A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: Brunno Nunes- (Universo Dire Straits) on April 27, 2014, 07:33:51 PM
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I believe I have one more mystery unraveled! :D
http://www.mirrorpix.com/webgate/preview.php?UURL=ea9e7a37d20fe264325a5facf3ea0ecf&IMGID=00028582
(http://) Amazing to see this photo, it explains a great curiosity, watching the visual on both, it seems that it is about the formation of charity concert by Dire Straits, May 1989. It was a private "invited-guests only show" and the tickets were 125.00 UK Pounds each! It was done to raise money for the Life Education charity, which helps prevent drug abuse among young kids, and of which John Illsley is a committee member. The evening raised 40,000.00 UK Pounds!
There is a bootleg called EGHAM 1989 little was known about the line-up for this show, the question was ... (who was actually the drummer and rhythm guitarist in concert?) Buy this photo, I am left doubts that it is the formation show in Anugraha Centre, Egham, UK-May 1989. Last concert with Terry Williams and Brendan Croker was the rhythm guitarist.
What do you think?
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but it says, newcastle and october??
Mark Knopfler leads his supergroup Dire Straits infront of just 700 people at the Mayfair Ballroom, Newcastle. The concert was in support of North East Personality of the Year, Joanne Gillespie, 12, who wrote the book 'Brave Heart' about her fight against cancer.
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Seems like another concert. As Pottel says there are a couple of anomalies with regard to the date (Egham concert was in May), venue and it seems Brendan is here too.
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Yes, I know, but it certainly should be the same formation in Egham concert, once both had the same character as> A one-off charity concert!
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Egham concert had someone playing harmonica in one song, I think it was in Nadine...
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I've seen the Egham concert dated as 30 April rather than May. Doesn't anyone really know.
The venue was a conference centre that later closed, I think, but it may be a hotel again now (under a different name).
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I've seen the Egham concert dated as 30 April rather than May. Doesn't anyone really know.
The venue was a conference centre that later closed, I think, but it may be a hotel again now (under a different name).
That's interesting because I've never had a day for the concert and only the month. I think I came upon some information about this on Facebook recently so I'll have a look and see if I can find it again. OEB site also has May but no day but that may be where I got the information years ago.
Edit: can't find it anywhere!
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http://www.songkick.com/concerts/1476901-dire-straits-at-anugraha-centre
Correct or incorrect? I have no idea.
Maybe someone should check out the back issues of the local newspaper. The SURREY HERALD covers Egham and has been going for years. Maybe one of the libraries in Surrey carries back issues.
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Or check old DSIS newsletters. I am 99% sure I read something about the Egham concert in there. But since my collection is in a storage (waiting for a new home), I have no access to it. Maybe someone else can check?
Jeroen
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I don't remember where I got my egham bootleg from, but the files are named "Dire Straits - Egham 9.10.89 01 Sultans of Swing.mp3"
it must have been confused with the other gig mentioned in the article... but strange it's not the 9th but the 10th ...? :hmm
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I think since twm's information actually has a day as well as month and year, I'm more incline to go along with that as the correct date. Still strange that another random date has appeared though. :think
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Great pic, MK looking more like Keith Harris than ever.
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I believe I have one more mystery unraveled! :D
http://www.mirrorpix.com/webgate/preview.php?UURL=ea9e7a37d20fe264325a5facf3ea0ecf&IMGID=00028582
(http://) Amazing to see this photo, it explains a great curiosity, watching the visual on both, it seems that it is about the formation of charity concert by Dire Straits, May 1989. It was a private "invited-guests only show" and the tickets were 125.00 UK Pounds each! It was done to raise money for the Life Education charity, which helps prevent drug abuse among young kids, and of which John Illsley is a committee member. The evening raised 40,000.00 UK Pounds!
There is a bootleg called EGHAM 1989 little was known about the line-up for this show, the question was ... (who was actually the drummer and rhythm guitarist in concert?) Buy this photo, I am left doubts that it is the formation show in Anugraha Centre, Egham, UK-May 1989. Last concert with Terry Williams and Brendan Croker was the rhythm guitarist.
What do you think?
