Post by: Jules on January 23, 2018, 11:07:08 AM
Time to vote for what you think it might happens, and then compare to what really happens :)
Post by: quizzaciously on January 23, 2018, 09:03:23 PM
Post by: Justme on January 23, 2018, 09:13:14 PM
Post by: Jules on January 23, 2018, 09:16:05 PM
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Post by: kaleo74 on January 24, 2018, 03:37:47 AM
I have a good feeling regarding this coming album, the release in the "warmth" of the spring/Summer, the Gibson signature thing, the RRHF, almost 9 months of pregnancy should give birth to a beautiful and big baby :)
Post by: rmarques821 on January 24, 2018, 05:03:46 AM
I bet that the joke "Ok Rich, you and me, I'll go first than you join... Everybody else ... good luck" will be part of the next tour jokes.Don't forget the "if you give us a standing ovation we'll give you an encore, if you don't give us any ovation we'll give you two encores..."
I have a good feeling regarding this coming album, the release in the "warmth" of the spring/Summer, the Gibson signature thing, the RRHF, almost 9 months of pregnancy should give birth to a beautiful and big baby :)
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Post by: cannibals on January 24, 2018, 08:20:23 AM
Post by: Jules on January 24, 2018, 09:00:38 AM
Post by: Robson on January 24, 2018, 12:50:53 PM
Post by: dmg on January 24, 2018, 02:06:50 PM
I bet that the joke "Ok Rich, you and me, I'll go first than you join... Everybody else ... good luck" will be part of the next tour jokes.Don't forget the "if you give us a standing ovation we'll give you an encore, if you don't give us any ovation we'll give you two encores..."
I have a good feeling regarding this coming album, the release in the "warmth" of the spring/Summer, the Gibson signature thing, the RRHF, almost 9 months of pregnancy should give birth to a beautiful and big baby :)
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Am I missing something or is that encore thing not even remotely funny. I just don't get it.
As for the poll - you mentioned the North American leg, the European Leg but forgot about the German Leg!
Post by: quizzaciously on January 24, 2018, 02:17:51 PM
Am I missing something or is that encore thing not even remotely funny. I just don't get it.
To me the "good luck" reference is not funny and never was, let alone "you and me, Richard" joke.
The funniest MK's joke is when he says "are you ready girls" to a bunch of professional musicians he's paying to :lol :lol :lol
Encore thing is another way of saying "oh, please, don't cheer me too much". So if they do, MK gets angry and play less. Get it? I can't either :lol
Post by: DS on January 24, 2018, 03:23:58 PM
Encore thing is another way of saying "oh, please, don't cheer me too much". So if they do, MK gets angry and play less. Get it? I can't either :lolThis has gone too far, last concert I was almost feeling bad for clapping :lol
(nice work with your videos, btw)
Post by: Don70 on January 24, 2018, 09:27:47 PM
Post by: Jules on January 24, 2018, 09:44:18 PM
Really?! You guys complain about the set lists, his guitar playing, the folkies and now the jokes.Unbelievable.
We are haters, and, you know. Haters are gonna hate, hate, hate, hate...
Post by: DS on January 24, 2018, 09:45:18 PM
Really?! You guys complain about the set lists, his guitar playing, the folkies and now the jokes.Unbelievable.he hates us, we hate him :lol
Post by: border_reiver on January 24, 2018, 09:57:12 PM
Really?! You guys complain about the set lists, his guitar playing, the folkies and now the jokes.Unbelievable.
Hi Mark! :wave
Post by: PensaGhost on January 24, 2018, 10:05:33 PM
most stupid and ridiculous decision in the whole history of music :D :D :D
Post by: Darling Pretty on January 24, 2018, 10:13:52 PM
I bet that the joke "Ok Rich, you and me, I'll go first than you join... Everybody else ... good luck" will be part of the next tour jokes.Don't forget the "if you give us a standing ovation we'll give you an encore, if you don't give us any ovation we'll give you two encores..."
I have a good feeling regarding this coming album, the release in the "warmth" of the spring/Summer, the Gibson signature thing, the RRHF, almost 9 months of pregnancy should give birth to a beautiful and big baby :)
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Am I missing something or is that encore thing not even remotely funny. I just don't get it.
As for the poll - you mentioned the North American leg, the European Leg but forgot about the German Leg!
hahahaha LOL. That was a good one.
Yeah there is always a german Leg with 15 Gigs
Post by: Robson on January 24, 2018, 10:14:44 PM
Post by: Don70 on January 25, 2018, 01:10:53 AM
Post by: PensaGhost on January 25, 2018, 01:18:43 AM
You guys certainly are a bunch of haters. Sad, really. I love how some people can't wait for the album and tour so they can skewer it.
if you eat too much chocolate, love might become hate
Post by: MK-47 on January 25, 2018, 01:19:47 AM
Am I missing something or is that encore thing not even remotely funny. I just don't get it.
To me the "good luck" reference is not funny and never was, let alone "you and me, Richard" joke.
The funniest MK's joke is when he says "are you ready girls" to a bunch of professional musicians he's paying to :lol :lol :lol
Encore thing is another way of saying "oh, please, don't cheer me too much". So if they do, MK gets angry and play less. Get it? I can't either :lol
The joke is that if you don't cheer, you will get "punished" with not one but two encores.
Post by: Don70 on January 25, 2018, 02:02:23 AM
Post by: rmarques821 on January 25, 2018, 02:25:19 AM
I was looking for a fansite where people are actually fans of Mark Knopfler. Unfortunately this place is made up of ex-Dire Straits fans who seem to denegrate anything the man does nowadays. Too bad.
Oh...You don't know this fansite at all. We're all just joking here, get a grip...But if it bothers you so much, I think you can leave.
Post by: Don70 on January 25, 2018, 02:50:26 AM
Post by: Jules on January 25, 2018, 08:02:53 AM
Post by: quizzaciously on January 25, 2018, 08:23:45 AM
I was looking for a fansite where people are actually fans of Mark Knopfler. Unfortunately this place is made up of ex-Dire Straits fans who seem to denegrate anything the man does nowadays. Too bad.
Wow. Slow down around the corners man. A healthy dose of different views is never a bad thing. And it’s actually a sign of a living community. AMIT is one of the “liviest” forums I’ve ever seen. Who use forums nowadays, anyway? We use, we're old school. And it’s really cool that you can grasp two opposite views and come up with your own.
I’ve seen forums where people would cry their fingers out of love for their idol, and this is really sad, like North Korea appreciation society.
Mark said he reads left and right newspapers to get the real political picture, so if he would read this forum he would get the real picture of his fan base.
— The infamous setlist problem really bother people (because of the amount of genius songs he can play instead of Done With Bonaparte already)
— Everybody’s looking forward to his new release whatever it might be and Tours always get anticipated a lot despite all the controversy, old songs and jokes
Many of us “know” MK for so long he’s like a “sibling” to us. I’ve never met him, but it doesn’t stop me from dashing and bashing his work like friends do, because for an unbiased end user all that matters is the end result and we want the best from this man here, who’ve made us accustomed to the best in the first place.
Post by: superval99 on January 25, 2018, 10:51:04 AM
It should be an eye-opener to those of you who never seem to find anything positive to say: You are scaring away new readers! I am one of those who doesn't reply a lot, because it seems that the rule is "the worse, the better". I do get your point Quissaciously that you (all) see him as a kind of friend who you (all) can makes jokes on behalf of, but it often goes too far.
I agree with you, Elin. I, too, feel that all the negativity posted on this forum could deter new members from joining, even though they say they are only joking! I don't expect everyone to be fanboys and girls, btw, just a bit more balance and positivity would be nice.
