simon Cowell springs to mind as well...
Doesn't Simon Cowell appear in Early Bird?
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Agree. Simon Cowell springs to mind as well...
Doesn't Simon Cowell appear in Early Bird?
Yes, he does. But maybe MK dislikes him so much that he appears in two songs 🤣
It's this line that made me think of Cowell:
How much is your praise really worth?
About the same as your thumbs down
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Agree. Simon Cowell springs to mind as well...
Doesn't Simon Cowell appear in Early Bird?
Yes, he does. But maybe MK dislikes him so much that he appears in two songs 🤣
It's this line that made me think of Cowell:
How much is your praise really worth?
About the same as your thumbs down
But I have a question again:) Where do these words come from?
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Heavy up lyrics:
https://songmeanings.com/songs/view/3530822107859590166/ (https://songmeanings.com/songs/view/3530822107859590166/)
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Heavy up lyrics:
https://songmeanings.com/songs/view/3530822107859590166/ (https://songmeanings.com/songs/view/3530822107859590166/)
Sorry, I was thinking about "This One's Not Going To End Well" :)
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Agree. Simon Cowell springs to mind as well...
Doesn't Simon Cowell appear in Early Bird?
Yes, he does. But maybe MK dislikes him so much that he appears in two songs 🤣
It's this line that made me think of Cowell:
How much is your praise really worth?
About the same as your thumbs down
Correct.
As for the world I live in, I can't cope with the world changing to worse, and I'm white and a bit of "old" in all the social and political correctness you could think of.
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To me this one is among the three or four best songs on the album. Such a nice melody. Goosebumps all over when he sings "...for anyone".
There are much more lovely tunes and melodies on this album. One Deep River a clear 5/5 for me.
Astonishing after the 1/5 DTRW.
LE
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To me this one is among the three or four best songs on the album. Such a nice melody. Goosebumps all over when he sings "...for anyone".
There are much more lovely tunes and melodies on this album. One Deep River a clear 5/5 for me.
Astonishing after the 1/5 DTRW.
LE
5/5 sounds good to me! I would have given DTRW 2/5
I have just heard this morning that my album is on its way to the store, so I'm getting very excited now! Roll on Friday! ;D
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Beautiful tune indeed. This song alone has more musical ideas than all the DTRW songs combined.
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I like it. So sad, il recalls me Raglan Road
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This one is such a beautiful song, also soundwise, lovely acoustic fingerpicking with the folkies :clap
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I can easily imagine Leonard Cohen singing this one. It has that Cohen vibe, maybe it's the chord progression.
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I love this song more with every listening. Yes, I do miss the virtuoso guitar of old, too (who wouldn't, I'm sure Mark does himself), but this song is proof that he's perfectly capable of producing great songs without any twiddly parts.
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I love this song more with every listening. Yes, I do miss the virtuoso guitar of old, too (who wouldn't, I'm sure Mark does himself), but this song is proof that he's perfectly capable of producing great songs without any twiddly parts.
That's true! We often want more guitar, guitar solo, because this is MK's trademark. And Mark sees it differently. He is reserved and economical.
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I really love Mark's songwriting and there are (several) times I take his lyrics quite literally, but for this one, the way I see it is more how he uses images to the past to talk about present issues. Like as saying humans will never change no matter when in time.
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In my view, in the song ‘This One is Not Going to End Well’, Knopfler shares his concern about the current major threat to world peace that is represented by Vladimir Putin.
Knopfler was born few years after the end of World War 2 and all his family was very much affected by that conflict. Throughout his career, he has written several songs about the madness of wars, including the eternal ‘Brothers in Arms’.
Knopfler is open about the irreversible course of international crisis and admits to himself and his audience that ‘this one is not going to end well for ANYONE’.
Knopfler feels completely helpless about the future ahead. He doesn’t lie saying ‘things will be alright in the end’ as a blind optimist could say. Instead he is honest about it. He portrays a brighter future AFTER World War 3 where ‘traders will trade / Fliers will fly, seafarers will ride on the swell / Shading their eyes in the glare of the sun. [..] The gypsy will smile / And the poets will dream..’
Knopfler is objectivewhen he concludes the song describing how the course of history will repeat itself once again after Putin is gone: ‘after he's gone, they'll whip up old lies / To ride into power, and history comes back from hell / (to) Give a tyrant his way with the club and the gun.
Overall, the lyrics paint a bleak picture of the current state of affairs and political conflict, while also acknowledging the resilience of the human spirit and the persistence of hope in the face of adversity.