Actually that bootleg was circulating years and years and years under the name "Newcastle 89", and it was Jeroen who changed it to "Egham 89" as he said, many years ago too, that the read in a DSIS letter that the concert was in Egham. He also says in the comments about this recording in his site that MK sings "Here I am again in this Egham town" when singing So Far Away, but I never recognized it so clearly...
So now that we know that there was a concert in Newcastle again, maybe it is not and never was Egham, but Newcastle that recording...
Anybody has the recording to listen that So Far Away?
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I never knew that Brendan played with DS. Every day's a school day.
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"He also says in the comments about this recording in his site that MK sings "Here I am again in this Egham town"
I just checked my site, but that is not what I mentioned there (and I did not edit anything the past years on that recording), don't know why you think so? Sure you got that line from my site? I don't have the recording at hand now, but maybe MK reveals the town indeed during So far Away. I really wonder which city he mentions, can anyone check please?
To me, it is still a bit of a mystery. I wonder if one can ever tell which show is from Newcastle and which show is from Egham. As far as I know, the recording I have is from Egham. But if my memory serves me right, DSIS only mentioned the Egham concert, maybe that is why I thought it had to be Egham while it was originally labelled as Newcastle? But it is simply too long ago to be sure under which name I received that cassette tape back then.
Jeroen
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I just checked SFA now and.......
during the calypso part he is singing "that mean old town" (2:19), and during the "rock" part he's singing " newcastle town" (5:52)......
so maybe the bootleg is really from newcatsle, and really from october.... ???
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Let me tell you a story. It has nothing directly to do with MK or DS but may throw some light on all this.
It was many years ago and I forget some of the details and maybe the exact chronology but it went something like this. I was looking to get mrs twm any unusual item for her birthday and was asking around at the local record fair. One of the dealers said he had something of interest but it was in Newcastle. I said I'd come across some time and, soon, an arrangement was made. I took my elder son with me and, for some reason that I disremember, I wanted to go the terminal building at Newcastle Airport on the way. There, my son noticed one of his favourite bands checking in. They had played in Newcastle, at a fairly small venue, the night before and he managed to get some autographs. Off we went into town and I got the item I was after. We mentioned seeing this band at the airport and this guy said he had recorded the show. My son was interested in getting a copy but the dealer was reluctant. He asked what my son had in exchange and I reminded my son that he had made a decent recording of a Dylan show in Glasgow (another story in itself) and they agreed to exchange cassette recordings. The guy said he recorded just about anyone and everyone who was performing in Newcastle. Later, I got a call from a friend saying they'd bought a Dylan bootleg LP and they could hear my son's voice on it asking the time. He was checking, so that he turned the cassette at the right time. Anyway, I tackled this dealer the next time I saw him. He gave me a few copies of the bootleg, saying that he exchanged cassette recordings with another contact who sometimes had bootleg LPs made and that's what had happened. This was, I think, in 1990, close enough in time to the concert you're talking about.
Just a thought!
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Thanks JF for checking the recording! I think it would be very unlogical if MK mentions Newcastle in a song while playing in Egham. So, I now really think the recording has to be from Newcastle and will change it on my site soon.
Once I have my collection back at home, I will check the DSIS newsletters from 1989 again to see what was actually written.
Jeroen
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but twm, what was that recording, and who was that band??
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Pottel, I have no recallection whatsoever. At that time, my son was into those Midlands bands like The Wonderstuff, PWEI and so on. Ii wasn't either of those but I think it was a band like that. Definitely not DS, anyway. I'd ask my son but he's tied up with other things at the moment.
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"He also says in the comments about this recording in his site that MK sings "Here I am again in this Egham town"
I just checked my site, but that is not what I mentioned there (and I did not edit anything the past years on that recording), don't know why you think so? Sure you got that line from my site? I don't have the recording at hand now, but maybe MK reveals the town indeed during So far Away. I really wonder which city he mentions, can anyone check please?
Jeroen
Dear Jeroen, I recall reading that from you, I thought that it was in you site, maybe it was in an old post in TR, maybe I asked you by mail and you answered that, honestly cant recall it, but I am pretty sure I read that from you.
About the DSIS letter, in internet I can find one from December 88 and the next one is from August 1990, sorry I cant help more.