Post by: quizzaciously on January 25, 2018, 10:53:34 AM
It should be an eye-opener to those of you who never seem to find anything positive to say: You are scaring away new readers! I am one of those who doesn't reply a lot, because it seems that the rule is "the worse, the better". I do get your point Quissaciously that you (all) see him as a kind of friend who you (all) can makes jokes on behalf of, but it often goes too far.
I agree with you, Elin. I, too, feel that all the negativity posted on this forum could deter new members from joining, even though they say they are only joking! I don't expect everyone to be fanboys and girls, btw, just a bit more balance and positivity would be nice.
But I can't see the "too-farness" of it... Nobody's insulting anybody, just a polite discussion stimulating opposite views (like yours!). Some people can be more "negative" of course, but usually there's no smoke without fire. Me personally, I'm a sceptic all my life and I treat almost everything I see or hear with a different amount of doubt, including live shows, lyrics, tribute bands, albums, songs, news, politics, sports, weather, food, people, guitars, buildings, cars, ect. Anything :lol
Post by: Jules on January 25, 2018, 11:01:00 AM
It should be an eye-opener to those of you who never seem to find anything positive to say: You are scaring away new readers! I am one of those who doesn't reply a lot, because it seems that the rule is "the worse, the better". I do get your point Quissaciously that you (all) see him as a kind of friend who you (all) can makes jokes on behalf of, but it often goes too far.
This is a fans forum. In a fan forum you would find positive and negative opinions. If new readers are not comfortable with the negative opinions, then a fan forum is not a place for them.
Simply as that.
Post by: DS on January 25, 2018, 11:14:56 AM
I, too, feel that all the negativity posted on this forum could deter new members from joining, even though they say they are only joking!Speaking for myself, a few days ago I joined this forum just because the jokes. I don't think I would have joined if it was a forum full of blind fanboys.
I like when people can joke on what they care about... Nothing will scratch my love for his music anyway
Post by: Jules on January 25, 2018, 11:18:20 AM
I, too, feel that all the negativity posted on this forum could deter new members from joining, even though they say they are only joking!Speaking for myself, a few days ago I joined this forum just because the jokes. I don't think I would have joined if it was a forum full of blind fanboys.
I like when people can joke on what they care about... Nothing will scratch my love for his music anyway
Not only positive opinions reflect our love by MK and DS, also the negative reflects that we care about MK/DS.
Post by: quizzaciously on January 25, 2018, 11:23:41 AM
Not only positive opinions reflect our love by MK and DS, also the negative reflects that we care about MK/DS.
Just like a family :lol
A good point DS. Mark isn't your typical major star, who have a dedicated team to please every single of his fans. He's more like an independent artist and he's aimed to please himself first, so inevitably many people can't get what they want from MK the artist. I think at least he's aware of this setlist thing going as this topic is technically even banned on Guy's forum. So maybe we'll get somewhere eventually with the other topics as well.
Post by: Jules on January 25, 2018, 11:25:18 AM
Wow jbaent, I have obviously misunderstood the whole concept of being a fan
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I know the difference between a fanatic and a fan.
There is a joke about fanatics that says even MK farts smell like roses because we are fanatics and nothing from MK can't be bad or wrong ;D :lol
Post by: superval99 on January 25, 2018, 11:29:12 AM
Wow jbaent, I have obviously misunderstood the whole concept of being a fan
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I know the difference between a fanatic and a fan.
There is a joke about fanatics that says even MK farts smell like roses because we are fanatics and nothing from MK can't be bad or wrong ;D :lol
Lol! Which category do you think I belong to, jbaent? Careful now! ;D
Post by: Jules on January 25, 2018, 11:32:22 AM
Wow jbaent, I have obviously misunderstood the whole concept of being a fan
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I know the difference between a fanatic and a fan.
There is a joke about fanatics that says even MK farts smell like roses because we are fanatics and nothing from MK can't be bad or wrong ;D :lol
Lol! Which category do you think I belong to, jbaent! ;D
You are a lady, our lady :lol :lol :lol
We are mostly fans. Almost everybody that writes often have positive or negative opinions about this or that, would wish things could be different or accept how they are anyway.
Post by: superval99 on January 25, 2018, 11:34:26 AM
Wow jbaent, I have obviously misunderstood the whole concept of being a fan
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I know the difference between a fanatic and a fan.
There is a joke about fanatics that says even MK farts smell like roses because we are fanatics and nothing from MK can't be bad or wrong ;D :lol
Lol! Which category do you think I belong to, jbaent! ;D
You are a lady, our lady :lol :lol :lol
We are mostly fans. Almost everybody that writes often have positive or negative opinions about this or that, would wish things could be different or accept how they are anyway.
Very diplomatic, jbaent. I don't mind one bit that you called me a lady either! :lol
Post by: binone on January 25, 2018, 11:56:48 AM
We accept the good and the bad from an artist who really matters to us. And we can critisize if something goes wrong, and, of course, praise him if we feel touched.
The only problem here is that he doesn´t care about that, and only cares for us giving what he thinks is the best and a bunch of first rows places for us in his tours.
But we are still friends and lovers by accepting this role.
Valentine's Day´s comming!!!! ;D
Post by: Robson on January 25, 2018, 12:15:57 PM
Post by: Jules on January 25, 2018, 12:17:18 PM
Thanks lot..so, am I a lady too or just an fanatic? I have met Mark more than once and will never claim he is some kind of God. I ask for the same as you SuperVal ; balance.
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Balance...
Balance has positive at one side and negative at the other side. The amount of positive and negative doesn't depend on us but on what MK does or doesn't realted to what we would like ;D
Post by: Jules on January 25, 2018, 12:18:23 PM
Wow jbaent, I have obviously misunderstood the whole concept of being a fan
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I know the difference between a fanatic and a fan.
There is a joke about fanatics that says even MK farts smell like roses because we are fanatics and nothing from MK can't be bad or wrong ;D :lol
Lol! Which category do you think I belong to, jbaent! ;D
You are a lady, our lady :lol :lol :lol
We are mostly fans. Almost everybody that writes often have positive or negative opinions about this or that, would wish things could be different or accept how they are anyway.
Very diplomatic, jbaent. I don't mind one bit that you called me a lady either! :lol
In my mind Lady only have positive meaning, like if someone called me gentleman (that wouldn't happen anyway, LOL)
Post by: rmarques821 on January 25, 2018, 12:21:46 PM
This.It should be an eye-opener to those of you who never seem to find anything positive to say: You are scaring away new readers! I am one of those who doesn't reply a lot, because it seems that the rule is "the worse, the better". I do get your point Quissaciously that you (all) see him as a kind of friend who you (all) can makes jokes on behalf of, but it often goes too far.
This is a fans forum. In a fan forum you would find positive and negative opinions. If new readers are not comfortable with the negative opinions, then a fan forum is not a place for them.
Simply as that.
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Post by: Jules on January 25, 2018, 12:43:50 PM
In the positive side, a new tour is a chance to see again my favourite musical and meet many of you again.
In the negative side, moaning about the same setlists etc etc
Both are because we like MK and we care about what he does ;D
Post by: Love Expresso on January 25, 2018, 03:21:16 PM
LE
Post by: Eddie Fox on January 25, 2018, 03:22:51 PM
If a fan just wants flowers and chocolates they'd better move to an island :lol
Post by: Eddie Fox on January 25, 2018, 03:24:44 PM
For criticless MK worshipping this was never they right place. MKNews was. People who newly come here have to decide if they like it or not. People who are already discussing here (male or female) should NOT have to do it under the premise that they have to keep this a bubbleworld PC comform place just because of any potential new members that will register maybe or not.
LE
We wouldn't have better timing even if we tried to ;D
Post by: Love Expresso on January 25, 2018, 03:52:21 PM
But the last tour was just bad and boring. I visited three shows and remember nothing from the music itself. The way the shows (especially London and RAH) were promoted was a big anti fan desaster. Beryl promo gigs on TV made me cringe and hope no one of my friends had seen it. The quality of the downloads was just extremely bad if you keep in mind that BG sound-detail talk stuff all day..