Below is a brief commentary about some of the key lines of the song. The key word to me is ‘Anyone’
1. **"This one's not going to end well":** This sets the tone for the entire song, conveying a sense of foreboding and inevitability regarding the current situation, likely referring to the geopolitical tensions and the actions of Vladimir Putin.
2. **"But after he's gone, the traders will trade":** Here, Knopfler suggests that even after Putin is gone, life will go on, and economic activities like trade will resume.
3. **"Fliers will fly, seafarers will ride on the swell / Shading their eyes in the glare of the sun":** This imagery paints a picture of normalcy returning after the turmoil, with people going about their everyday activities under the sun.
4. **"Though this one's not going to end well / For anyone":** Despite the resumption of normal activities, Knopfler emphasizes that the situation will still have dire consequences for everyone involved.
5. **"But after he's gone, the gypsy will smile / And the poets will dream":** Knopfler suggests that even in the aftermath of conflict, there will still be moments of joy and creativity, symbolized by the gypsy's smile and the poets' dreams.
6. **"And their fortunes in crystal she'll tell / As she looks in the glass where the stories are spun":** This line adds to the mystical imagery, implying that even in turbulent times, people will seek guidance and meaning through storytelling and fortune-telling.
7. **"Chained to the oars below / Or bound to the wheel / Drums beating hard and slow / Under the heel":** These lines evoke a sense of oppression and suffering, perhaps reflecting the plight of those caught in the midst of conflict and tyranny.
8. **"Still after he's gone, they'll whip up old lies / To ride into power, and history comes back from hell":** Knopfler warns that even after the current leader is gone, the cycle of manipulation and power-seeking will continue, with history repeating itself.
9. **"This one's not going to end well / For anyone":** The repetition of this line reinforces the overarching theme of the song, driving home the idea that the current situation spells disaster for all involved.
This One’s Not Going To End Well 4:00
This one's not going to end well
But after he's gone, the traders will trade
Fliers will fly, seafarers will ride on the swell
Shading their eyes in the glare of the sun
Though this one's not going to end well
For anyone
This one's not going to end well
But after he's gone, the gypsy will smile
And the poets will dream
And their fortunes in crystal she'll tell
As she looks in the glass where the stories are spun
Though this one's not going to end well
For anyone
Chained to the oars below
Or bound to the wheel
Drums beating hard and slow
Under the heel
This one's not going to end well
Still after he's gone, they'll whip up old lies
To ride into power, and history comes back from hell
Give a tyrant his way with the club and the gun
This one's not going to end well
For anyone
This one's not going to end well
For anyone
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Seems like a good interpretation to me :)
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In the "Classic Rock" interview, the interviewer quotes the following line from the song:
"They whip up old lies to ride into power, and history comes back from hell".
When the interviewer asks MK if this is connected to the rise of right-wing parties in Europe and Trump, he agrees that that was on his mind when he wrote it.
After that, they have a long discussion about political extremism, fake news, people complaining and going on strike about whatever they don't like, whether it's social inequality or migration, people who can't cope with the world changing around them.
As far as I understand it, Mark doesn't actually make any political statement in the interview. He says it's far too complex, but people would like to have simple solutions.
So, TONGTEW seems to be a highly political song.
Somehow, when I was reading all that, I was reminded of Dylan's "Man of Peace" from the Infidels album: "Could be the fuhrer, could be the local priest, sometimes satan comes as a man of peace". I'm really curious now!
Is it possible to read this interview in its entirety?
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This is definitely not going to end well.
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This is definitely not going to end well.
A great pity :(
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In the "Classic Rock" interview, the interviewer quotes the following line from the song:
"They whip up old lies to ride into power, and history comes back from hell".
When the interviewer asks MK if this is connected to the rise of right-wing parties in Europe and Trump, he agrees that that was on his mind when he wrote it.
After that, they have a long discussion about political extremism, fake news, people complaining and going on strike about whatever they don't like, whether it's social inequality or migration, people who can't cope with the world changing around them.
As far as I understand it, Mark doesn't actually make any political statement in the interview. He says it's far too complex, but people would like to have simple solutions.
So, TONGTEW seems to be a highly political song.
Somehow, when I was reading all that, I was reminded of Dylan's "Man of Peace" from the Infidels album: "Could be the fuhrer, could be the local priest, sometimes satan comes as a man of peace". I'm really curious now!
Is it possible to read this interview in its entirety?
I only have the German version (which I'd tried to summarise). All the interviews published in the British press seem a bit different, and he doesn't go into detail about politics.