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Chris White thought he was in Egham :think
http://www.chriswhite-saxophone.com/dtour/diret.html
Does anyone has a spare copy of this charity show ?
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Than again:
Little Joanne Gillespie is the inspiration behind Brave Hearts. The 11-year-old Teesside girl turned the tragic story of her battle against a recurrent brain tumour into a diary back in 1989.
Robin Alexander, a member of Hexham Round Table, was so moved he launched an appeal to help children with similar stories.
The fundraising drive ended with Dire Straits headlining a gala charity dinner at the famous old Newcastle Mayfair ballroom venue
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Chris White thought he was in Egham :think
http://www.chriswhite-saxophone.com/dtour/diret.html
strange that Uniondale 11th october 85 is not in his list
although David Sanborn played sax on TOL and WWE, Chris was here, as Mark introduced him during TOL
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I have seen that Chris White site before, and I have my doubts if that info was not taken from the internet somewhere instead of being taken from a real personal diary from Chris himself. So, I would not take it all too serious, after all it is a Chris White FAN SITE.
Jeroen
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I have seen that Chris White site before, and I have my doubts if that info was not taken from the internet somewhere instead of being taken from a real personal diary from Chris himself. So, I would not take it all too serious, after all it is a Chris White FAN SITE.
Jeroen
you got a point Jeroen , its run by Slavi , i guess some of us may know her.
It seems that some people who visited the site were thinking it is really Chris's ;D
http://185334.guestbooks.motigo.com/?
anyway i stick with The old Newcastle Mayfair ballroom venue ,May,1989.
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I also recall reading about the Egham concert in the DSIS newsletter, but someone from the DS band said that in 1989 there were two charity concerts, I cant remember if it was Terry Williams, Alan Clark or John Illsley, but I read it somewhere...
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Egham and Newcastle :)
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Chris White thought he was in Egham :think
http://www.chriswhite-saxophone.com/dtour/diret.html
Does anyone has a spare copy of this charity show ?
Do you mean a copy of the "Egham" recording ? I should have it at home.
I can send it to you.
Good timing because I was thinking about sending you shortly a few uncirculated recordings that may interest you ;)
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Chris White thought he was in Egham :think
http://www.chriswhite-saxophone.com/dtour/diret.html
Does anyone has a spare copy of this charity show ?
Do you mean a copy of the "Egham" recording ? I should have it at home.
I can send it to you.
Good timing because I was thinking about sending you shortly a few uncirculated recordings that may interest you ;)
yeah please Tunnel85 :thumbsup
uncirculated recordings?? , i have two or three unedited (Pottel) recordings on the shelf , but please fill up my email inbox . thx in advance my friend :wave
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Chris White thought he was in Egham :think
http://www.chriswhite-saxophone.com/dtour/diret.html
Does anyone has a spare copy of this charity show ?
Do you mean a copy of the "Egham" recording ? I should have it at home.
I can send it to you.
Good timing because I was thinking about sending you shortly a few uncirculated recordings that may interest you ;)
yeah please Tunnel85 :thumbsup
uncirculated recordings?? , i have two or three unedited (Pottel) recordings on the shelf , but please fill up my email inbox . thx in advance my friend :wave
well, maybe you've seen one of them, maybe you've heard another one from the shelf, but for sure the rest is fresh ;D
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I prevailed on mrs twm to check her old stuff (she doesn't get excited about this sort of thing) and it is mentioned in the DSIS newsletter for "AUG/SEP '89".
It refers to a "one-off charity concert in May, at The Anugraha Centre in Egham", which raised
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Egham recording? I thought I had that recording too for over 10 years but it appeared to be the Newcastle show. Please check the mentioned city in So Far Away, just to be sure :D
Jeroen
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Thanks twm, that was exactly what I read before in the old DSIS newsletter. I think it only mentioned the Egham show, no sign of the Newcastle show, right? I guess that is where all the confusion began. So, two charity shows in 1989, with at least one recording which must be from Newcastle I think. Would of course be great if the show in Egham was also recorded!
Jeroen
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Perhaps a recording exists of Egham but no one has released it simply because they thought it was already circulating!
Thank-you Mrs. twm.
