A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: Jarle on March 18, 2014, 03:26:00 PM
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Hi!
For the 60th anniversary of the Stratocaster, Fender has selected 64 Stratocaster hits to compete about the title
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This is great -- thanks Jarle!!! My vote is IN :)
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A pr
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In the next round we'll have a battle between Dire Straits and Pink Floyd.
Let me do this list of three the most pointless things on Earth:
1. Men's nipples
2. Fender's Strat Madness
3. The Straits
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In the next round we'll have a battle between Dire Straits and Pink Floyd.
Let me do this list of three the most pointless things on Earth:
1. Men's nipples
2. Fender's Strat Madness
3. The Straits
Hmmmm. Probably but not in that order. And I do think that men's nipples are quite pointy, at times. ;D
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" And I do think that men's nipples are quite pointy, at times. ;D "
:lol :lol :lol
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Jarle -> done
foma -> you definitely oughta strike the first item from that list
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:smack
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getting back on topic. . . vote cast. There are a lot of DS fans that also like Floyd. . they have a hard choice to make, but I'm sure they will make the right one :think
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getting back on topic. . . vote cast. There are a lot of DS fans that also like Floyd. . they have a hard choice to make, but I'm sure they will make the right one :think
I am in this case, but I didn't hesitate and chose Sultans.
simply because the choice is not what song/artist you like the most, but what song do you think is the most iconic strat sound
and IMHO, Comfortably numb (although great song, gerat solo, great tone) is NOT a typical strat-ish sound, neither is Layla (although Iove this song)
to me, it was more difficult to choose between :
Apache
nowhere man
Sultans
because these are the 3 most typical stat-ish sounds iMHO, I mean among the songs listed
after thse 3, I would add the two Jimi's ones : little wing and wind cries mary
and maybe the 2 from SRV (pride and joy, and let's dance) and Cocaine
wicked games is another one, but I think it could sound almost the same on a gretsch
but songs like smoke on the water, bad love, layla, owner of a lonely heart, etc... although played on atsrat, are not the best examples of a typical strat-ish sound IMHO
for clatpon , old love, wolderful tonight, layd down sally, etc...are far more strat-ish than Bad love imho
I don't understand these choices
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Just played the Fender 60th Anniversary 'Classic Player' Strat in our local music store - very nice!!
http://www.fender.com/series/classic-player/60th-anniversary-classic-player-50s-stratocaster-maple-fingerboard-desert-sand/
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Voted sultans
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Voted sultans
Well done. You know it makes sense!
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For those of you who haven't seen it, second round is on. This time Sultans of Swing battles Comfortably Numb. Vote! :)
http://www.fender.com/strat-madness/
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Didn't get a fender invitation for round two. What is the use in registering if they don't send out invitations? Or are they afraid of us? ;D
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OK, voted, 10 votes ahead for SOS. But it was a tough decision. Comfortably Numb must be the song from my childhood, that I still listen at least 3-4 times each week, while SOS, is second with 1-2. I had a hard time voting for the last ones (90ies and 00nds), since I don't like either choice. Smashing Pumpkins and Red Hot Chilly peppers are OK, but two songs each! Spare me, there are so many other artists...and I always wonder why Clapton's Cocaine gets so many votes over Walk this way. After all it is just a good cover.
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For those of you who haven't seen it, second round is on. This time Sultans of Swing battles Comfortably Numb. Vote! :)
http://www.fender.com/strat-madness/
Sultans :) Well, I love Comfortably Numb too
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Just received the invitation! 4 hours late! I went through the site and built my ideal guitar. It will cost me 1800$! Saved it for later...
Maybe an MK signature is not a bad idea after all. Roughly the same price. Can I have both? Given that I will find time to play... My guitars look me very sadly from the corner. Its been 3 weeks since I last touched them...