Tracker was some sort of sedative, objectively seen. Not one single outstanding composition, nothing new, only recycling and rearranging the usual ingredients. The setlist got worse from tour to tour, last exciting one in 2011. These are some of the reasons MK gets my full frontal criticism since a couple of years. That TE track was playing three times on YouTube for me, I did not even bother to pester friends and family with the usual "You have to listen to this MK has something new" as it is absolutely nothing worth mentioning.
Nostalgic reasons I never had.. I prefered always his solo efforts about the old times.
But I think he WANTS to let it roll out this way. Just to have a daily routine as someone must have something to do in the end. No artistic goals anymore. Filling time with utilizing the big toy that BG is...
At the moment I would not care about tour dates as I am pretty sure that I will not go. And I HAVE high expectations for the next release knowing that they will be disappointed.
It's what it is. We are in the last stage of his career, and I am in the last stage of my fandom it seems.
LE
Post by: Eddie Fox on January 25, 2018, 04:23:08 PM
How is it that as soon as I or someone else ask for less negativety, we suddenly are worshippers? Please, we are not. (I really liked that last reply Jbaent, and I hope we are good)
Now, let's move on ☺
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Elin, this is a democracy. You can ask for less negativity but nobody has to give you that, at least not just because you want it. And to be honest I don't think negativity is the right word here anyway. I don't think you're a worshipper either, maybe just a sensitive fan who takes criticism on Mark extremely personally, I don't know.
In any case, if someone drops by and leaves because people have different opinions this person is not ready for the internet.
Post by: Eddie Fox on January 25, 2018, 04:28:58 PM
Post by: Eddie Fox on January 25, 2018, 04:33:53 PM
Thanks for the laugh Ed. You go ahead, I have realized long ago that you and most others here will never accept me, even if you know nothing about me. Noone who knows of would call me "sensitive". Nor positive for that sakes. You go on being king on the castle.
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Elin, you're taking it personally again. I don't even remember having had any kind of disagreement with you prior to this. And of course I accept you, you've never been rude to me, why wouldn't I? Certainly not for having different opinions. I'm no king and this is not a castle. Song is king, you know that:)
Post by: Jules on January 25, 2018, 05:05:34 PM
Just a last thought on this matter. I agree with jbaent on pretty much everything since I first joined this forum but every time he talks about Legacy I feel like strangling him (metaphorically speaking, of course) :lol
Now I understand that strange feeling around my neck...
LOL
Post by: Jules on January 25, 2018, 05:06:32 PM
How is it that as soon as I or someone else ask for less negativety, we suddenly are worshippers? Please, we are not. (I really liked that last reply Jbaent, and I hope we are good
Now, let's move on ☺
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Of course we are good. We are just MK fans talking about what we like the most in this world ;)
Post by: Don70 on January 25, 2018, 11:59:54 PM
If you didn't like the last album and tour why do you feel the need to come to a "fansite" and constantly belittle it. I can't wait for the next album --- when it inevitably doesn't sound like Making Movies 2, the knives will be out. Don't worry, I'm only joking.
Post by: Eddie Fox on January 26, 2018, 01:29:26 AM
Post by: rmarques821 on January 26, 2018, 01:39:29 AM
Really? I thinking you're making fun of and complaining about what you used to like most in the world. And almost harassing Guy Fletcher for info about the new record. Funny how commenting on the level of negativity turns into "hero worship" and "flowers and chocolates".
If you didn't like the last album and tour why do you feel the need to come to a "fansite" and constantly belittle it. I can't wait for the next album --- when it inevitably doesn't sound like Making Movies 2, the knives will be out. Don't worry, I'm only joking.
I'm not Ed's lawyer or anything, but he really hasn't harrassed Guy Fletcher for new info. Everytime I see his posts on his forum it's about other stuff, and more recently about MK totally ignoring South America for almost twenty years. We are not here to "constantly belittle Mark's work", if you read this forum extensively you'll realize that's not true...but even if it was, what's the matter with that? Is he like a God who never makes mistakes and never does anything that's not as good as a previous work?
I think you are you way too stressed and need to calm down a bit.
(By the way Ed, as a fellow portuguese speaker, thanks a lot for making an effort and trying to bring MK to Brazil! Although I'm not brazilian, I've got relatives there, and I would probably go there if MK performed there)
Post by: Don70 on January 26, 2018, 03:29:47 AM
Post by: Love Expresso on January 26, 2018, 06:43:01 AM
LE
Post by: superval99 on January 26, 2018, 08:40:16 AM
Troll Alarm, folks! But, I'm just joking.
LE
So now anyone who disagrees with you is a troll? :disbelief
Post by: Love Expresso on January 26, 2018, 10:39:30 AM
But coming up as a newbie two days ago and doing nothing but critizIng and generalizing (this place... you guys are...) and end every post with this joking nonsense reminds me of the Trolls we already had .
LE
Edited and added
Post by: Jules on January 26, 2018, 10:50:22 AM
You just have to accept that we are all fans. You are in your right to tell that everything that MK does is gold, and the rest are also entitled to say that sometimes he does gold, sometimes silver, and lately, too often, bronze...
Freedom of speech and opinion is key here. That's why AMIT was born. Bad opinions about what MK does are not well taken by some, but as long as they exists and who express that opinion talks about why and give his reasons, you have to respect it.
If can't stand any opinion about MK that doesn't match with you, I'm sorry you leave us, but if you cannot take a negative opinion, a forum fan is not your place at all.
Post by: Robson on January 26, 2018, 10:57:20 AM
It's just your opinion. I think otherwise :)
Post by: Love Expresso on January 26, 2018, 10:59:02 AM
LE
Post by: superval99 on January 26, 2018, 11:01:01 AM
and lately, too often, bronze...
Tracker Tour - Bronze
Tracker Album - Gold
Post by: Robson on January 26, 2018, 11:05:19 AM
Why? I do not understand. He can express his opinion and criticize criticism that will convince others. It's possible
Post by: Robson on January 26, 2018, 11:06:00 AM
Tracker Album - Gold
Post by: Jules on January 26, 2018, 11:12:10 AM
"If can't stand any opinion about MK that doesn't match with you, I'm sorry you leave us, but if you cannot take a negative opinion, a forum fan is not your place at all"
Why? I do not understand. He can express his opinion and criticize criticism that will convince others. It's possible
Because it looks like his problem is he can stand negative opinions and apparently try to tell us to don't express negative opinions, or that express them is not acceptable from a fan...
Nobody will stop being free giving his opinions so this place is going to be just suffering for him.
Post by: Jules on January 26, 2018, 11:13:04 AM
and lately, too often, bronze...
It's just your opinion. I think otherwise :)
It's me who was talking. I thought that was clear.
Post by: Robson on January 26, 2018, 11:16:12 AM
Post by: Robson on January 26, 2018, 11:17:47 AM
Post by: Eddie Fox on January 26, 2018, 11:37:39 AM
Really? I thinking you're making fun of and complaining about what you used to like most in the world. And almost harassing Guy Fletcher for info about the new record. Funny how commenting on the level of negativity turns into "hero worship" and "flowers and chocolates".
If you didn't like the last album and tour why do you feel the need to come to a "fansite" and constantly belittle it. I can't wait for the next album --- when it inevitably doesn't sound like Making Movies 2, the knives will be out. Don't worry, I'm only joking.
I'm not Ed's lawyer or anything, but he really hasn't harrassed Guy Fletcher for new info. Everytime I see his posts on his forum it's about other stuff, and more recently about MK totally ignoring South America for almost twenty years. We are not here to "constantly belittle Mark's work", if you read this forum extensively you'll realize that's not true...but even if it was, what's the matter with that? Is he like a God who never makes mistakes and never does anything that's not as good as a previous work?