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While these old DSIS newsletters are lying around, I've had a very quick look to see if I can spot any reference to the Newcastle charity show but I'm afraid that I can't. Sorry.
I did note something that may (or may not) be of interest to some folks here - see new "Lockerbie tickets" thread.
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While these old DSIS newsletters are lying around, I've had a very quick look to see if I can spot any reference to the Newcastle charity show but I'm afraid that I can't. Sorry.
I did note something that may (or may not) be of interest to some folks here - see new "Lockerbie tickets" thread.
I'm here waiting for your new thread. Keeping refreshing. :D
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so we have :
It refers to a "one-off charity concert in May, at The Anugraha Centre in Egham", which raised
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A few comments from the non-fan here:
1. "Walk of Life", mentioned in the DSIS newsletter, is not on the bootleg album which was originally called "Egham" but turns out to be from Newcastle.
2.The DSIS newsletter also says that "it was a private 'invited guests only show (tickets were
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A few comments from the non-fan here:
2.The DSIS newsletter also says that "it was a private 'invited guests only show (tickets were
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I did say that it was "unlikely that many DS fans attended" and did not suggest that no DS fans attended.
What you do know is that, if a DS fan did attend this charity event, if he or she had a recorder with them and if he or she then recorded the show, it has never been circulated in the 25 years since the show took place. Sad but true.
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yep tvm , i also think that at least one show is not recorded or did not surfaced yet , and that because he or she may think that it is already among the fans as the Egham gig
Still i think that the show widely spread as " Egham" is the Newcastle show.
i gave the recording a close listen ( got a copy no need to send me one , thx anyway Tunnel85 ) , and during the intro you can hear
the announcer say:
"Ladies and Gentlemen give a round off applause because once again they have given their services for free now......"
does " once again..." point to the "Egham" gig which has nothing to do with the BraveHeart foundation but still it is charity , or the day before the 9Th which comes up when google-ing with the 10th on setlistfm** (without setlist) or further back to the Mandela gig. ?
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http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dire-straits/1989/newcastle-city-hall-newcastle-england-73d53a8d.html 1989-10-09
http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dire-straits/1989/mayfair-ballroom-newcastle-england-13c79151.html 1989-10-10
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more a general thing in those days i believe, were they not pretty active to cash in charity wise from their fame? (i mean, use the benefits of their fame to push charities)
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Hi all
Interesting topic. At last we can see a photo of the 1989 DS!
I'm Joan from Barcelona. Terry Williams always told me about one concert. I'm sure if there had been another concert he would talk about it. If it was his last concert ever with DS how he could forget there were two the same year?
Dire Straits in two benefic gigs in 5 months? Don't think so. I'm almost sure there was only one concert.
Strange no one recorded it in video. We have 3 homevideos from the 1985 tour (Vienna, Toronto, Helsinki) and no one recorded this one in 1989? Also very strange there are any photos of the event and the only one we have has surfaced 25 years later.
Very interesting mistery. Nice Enlight remastered version !
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hey Joan, welcome on AMit :-)
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thanks Pottel !
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I have an answer from Alan Clark in Facebook !:
Can't remember if there was one in Egham
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I have an answer from Alan Clark in Facebook !:
Can't remember if there was one in Egham
As expected , he did remember the New Castle Brave Hearts Charity Gig in Oct. or another one that same year? (probably not asked ;D )
I mean how many gigs did he played with DS in 1989 :think
thx for your effort Joan , and of course welcome.
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I asked twice and only got this short answer...
Something's better than nothing... ;)
I wanted to buy the photo in paper but they only sell to UK.
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I have an answer from Alan Clark in Facebook !:
Can't remember if there was one in Egham
As expected , he did remember the New Castle Brave Hearts Charity Gig in Oct. or another one that same year? (probably not asked ;D )
I mean how many gigs did he played with DS in 1989 :think
thx for your effort Joan , and of course welcome.
It was 25 years ago so...
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a charity gig in front of 700 people for a little girl fighting cancer ,with the big Dire Straits two years after hugh BIA-tour will be remembered after 25 years,
what if we asked Alan about the 1988 Nelson Mandela GIG ???
of course you did the best you can Joan :thumbsup
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a charity gig in front of 700 people for a little girl fighting cancer ,with the big Dire Straits two years after hugh BIA-tour will be remembered after 25 years,
what if we asked Alan about the 1988 Nelson Mandela GIG ???