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Pottel... proud of you! :D
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For those of you who haven't seen it, second round is on. This time Sultans of Swing battles Comfortably Numb. Vote! :)
http://www.fender.com/strat-madness/
Sultans :) Well, I love Comfortably Numb too
SOS hands down for me. :clap :thumbsup
SOS hands down.
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Just voted for SOS ! :thumbsup
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I voted! Quite a walk down memory lane! I could even vote on the Buddy Holly choices! But--I couldn't vote on the last five or six. :(
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Voted sultans
Well done. You know it makes sense!
as much as i love CN, i badly want MK to get recognition. gilmour has enough of it
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Voted sultans
Well done. You know it makes sense!
as much as i love CN, i badly want MK to get recognition. gilmour has enough of it
Exactly. :clap :clap. Besides, I think SOS is wayyyyyyyy better.
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Just voted for MK, really would like him to win.
Brian
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SOS easily booted 'Comfortably Dumb' into touch and is now up against 'Prove and Lide' :wave
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Another tough one! With SRV. But the toughest will be with Layla on the next round! If it passes from there, I guess it will be relatively easy to win, with only exception the Hendrix entry"Little wing" that seems to be the most serious contender (and probable winner).
However it is Clapton that has three songs in the list, Layla, Cocaine (competing each other now) and Bad love.
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Although I adore the Layla song (and the whole album) I wouldn't quote it as a typical "strat-ish" song
until today, I am still not sure if the main theme is played by Eric on strat or by Duane on Les Paul.
It's Duane who "composed" this theme by "accelerating" the first theme from the blues song "as the years go passing by", so he could be him playing it on the studio version.
This album was mixed in few days, in a "live" way, so I bet that all songs are mixed the same way, that means Duane mainly on the left, and Eric on the right. It's obvious on when you're down and out or key to the highway, but my guess is that it's the case on the whole album (except the first 3 songs where Duane doesn't play)
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2rd vote for SOS :clap
Brian
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Although I adore the Layla song (and the whole album) I wouldn't quote it as a typical "strat-ish" song
until today, I am still not sure if the main theme is played by Eric on strat or by Duane on Les Paul.
It's Duane who "composed" this theme by "accelerating" the first theme from the blues song "as the years go passing by", so he could be him playing it on the studio version.
This album was mixed in few days, in a "live" way, so I bet that all songs are mixed the same way, that means Duane mainly on the left, and Eric on the right. It's obvious on when you're down and out or key to the highway, but my guess is that it's the case on the whole album (except the first 3 songs where Duane doesn't play)
There was some guitar overdubb on Layla with at least three guitars on it.
The freaky riff is Duane.
Tom Down explained in an interview that the album run 5% faster than original recording speed
Eric said that singing under drug effects is generally not a good thing but for the Layla song it helped him to sing it better.
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There was some guitar overdubb on Layla with at least three guitars on it.
The freaky riff is Duane.
"some guitar overdubb" is an euphemism :
I had a magazine (guitar part I guess) explaining all guitar parts on this song, and I remember it said that Layla was a "guitar concerto" with "6 guitars", only for the 1st part (rock song) :
from memory I immediately think of 5 :
1st part (rock song) :
- the first riff is doubbled : 2 guitars
- then you have another rhythm guitar
- then the lead one. is it what you mean by "The freaky riff" ?
- at the end (of the 1st part) : slide lead
then, 2nd part (balad)
- acoustic
- leslie
- 2 slide leads
the whole album is full of overdubb (all song have at least 3 guitars), but in the same time has a "live" feeling
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By freaky riff I mean found by Duane. I am quite unable to determine who play what on this one.
For the live feeling the band was jamming quite a lot so overdubb were pobably just "add on" over already strong basic live tracks.
"Key To The Highway" fade in in due to the band jamming on it and the tech did not start the recorder on time.
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There were lots of recordings. I have a double LP with more jamming from the sessions, unfortunately they are good only for the curious fan.