I think you are you way too stressed and need to calm down a bit.
(By the way Ed, as a fellow portuguese speaker, thanks a lot for making an effort and trying to bring MK to Brazil! Although I'm not brazilian, I've got relatives there, and I would probably go there if MK performed there)
Thanks for the support, amigo patrício:) fingers crossed. And if he does come let's grab a beer before the show.
Regarding criticism, who is the object of this forum? As far as I'm concerned we are all here to talk about Mark Knopfler, aren't we? And I'm pretty sure it's not a church as rmarques pointed out. So, if I criticize Mark for something I happen not to like it shouldn't be a problem I suppose. Now if I criticize Mark, you (generally speaking, please) criticize me for criticizing Mark, someone else criticizes you for criticizing me for having criticized Mark... Jesus Christ, that's exhausting.
Can I smell a political correctness outbreak here? The world is becoming boring, folks. Let's be objective, shall we. Is it forbbiden to say anything 'negative' about Mark on this forum? Because if it is I'll stop. But in case it's not forbbiden everyone's granted the ability to exercise the right of free speech, including those who respectfully disagree with some aspects of Mark's career.
I'll keep expressing my opinions up to the day I'm told by one of the administrators it's against the rules.
Post by: Eddie Fox on January 26, 2018, 11:44:12 AM
and lately, too often, bronze...
Tracker Tour - Bronze
Tracker Album - Gold
I'm not the most qualified person to talk about Mark's tours since all I've seen over the last 13 years (saw him in New Zealand back in 2005) was youtube content but... I tend to agree with you. I absolutely love Tracker but the performances I saw on video were not impressive.
Post by: Robson on January 26, 2018, 11:52:25 AM
Post by: Eddie Fox on January 26, 2018, 11:55:30 AM
The video does not have a full picture. I assure you were impressive!
Mark has blown me away on video hundreds and hundreds of times, mate. I know my standards :lol
Post by: Robson on January 26, 2018, 11:58:42 AM
Post by: Eddie Fox on January 26, 2018, 12:00:27 PM
Post by: Robson on January 26, 2018, 12:07:25 PM
Post by: dmg on January 26, 2018, 12:24:46 PM
The video does not have a full picture. I assure you were impressive!
Mark has blown me away on video hundreds and hundreds of times, mate. I know my standards :lol
It's the same performance so a mistake is still a mistake, a great moment is still a great moment. The sound will be much better at the concert but essentially you hear the same thing. Many times I have watched videos of concerts I've attended and thought that it wasn't as good as I had thought. You just make allowances for the sound quality. Perhaps we also get caught up in the atmosphere and don't analyse the performance so much at the show as we do from our armchairs?
Post by: Robson on January 26, 2018, 12:30:56 PM
Post by: Eddie Fox on January 26, 2018, 12:48:12 PM
Who prohibits? I can express my opinions ?
Of course you can. And I accept yours. Please accept mine.
Post by: Robson on January 26, 2018, 12:50:30 PM
Post by: dmg on January 26, 2018, 12:55:37 PM
Perhaps. Mistakes at concerts are natural :)
Sure, and are what make each concert unique.
Post by: Stanko on January 26, 2018, 12:55:53 PM
and lately, too often, bronze...
Tracker Tour - Bronze
Tracker Album - Gold
cool, good one, my edit would be:
Tracker Album - Gold
Tracker Tour - love over gold!
Post by: Robson on January 26, 2018, 12:57:07 PM
Exactly
Post by: dmg on January 26, 2018, 12:57:34 PM
and lately, too often, bronze...
Tracker Tour - Bronze
Tracker Album - Gold
cool, good one, my edit would be:
Tracker Album - Gold
Tracker Tour - love over gold!
Since tours are where the artist make their money I'm not sure I'd agree! ;)
Post by: Eddie Fox on January 26, 2018, 12:59:02 PM
The video does not have a full picture. I assure you were impressive!
Mark has blown me away on video hundreds and hundreds of times, mate. I know my standards :lol
It's the same performance so a mistake is still a mistake, a great moment is still a great moment. The sound will be much better at the concert but essentially you hear the same thing. Many times I have watched videos of concerts I've attended and thought that it wasn't as good as I had thought. You just make allowances for the sound quality. Perhaps we also get caught up in the atmosphere and don't analyse the performance so much at the show as we do from our armchairs?
Pretty good point, so true. Mark used to be one the most precise musicians out there, he'd go weeks and weeks without making any noticeable mistakes. He became a little erratic lately though. Considering that his soloing keeps getting less and less complex and slower I tend to believe it's age related. When you are there in the audience you get carried away by the atmosphere but at home with your earphones on it's pretty different.
Post by: Robson on January 26, 2018, 01:08:19 PM
I was at all MK concerts in my country and a few abroad, and I never thought about it this way :(
Post by: Stanko on January 26, 2018, 01:14:43 PM
not that we should agree on every wee of bit either!and lately, too often, bronze...
Tracker Tour - Bronze
Tracker Album - Gold
cool, good one, my edit would be:
Tracker Album - Gold
Tracker Tour - love over gold!
Since tours are where the artist make their money I'm not sure I'd agree! ;)
Post by: dmg on January 26, 2018, 01:17:56 PM
"Since tours are where the artist make their money I'm not sure I'd agree!
I was at all MK concerts in my country and a few abroad, and I never thought about it this way :(
It was a joke hence the ;)
Post by: Jules on January 26, 2018, 01:21:00 PM
Why?
I start skiping songs and in the end, I stop watching it. When you are in the concert, you are there, so unless you go to the bathroom or to the bar, you see the whole thing.
I was at the London O2 Arena concert, and I liked it a lot. I have the full dvd of that concert and I never ever saw more than the 30% of it, and I will never do... I don't feel the need of watching Paraguay or Marbletown when I can avoid it ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
And the feeling and excitement you have in the concert, having MK in front of you, surrounded by other fans, planning the travel, seeing old friends and new ones before or after the show is not the same than watching him on your tv. You loose a very big amount of that excitement. I remember more about talking with Dusty, LE, Ingrid, Pottel, Dmg etc etc etc before the concerts than the concerts themselfs sometimes.
Post by: superval99 on January 26, 2018, 01:22:17 PM
I enjoyed Newcastle very much, but the recording was too sharp for my taste, otherwise a Gold.
Post by: Robson on January 26, 2018, 01:26:02 PM
:)
Post by: Robson on January 26, 2018, 03:25:51 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZXNSX3V2zs
Post by: dmg on January 26, 2018, 05:40:42 PM
Post by: naif on January 26, 2018, 06:29:42 PM
I am willing to bet that Seville 2015 was the worst show of his career.
Agreed, on of the worst show ever. Sadly one of the most seen too; thanks to the uploader's stupid titles. Mark's policy and perspective to the live blu-rey dvds is too old fashion. Some old souls can't addapt nowadays world, age of tecknology and Mark one of them.
Post by: rmarques821 on January 26, 2018, 06:50:02 PM
I am willing to bet that Seville 2015 was the worst show of his career.I agree with you dmg... It's not like he was in a bad mood or something, but the amount of mistakes (especially during Telegraph Road and Sultans of Swing) is just unusual.
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Post by: PensaGhost on January 26, 2018, 06:58:48 PM
hope they have many more pauses next tour or it will be a mess
Post by: Eddie Fox on January 26, 2018, 07:02:20 PM
Post by: Robson on January 26, 2018, 07:10:46 PM
Post by: dmg on January 26, 2018, 07:12:16 PM
I have great pleasure watching this concert :wave
So do I. It's just listening to it I have problems with! :lol
Post by: Love Expresso on January 26, 2018, 07:51:42 PM
I am willing to bet that Seville 2015 was the worst show of his career.