Maybe that this 1989 gig was not that memorable for him, just one more and not that impressive of playing a full crowded Wembley stadium.
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a charity gig in front of 700 people for a little girl fighting cancer ,with the big Dire Straits two years after hugh BIA-tour will be remembered after 25 years,
what if we asked Alan about the 1988 Nelson Mandela GIG ???
Maybe that this 1989 gig was not that memorable for him, just one more and not that impressive of playing a full crowded Wembley stadium.
Becuase of that wouldn't it be as easy remembering a small intimate charity gig in a year Dire Straits didn't perform more than once (or twice ? ) ,
they played more bigger events than small events like this. ( me for sure would not forget an intimate charity gig with DS between 1986 and 1991 for a little girl her impressive book about her fight for cancer) , but hey i am no Alan Clark... offcourse i would remember the Nelson and Knebworth park too .
i got the feeling that most ex members except for Jack sonni are not in for any questions about the Dire Straits period.
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From my experience, musicians are not always the most reliable witnesses to events in which they were involved.
For example, I can recall sending a photo from Mr Bob's "Like A Rolling Stone" session to a musician who was involved, asking, "Is that you on guitar there?" The reply I got was something like, "Sure is!". This guy has long said that, while he attended the session intending to play guitar, he heard Mike Bloomfield play and decided not to play guitar and took up the keyboards. When I later raised the matter of his confirmation that it was him playing guitar in the photo, he changed his story. "No, that's (another named guitar player). People are are always mixing the two of us up". The other guitarist was never involved in that particular session. What can you say? He was there and I wasn't but all the documentary evidence indicates that his memory was at fault.
At least Alan Clark didn't deny it had happened, only that he couldn't remember that particular show. Nothing wrong in that.
Many years ago, I was in a discussion with a blues fan I know who asked if I'd ever seen Jo-Anne Kelly in my early days haunting some of the clubs in the London arae. I said that I had not. Then, a few years later, I was looking through a pocket diary from the time and, lo and behold, there was her name down as one of the singers on my sole visit to a particular club. I can recall that visit but not her performing there. Another example. I have a ticket from a concert in St Pancras Town Hall in the late-1960s, with several musicians listed. I can recall the concert but I can't recall Jackson C. Frank (who was listed) performing there. I saw him elsewhere and can recall that but did he turn up to St Pancras Town Hall that night? I have no idea. And yet another example but the opposite way round. I saw The Incredible String Band at the Royal Festival Hall once and can recall Tim Buckley coming on as aguest after the interval and doing (I think) three songs. Quite some years ago, I mentioned this to someone who is keen on Tim Buckley and was more or less told that I was phantasizing, so much so that I began to doubt my own memory. Then, a few years back, came confirmation that I had recalled it correctly - and now can say that I am one of the small number of people in this country who has seen both Tim Buckley and Jeff Buckley perform live.
Anyway, I'm not really surprised that Alan Clark can't remember. Unless he keeps his old bookings diary or other mementos of all the shows in which he performs (and has ready access to them), it is reasonable that he would not recall.
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Thank God Al Kooper did put down the guitar, the organ is glorious.
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Thank God Al Kooper did put down the guitar, the organ is glorious.
yes but he played the 12strings guitar well during the session with Stills
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From my experience, musicians are not always the most reliable witnesses to events in which they were involved.
100% agree
other example is when Mark claims he used the 54 strat on trawlerman song in an itw, and we all know it's not the case
there are also many examples on Guy's forum. His answers are far far less accurate than fan's knowledge...
us, amateurish musicians have played less than 1% gigs compared to Alan's career, and could we recall exactly all gigs/dates we played ?
we fans, are "mad" about years/dates/venues/gear, etc... but in Mark's or Alan's or Guy's head, the 1985-1993 era was full of charity concerts, and they can easily confuse one with another
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nick mason of the floyd is a good one, he is the main collector of everything floyd, his book inside out is also great fun. i only got to see Jeff Buckley, but boy did he leave an impression.