Tough one! Long career, many many shows. I for my part am happy to have been attending London 2013 first night and Hamburg 1996, sure enough two shows that range among his best ones. Dire Straits in Munich 1991 first night was also legendary soon afterwards and I have fond memories of it. So I guess I better think about what his best shows were instead of his worst ones.
The one that for many years I had in mind as THE best one was Vaison 1996. Boy I would have loved to be there.
LE
Post by: Robson on January 26, 2018, 08:17:18 PM
Post by: Don70 on January 26, 2018, 08:27:39 PM
Post by: Love Expresso on January 26, 2018, 08:41:34 PM
LE
Post by: Robson on January 26, 2018, 08:42:57 PM
Post by: Robson on January 26, 2018, 08:44:47 PM
A question for me?
Post by: Love Expresso on January 26, 2018, 08:49:27 PM
LE
Post by: Lis on January 26, 2018, 09:24:43 PM
Lörrach, 2013
St Julien, 2013
Las Vegas, 2013
Oakland 2, 2013
Paris 1, 2015
Seattle (Woodinville) 2, 2015
Post by: Lis on January 26, 2018, 09:31:27 PM
…This place CAN be very negative and people can be a downer. We’ve had several discussions on this already, so no need to re-hash. I just don't want to continue to lose more people because of the current dynamics here.
I keep coming back because I like so many of you, and I really being part of the AMIT family – so no need to tell me to go away, too. ::)
Post by: Robson on January 26, 2018, 09:36:36 PM
Post by: JF on January 26, 2018, 09:56:41 PM
the best one was 96 with no doubt : just few meters from Mark, setlist with many surprises, Mark happy to play, great mood, by far my favorite souvenir from a concert
Post by: Jules on January 26, 2018, 10:06:32 PM
Post by: Stanko on January 26, 2018, 10:11:12 PM
I rated the Tracker Tour as a bronze, but of the four I attended Manchester merits a Gold for the live performance as well as the recording.I knew it!
I enjoyed Newcastle very much, but the recording was too sharp for my taste, otherwise a Gold.
Post by: Robson on January 26, 2018, 10:13:53 PM
It really does not sound appealing. Not friendships :'(
Post by: Banjo99uk on January 26, 2018, 10:14:19 PM
Post by: Love Expresso on January 26, 2018, 10:35:12 PM
Some amazing shows for me are:
Lörrach, 2013
St Julien, 2013
Las Vegas, 2013
Oakland 2, 2013
Paris 1, 2015
Seattle (Woodinville) 2, 2015
Yes 2013 was a good year it seems.
LE
Post by: Stanko on January 26, 2018, 10:52:37 PM
It seems that only I am delighted :thinkDo i have to tell!??
Of course i'm delighted, so do i believe the most of the fans are, and naturally, the most of those who attended the show... at least i hope so
Post by: Robson on January 26, 2018, 10:56:13 PM
Post by: Stanko on January 26, 2018, 11:03:18 PM
And folks, can you please stop bashing Don70. He has some very valid points, even if he came on strong. Most of you come on pretty strong, too. :ogood point
…This place CAN be very negative and people can be a downer. We’ve had several discussions on this already, so no need to re-hash. I just don't want to continue to lose more people because of the current dynamics here.
I keep coming back because I like so many of you, and I really being part of the AMIT family – so no need to tell me to go away, too. ::)
Post by: Robson on January 26, 2018, 11:10:54 PM
Post by: Eddie Fox on January 26, 2018, 11:56:23 PM
The two concerts I’ve attended were great too, Rio 2001 and Christchurch 2005. Unfortunately I never found any recordings, I’d love to revisit those memories.
Post by: Lis on January 27, 2018, 12:37:39 AM
I think there are another forum free of negativity... What was its name? :hmmjbaent, I am not concerned about that forum. I am concerned with AMIT.
Post by: Jules on January 27, 2018, 07:54:03 AM
I think there are another forum free of negativity... What was its name? :hmmjbaent, I am not concerned about that forum. I am concerned with AMIT.
Amit as far as I know is a free place where you can express your opinion with freedom. Positive or negative.
Isn't it?
Post by: Jules on January 27, 2018, 08:15:30 AM
Exactly. You can not tell anyone to leave. This is not very good
Nobody told nobody to leave.
I only said that if you cannot accept negative opinions in a fan forum, a fan forum might be the wrong place to be.
It's the same that respect different opinions. A negative opinion is just a different opinion.
Post by: superval99 on January 27, 2018, 08:33:26 AM
I think there are another forum free of negativity... What was its name? :hmm
Yes, there is another forum, it's called Silvertown Blues and although it's not as busy as AMIT it is very friendly. :)
Post by: Jules on January 27, 2018, 08:36:01 AM
I think there are another forum free of negativity... What was its name? :hmm
Yes, there is another forum, it's called Silvertown Blues and although it's not as busy as AMIT it is very friendly. :)
And many of their threads come from things we are talking here :)
Yes, it's a friendly place. Like this, even when somebody tell you what you can say and cannot say ;)
Post by: superval99 on January 27, 2018, 08:42:13 AM
I think there are another forum free of negativity... What was its name? :hmm
Yes, there is another forum, it's called Silvertown Blues and although it's not as busy as AMIT it is very friendly. :)
And many of their threads come from things we are talking here :)
Yes, it's a friendly place. Like this, even when somebody tell you what you can say and cannot say ;)
Yes, some of the threads are the same as here, but sometimes different things too. For example, did you know that there is a new album coming out on 23rd February for MK called "Live in Concert, the Classic Broadcasts"? ;)
Like Lis, I'm also concerned about this forum - it used to be a place to enjoy, but sadly it has changed .
Post by: Jules on January 27, 2018, 08:56:51 AM
https://www.spincds.com/diesel-on-my-tail-cd-54858
Post by: superval99 on January 27, 2018, 09:00:30 AM
Yes, it's a bootleg
https://www.spincds.com/diesel-on-my-tail-cd-54858
Thank you, jbaent. :)
Post by: Jules on January 27, 2018, 09:14:27 AM
Post by: superval99 on January 27, 2018, 09:28:47 AM
I don't think it has changed. These things happen from time to time specially when MK make us wait so long ;D
Yes, there have always been heated arguments, etc, but lately I have almost pressed the exit button, due to bad vibes,but then I think of all the good times and the lovely people I have met and I know that I would miss it very much. :) Boredom is the reason, because we have no news, but we musn't let it put off new members from joining.
Post by: Jules on January 27, 2018, 09:31:17 AM
Post by: superval99 on January 27, 2018, 09:32:40 AM
We won't be talking about legacy if there are real news to talk about lol
Thankfully, we won't! ;D
Post by: Love Expresso on January 27, 2018, 11:06:18 AM
So I am concerned about AMIT, too, but from another point of view.
LE
Post by: superval99 on January 27, 2018, 11:25:56 AM
The thing is that I am also concerned about this forum as it has dramatically changed in terms of culture of discussion and confrontation. Everything is drowned with Policital Correctness which is a true plague of our days. I go directly into confrontation more often now as soon as I detect it. And it is not helpful to read only and never post but come up with that PC bat and attacking posters for it. If you are not take part of discussions it is very easy to nitpick about things like opinions and gender and stuff. If you actively discuss here you will see how hard it is. Each to his/her own of course, but when I read stuff like "I normally do not post here often but I am concerned about bashing or style of discussion.." etc. I really think that is not helpful. (Not addressed to superval) Take part and do something to make it better is my advice.
So I am concerned about AMIT, too, but from another point of view.
LE
So "male clique" is OK now is it? :hmm ;)
Post by: DS on January 27, 2018, 11:34:58 AM
Post by: Love Expresso on January 27, 2018, 11:45:48 AM
The thing is that I am also concerned about this forum as it has dramatically changed in terms of culture of discussion and confrontation. Everything is drowned with Policital Correctness which is a true plague of our days. I go directly into confrontation more often now as soon as I detect it. And it is not helpful to read only and never post but come up with that PC bat and attacking posters for it. If you are not take part of discussions it is very easy to nitpick about things like opinions and gender and stuff. If you actively discuss here you will see how hard it is. Each to his/her own of course, but when I read stuff like "I normally do not post here often but I am concerned about bashing or style of discussion.." etc. I really think that is not helpful. (Not addressed to superval) Take part and do something to make it better is my advice.
So I am concerned about AMIT, too, but from another point of view.
LE
So "male clique" is OK now is it? :hmm ;)
I rest my case. It's pointless.
LE
Post by: Jules on January 27, 2018, 12:07:29 PM
Folks, it's not the jokes that might be preventing new people from joining; it's the constant talking about this argument instead of MK stuff
Actually there is not MK stuff to talk about... We already have a 122 pages or more thread wondering about what in heaven is doing MK in his studio since September 2016.
Had you checked that thread or you only do it when you see negative things?
Amit is so big and so full of threads that you can focus on the information instead and, believe me, there is almost nothing you won't find in this forum. We usually handle information that is not even in the official web site!!!!
Post by: Eddie Fox on January 27, 2018, 12:15:18 PM
Folks, it's not the jokes that might be preventing new people from joining; it's the constant talking about this argument instead of MK stuff
You nailed it.
Guys, the world revolves around differences. The problem is not 'negativity', the problem here is political correctness. If potential new members or long lost ones show up and come across all this friendly fire that has absolutely nothing to do with MK they will probably walk away, but if they drop by and see a bunch of reasonable and knowledgeable individuals respectfuly exposing their often diverse arguments and opinions they will actually want to jump in and take part of it. We are not Justin Bieber fans. We are ALL smart, mature and polite people. I'm not here to bootlick Mark Knopfler. I love him but I love my parents better and still criticize them when they do something I disapprove - and they do the same, more often than I do. In the end it just shows that we care about one another. I care about Mark, if I didn't I wouldn't bother writing this.
Can we just accept that everyone around here loves and looks up to Mark? Then can we also accept that people are different and express their love and admiration differently? If you disagree with me either ignore it or bring something to the table instead of criticizing my opinion. I promise you no fan will turn their back to AMIT if two people are politely disagreeing on Mark related stuff, but they will if this PC outbreak continues.
Post by: Jules on January 27, 2018, 12:23:23 PM
You cannot arrive as new to somewhere and say "hey, I don't like what you do", you first have to check that place and if you like it, stay in it and join the conversation, agreeing or disagreeing, but you never can tell anyone to change cause you don't like it...
Post by: superval99 on January 27, 2018, 12:25:00 PM
Folks, it's not the jokes that might be preventing new people from joining; it's the constant talking about this argument instead of MK stuff
You nailed it.
Guys, the world revolves around differences. The problem is not 'negativity', the problem here is political correctness. If potential new members or long lost ones show up and come across all this friendly fire that has absolutely nothing to do with MK they will probably walk away, but if they drop by and see a bunch of reasonable and knowledgeable individuals respectfuly exposing their often diverse arguments and opinions they will actually want to jump in and take part of it. We are not Justin Bieber fans. We are ALL smart, mature and polite people. I'm not here to bootlick Mark Knopfler. I love him but I love my parents better and still criticize them when they do something I disapprove - and they do the same, more often than I do. In the end it just shows that we care about one another. I care about Mark, if I didn't I wouldn't bother writing this.
Can we just accept that everyone around here loves and looks up to Mark? Then can we also accept that people are different and express their love and admiration differently? If you disagree with me either ignore it or bring something to the table instead of criticizing my opinion. I promise you no fan will turn their back to AMIT if two people are politely disagreeing on Mark related stuff, but they will if this PC outbreak continues.
So is mentioning gender not a dirty word anymore, Ed? When we last discussed this, I said I would try to be more PC in future, but you said something like "No, don't do that - being PC is boring" or words to that effect. Now both LE and yourself are saying PC is a plague - so shall I go back to being non-PC? Confused! :hmm :think
Post by: dmg on January 27, 2018, 12:30:00 PM
The thing is that I am also concerned about this forum as it has dramatically changed in terms of culture of discussion and confrontation. Everything is drowned with Policital Correctness which is a true plague of our days. I go directly into confrontation more often now as soon as I detect it. And it is not helpful to read only and never post but come up with that PC bat and attacking posters for it. If you are not take part of discussions it is very easy to nitpick about things like opinions and gender and stuff. If you actively discuss here you will see how hard it is. Each to his/her own of course, but when I read stuff like "I normally do not post here often but I am concerned about bashing or style of discussion.." etc. I really think that is not helpful. (Not addressed to superval) Take part and do something to make it better is my advice.
So I am concerned about AMIT, too, but from another point of view.
LE
Agree 100%.
Negativity is only there if you look for it. Criticism is not the same as negativity. You must already be a negative person if reading criticism gets you down. If all you want to read is positive things about Mark then you should perhaps live in your own little bubble and brainwash yourself because it simply cannot possibly be true. We are all huge fans of Mark on here so it is our way of showing how we care.
If you have been a long term fan then you will have seen the good times and can make comparisons. If you are a more recent fan then perhaps you find this criticism a bit harsh. That is understandable. However you must be understandable too and respect all opinions.
Post by: Jules on January 27, 2018, 12:34:16 PM
This exaggerated PC thing would lead us to something like the, with due respect, the silent cemetery that MKNEWS forum is nowadays...
Is that what you want?
I also like PC but a logical one. I think many times we take what we read in a direction that has nothing to do with reality...
Please don't misunderstand what I'm saying... I'm trying to talk about something quite big in a language that is not my own and it's a big effort, and I'm quite scared that some of you feel attacked when you are not, or at least is not my intention.
Post by: superval99 on January 27, 2018, 12:39:55 PM
Political correctness has to be based on logic not on "trend". Nowadays there are so much fake and exaggerated political correctness that even comedians can do what they did all his life because almost everything they say is against political correctness.
This exaggerated PC thing would lead us to something like the, with due respect, the silent cemetery that MKNEWS forum is nowadays...
Is that what you want?
I also like PC but a logical one. I think many times we take what we read in a direction that has nothing to do with reality...
Please don't misunderstand what I'm saying... I'm trying to talk about something quite big in a language that is not my own and it's a big effort, and I'm quite scared that some of you feel attacked when you are not, or at least is not my intention.
So can I mention gender now, without being ostracized? ???
Post by: Eddie Fox on January 27, 2018, 12:40:07 PM
Folks, it's not the jokes that might be preventing new people from joining; it's the constant talking about this argument instead of MK stuff
You nailed it.
Guys, the world revolves around differences. The problem is not 'negativity', the problem here is political correctness. If potential new members or long lost ones show up and come across all this friendly fire that has absolutely nothing to do with MK they will probably walk away, but if they drop by and see a bunch of reasonable and knowledgeable individuals respectfuly exposing their often diverse arguments and opinions they will actually want to jump in and take part of it. We are not Justin Bieber fans. We are ALL smart, mature and polite people. I'm not here to bootlick Mark Knopfler. I love him but I love my parents better and still criticize them when they do something I disapprove - and they do the same, more often than I do. In the end it just shows that we care about one another. I care about Mark, if I didn't I wouldn't bother writing this.
Can we just accept that everyone around here loves and looks up to Mark? Then can we also accept that people are different and express their love and admiration differently? If you disagree with me either ignore it or bring something to the table instead of criticizing my opinion. I promise you no fan will turn their back to AMIT if two people are politely disagreeing on Mark related stuff, but they will if this PC outbreak continues.
So is mentioning gender not a dirty word anymore, Ed? When we last discussed this, I said I would try to be more PC in future, but you said something like "No, don't do that - being PC is boring" or words to that effect. Now both LE and yourself are saying PC is a plague - so shall I go back to being non-PC? Confused! :hmm :think
Superval, as you said yourself I said PC is boring back then and said it again now. The gender card can be played to backup PC or to deconstruct it, it depends on the context.
I will always be against PC and what I said to you a few months ago actually reinforces it.
Post by: Jules on January 27, 2018, 12:42:55 PM
Political correctness has to be based on logic not on "trend". Nowadays there are so much fake and exaggerated political correctness that even comedians can do what they did all his life because almost everything they say is against political correctness.
This exaggerated PC thing would lead us to something like the, with due respect, the silent cemetery that MKNEWS forum is nowadays...
Is that what you want?
I also like PC but a logical one. I think many times we take what we read in a direction that has nothing to do with reality...
Please don't misunderstand what I'm saying... I'm trying to talk about something quite big in a language that is not my own and it's a big effort, and I'm quite scared that some of you feel attacked when you are not, or at least is not my intention.
So can I mention gender now, without being ostracized? ???
I don't get what you mean with it?
Did anyone mentioned anything related to gender that is really offensive?
Excuse me but I didn't read anything like that. I must have miss it, and I mean it. Please, tell.me.what are you talking about.
Post by: superval99 on January 27, 2018, 12:44:21 PM
Folks, it's not the jokes that might be preventing new people from joining; it's the constant talking about this argument instead of MK stuff
You nailed it.
Guys, the world revolves around differences. The problem is not 'negativity', the problem here is political correctness. If potential new members or long lost ones show up and come across all this friendly fire that has absolutely nothing to do with MK they will probably walk away, but if they drop by and see a bunch of reasonable and knowledgeable individuals respectfuly exposing their often diverse arguments and opinions they will actually want to jump in and take part of it. We are not Justin Bieber fans. We are ALL smart, mature and polite people. I'm not here to bootlick Mark Knopfler. I love him but I love my parents better and still criticize them when they do something I disapprove - and they do the same, more often than I do. In the end it just shows that we care about one another. I care about Mark, if I didn't I wouldn't bother writing this.
Can we just accept that everyone around here loves and looks up to Mark? Then can we also accept that people are different and express their love and admiration differently? If you disagree with me either ignore it or bring something to the table instead of criticizing my opinion. I promise you no fan will turn their back to AMIT if two people are politely disagreeing on Mark related stuff, but they will if this PC outbreak continues.
So is mentioning gender not a dirty word anymore, Ed? When we last discussed this, I said I would try to be more PC in future, but you said something like "No, don't do that - being PC is boring" or words to that effect. Now both LE and yourself are saying PC is a plague - so shall I go back to being non-PC? Confused! :hmm :think
Superval, as you said yourself I said PC is boring back then and said it again now. The gender card can be played to backup PC or to deconstruct it, it depends on the context.
I will always be against PC and what I said to you a few months ago actually reinforces it.
So, I can mention gender now without upsetting you or LE? Actually, I am naturally a non-PC person! ;D
Post by: Jules on January 27, 2018, 12:49:45 PM
I don't see what we can't mention gender if we do it with respect?
However, sadly there will be always offended because of that fake and exaggerated PC.
Post by: Eddie Fox on January 27, 2018, 12:50:57 PM
Ok, this is what I'll be doing from this very moment onwards. I'll continue to express my opinion freely and ignore any comments that criticize me for having one. If a member disagrees with the opinion itself, as long as there's mutual respect, I'll be more than happy to discuss it, just like in real life. I'm done with it.
Post by: Jules on January 27, 2018, 12:58:21 PM
Actually I would say it's overreacting to others people comments. This would work better if we assume that actually nobody wants to offend the rest. Unless they clearly do.
Edit: I want to add that I even find funny that any male could be offended by a clique, very funny!
I indeed think that Val is a very funny and nice person so this PC thing and gender cliques are nonsense.
Post by: Trawlerman on January 27, 2018, 01:51:22 PM
Apparently some people would love to dictate some kind of way of life, and there's not a single day that goes without this gender bullshit debate nowadays.
Biologically speaking we are animals, more precisely mammals. It means 2 genders, not 3, not 1 and not 0.
That strange animal called human sometimes acts as if he refuses to be what he is.
With that said, we are highly intelligent animals, let's say a different kind of animal. We are capable of using our brain et respect anyone, even other humans who have nothing in common. Some won't, I agree, but it's not a rule.
I call a woman a woman and a man a man. It doesn't mean shit, I respect anyone at the same level. It shouldn't forbid making jokes. Men make jokes about women and women make jokes about men, hell even women make jokes about other women (blondes ones mostly), nothing wrong with that if it truly is a joke and not a discrimination attempt.
Life is short, humans shouldn't waste their precious time arguing about a very natural thing, cause we're all different and still all the same somehow, so it's an endless fight and be assured that no one will win this one.
Post by: Jules on January 27, 2018, 01:54:41 PM
Post by: superval99 on January 27, 2018, 01:59:44 PM
Many people feel kind of lost in this strange era and I'm one of them.
Apparently some people would love to dictate some kind of way of life, and there's not a single day that goes without this gender bullshit debate nowadays.
Biologically speaking we are animals, more precisely mammals. It means 2 genders, not 3, not 1 and not 0.
That strange animal called human sometimes acts as if he refuses to be what he is.
With that said, we are highly intelligent animals, let's say a different kind of animal. We are capable of using our brain et respect anyone, even other humans who have nothing in common. Some won't, I agree, but it's not a rule.
I call a woman a woman and a man a man. It doesn't mean shit, I respect anyone at the same level. It shouldn't forbid making jokes. Men make jokes about women and women make jokes about men, hell even women make jokes about other women (blondes ones mostly), nothing wrong with that if it truly is a joke and not a discrimination attempt.
Life is short, humans shouldn't waste their precious time arguing about a very natural thing, cause we're all different and still all the same somehow, so it's an endless fight and be assured that no one will win this one.
Well said! :clap
I read somewhere recently that some schools in Britain are stopping calling the children girls and boys - they are now just pupils! The world is going PC crazy! We are male and female, girls and boys, ladies and gentlemen, men and women etc!
Post by: Trawlerman on January 27, 2018, 02:28:41 PM
Many people feel kind of lost in this strange era and I'm one of them.
Apparently some people would love to dictate some kind of way of life, and there's not a single day that goes without this gender bullshit debate nowadays.
Biologically speaking we are animals, more precisely mammals. It means 2 genders, not 3, not 1 and not 0.
That strange animal called human sometimes acts as if he refuses to be what he is.
With that said, we are highly intelligent animals, let's say a different kind of animal. We are capable of using our brain et respect anyone, even other humans who have nothing in common. Some won't, I agree, but it's not a rule.
I call a woman a woman and a man a man. It doesn't mean shit, I respect anyone at the same level. It shouldn't forbid making jokes. Men make jokes about women and women make jokes about men, hell even women make jokes about other women (blondes ones mostly), nothing wrong with that if it truly is a joke and not a discrimination attempt.
Life is short, humans shouldn't waste their precious time arguing about a very natural thing, cause we're all different and still all the same somehow, so it's an endless fight and be assured that no one will win this one.
Well said! :clap
I read somewhere recently that some schools in Britain are stopping calling the children girls and boys - they are now just pupils! The world is going PC crazy! We are male and female, girls and boys, ladies and gentlemen, men and women etc!
Yes I saw that too. And not only in Britain
I won't and can't judge if it's a good or a bad thing, but the same logic applies in the army, there are no males or females, there are just soldiers, officers and whatever, everything is neutral. Except that when it comes to scales, there 's a grid for men and a grid for women, and that's where the PC finds its limits obviously.
Post by: Love Expresso on January 27, 2018, 02:44:14 PM
So posting at AMIT could automatically happen in a more male environment which might lead to those "clique" behaviour unintentionally.
LE
Post by: superval99 on January 27, 2018, 02:57:24 PM
I have no idea how many of the AMIT members are female and it never bothered me the slightest. It SEEMS there are more men writing and posting. The same at concerts, never counted them but I would say the male part of the aufience is significant higher. Probably because of the guitar hero thing.
So posting at AMIT could automatically happen in a more male environment which might lead to those "clique" behaviour unintentionally.
LE
At the moment the ratio male to female is 3.8:1, but of that number only about three females are actively posting, but the active males are much higher. Yes, it is much more likely that males would form a clique and I really didn't say "male clique" to offend anyone. Can we put this behind us now and be friends? :)
Post by: Robson on January 27, 2018, 03:17:22 PM
Post by: Jules on January 27, 2018, 03:22:09 PM
I have no idea how many of the AMIT members are female and it never bothered me the slightest. It SEEMS there are more men writing and posting. The same at concerts, never counted them but I would say the male part of the aufience is significant higher. Probably because of the guitar hero thing.
So posting at AMIT could automatically happen in a more male environment which might lead to those "clique" behaviour unintentionally.
LE
At the moment the ratio male to female is 3.8:1, but of that number only about three females are actively posting, but the active males are much higher. Yes, it is much more likely that males would form a clique and I really didn't say "male clique" to offend anyone. Can we put this behind us now and be friends? :)
Let's close this with a promise of sharing a glass of something next tour!
;)
Post by: superval99 on January 27, 2018, 03:26:07 PM
I have no idea how many of the AMIT members are female and it never bothered me the slightest. It SEEMS there are more men writing and posting. The same at concerts, never counted them but I would say the male part of the aufience is significant higher. Probably because of the guitar hero thing.
So posting at AMIT could automatically happen in a more male environment which might lead to those "clique" behaviour unintentionally.
LE
At the moment the ratio male to female is 3.8:1, but of that number only about three females are actively posting, but the active males are much higher. Yes, it is much more likely that males would form a clique and I really didn't say "male clique" to offend anyone. Can we put this behind us now and be friends? :)
Let's close this with a promise of sharing a glass of something next tour!
;)
That would be lovely! I hope it's not too long to wait! :wave
Post by: Eddie Fox on January 27, 2018, 03:40:53 PM
There's a huge argument going on in Brazil about a male volleyball player who played for years in our men's professional league and now plays in the women's league. Needless to say Tiffany (that's 'her' new name), who as Rodrigo (I think that's his given name) was never a top player, is now the biggest scorer in the league. No matter what sort of treatment he goes through, his organs, muscles and bones will always be far stronger and more resistant than any woman's. That's biology, you can't fight it.
Now there are two totally different aspects to be considered. Socially speaking this person has every right to go through this kind of transformation and be accepted and respected as every decent human being must be. However, when you take advantage of that, especially knowing that PC standards will protect you, that's a totally different beast. As you can imagine - even though most people strongly disapprove it - society is mostly mute because if you go public and openly say you're against it every social justice warrior out there will hit you hard.
That's why I think PC is destroying our society.
Just to make things clear, there's no connection between this and any previous discussions we have had here. I'm just telling a story lol
Post by: Love Expresso on January 27, 2018, 04:05:13 PM
I have no idea how many of the AMIT members are female and it never bothered me the slightest. It SEEMS there are more men writing and posting. The same at concerts, never counted them but I would say the male part of the aufience is significant higher. Probably because of the guitar hero thing.
So posting at AMIT could automatically happen in a more male environment which might lead to those "clique" behaviour unintentionally.
LE
At the moment the ratio male to female is 3.8:1, but of that number only about three females are actively posting, but the active males are much higher. Yes, it is much more likely that males would form a clique and I really didn't say "male clique" to offend anyone. Can we put this behind us now and be friends? :)
Let's close this with a promise of sharing a glass of something next tour!
;)
That would be lovely! I hope it's not too long to wait! :wave
Sure, but I won't probably go anyway at a greater scale.
LE
Post by: superval99 on January 27, 2018, 04:13:37 PM
I have no idea how many of the AMIT members are female and it never bothered me the slightest. It SEEMS there are more men writing and posting. The same at concerts, never counted them but I would say the male part of the aufience is significant higher. Probably because of the guitar hero thing.
So posting at AMIT could automatically happen in a more male environment which might lead to those "clique" behaviour unintentionally.
LE
At the moment the ratio male to female is 3.8:1, but of that number only about three females are actively posting, but the active males are much higher. Yes, it is much more likely that males would form a clique and I really didn't say "male clique" to offend anyone. Can we put this behind us now and be friends? :)
Let's close this with a promise of sharing a glass of something next tour!
;)
That would be lovely! I hope it's not too long to wait! :wave
Sure, but I won't probably go anyway at a greater scale.
LE
Do you mean you won't be going to ANY of the concerts, LE? ???
Post by: Love Expresso on January 27, 2018, 04:39:36 PM
LE
Post by: Jules on January 27, 2018, 05:05:59 PM
A/ fits better with flights from where I live
B/ cities I've never been before or I've been and like
C/ dates on weekends, bank holidays or holidays
Mk concert is just the excuse. I'm learning to not care about the "same old setlist blues"
;)
Post by: Robson on January 27, 2018, 05:11:13 PM
Post by: Love Expresso on January 27, 2018, 05:24:05 PM
LE
Post by: Love Expresso on January 27, 2018, 05:27:46 PM
LE
Post by: Jules on January 27, 2018, 05:32:31 PM
Post by: Jules on January 27, 2018, 05:33:29 PM
I would love to have a Blu-Ray from the 2013 tour. Sadly that won't happen.
LE
Even MK recorded one concert in video that tour at the BBC studios...
Post by: Love Expresso on January 27, 2018, 05:34:59 PM
LE
Post by: Jules on January 27, 2018, 06:01:51 PM
5:15 am in Newcastle (!) is an absolute gem. Love it. Was so cool that he really did it.
LE
I couldn't believe my ears... I was so happy that I did that travel at that moment...
Post by: Love Expresso on January 27, 2018, 06:03:31 PM
Plus Mark's singing is really emotional.
LE
Post by: Jules on January 27, 2018, 06:11:06 PM
Post by: Don70 on January 27, 2018, 08:11:59 PM
Post by: Eddie Fox on January 27, 2018, 08:18:39 PM
Says the guy who seems to listen to live recordings not for enjoyment, but to find mistakes and point them out. In that sense, you're missing the point live music ENTIRELY.
Dude, no need to make this kind of personal attack, don’t you think?
Post by: Jules on January 27, 2018, 08:35:46 PM
Says the guy who seems to listen to live recordings not for enjoyment, but to find mistakes and point them out. In that sense, you're missing the point live music ENTIRELY.
Just put an example, an exact quote of what you are telling or I will consider you as a troll, as someone already said...
Edit: nevermind. I already added you to the "ignore list", I don't have time to waste with people that looks like only want to start fires... Bye bye, farewell.
Post by: Robson on January 27, 2018, 09:07:43 PM
Post by: Jules on January 27, 2018, 10:01:53 PM
Is this list long? No answer. I'm probably on it :lol
No, if you were on it, I won't be reading you ;)
Just two people. The first one was a troll I added like 5 years ago, and now this person. I'm quite tolerant but with the years my patience is lower and lower.
There are too much good people here to loose time with others than only search for fight.
Post by: Don70 on January 27, 2018, 10:59:16 PM
Post by: Don70 on January 27, 2018, 11:01:31 PM