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Now: Sultans vs Layla. I see now that you have to login in order to vote. Has that been the case all the time, and does that mean that my other votes have not been counted? :P
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Seems to have been- I had to register first time & enter my username & password when I voted in the second round.
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Seems to have been- I had to register first time & enter my username & password when I voted in the second round.
Ok. Thanks! :)
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I didnt think it would get past Layla but its currently winning. :clap
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48 to 27
Little wing up next
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I didnt think it would get past Layla but its currently winning. :clap
Really, why? Layla is a great song but it's no SOS imo
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Fingers crossed it will stay ahead - I have to admit to a bit of "tactical voting" on the other contenders ;D
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Jarle you have to register every time AFTER voting! So SOS was winning despite your missing vote, but now it is the tough spot. Layla is a legend as much as SOS, or more since Clapton was playing and the story of Patti Boyd haunts it. On the other hand (and this is only my opinion) Layla has always been one of the songs I skipped when playing the D&D album. Maybe because I had listened to it many times before on various compilations, maybe because I find at least 5 other songs in the album far superior, maybe because I was lead to it by other people and didn't find it myself. Little wing, if SoS goes that far, is going to be the hard one. The perfect song. Strangely Clapton covered it with the D&D, but I always prefer the original. Elliptical, short and almost mystical.
Hold on! Now I spotted it. The winner amongst SoS and Layla is not competing with Little wing, but with Scar tissue!
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91-47
I voted for Layla just to make it little harder... :P
Only kidding
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Jarle you have to register every time AFTER voting! So SOS was winning despite your missing vote, but now it is the tough spot. Layla is a legend as much as SOS, or more since Clapton was playing and the story of Patti Boyd haunts it. On the other hand (and this is only my opinion) Layla has always been one of the songs I skipped when playing the D&D album. Maybe because I had listened to it many times before on various compilations, maybe because I find at least 5 other songs in the album far superior, maybe because I was lead to it by other people and didn't find it myself. Little wing, if SoS goes that far, is going to be the hard one. The perfect song. Strangely Clapton covered it with the D&D, but I always prefer the original. Elliptical, short and almost mystical.
Hold on! Now I spotted it. The winner amongst SoS and Layla is not competing with Little wing, but with Scar tissue!
Voted 8)
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All my dead grandparents have registered and voted for sultans.
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Special permit by St. Peter, I suppose.
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Banjo :lol :thumbsup
thanks for beefing up one of the most boring threads ever! ;D
LE
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Hey guys, Layla now beat SOS with 100 votes. Something happened on the weekend :)
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Sultans had two times more votes. Actially this was Eric's birthday, which gave the voting boost as I think.
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Layla and the "brownie" Strat has a much higher profile in musical history than SOS I'm afraid.
We're talking about a song Eric wrote as a plea to his muse, a Beatles wife! With one of the catchiest riffs ever, plus the guitar is on the album cover!
Luckily we all know these competitions are ridiculous right? It's cool enough that many Fender freaks know about Sultans, but it's no surprise there's an uphill battle if the artist himself doesn't care ;)
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for what it's worth- I voted again & re-registered with one of my other email identities. It's one extra vote anyway! ::)
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I think we all did our best, but I guess it wasn't good enough... Never mind always no1 in our hearts!
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Hey, it's not over yet and it all could change again in favour of SOS just as quickly - fingers crossed ! :)
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Layla and the "brownie" Strat has a much higher profile in musical history than SOS I'm afraid.
We're talking about a song Eric wrote as a plea to his muse, a Beatles wife! With one of the catchiest riffs ever, plus the guitar is on the album cover!
well, Brownie is "only" on the back cover, while the red strat was the logo of the Band for dire straits ! ;D
and I am quite sure that the famous Layla riff/theme is played by Duane, so on a LP, not on Brownie ! :o
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I think we all did our best, but I guess it wasn't good enough... Never mind always no1 in our hearts!
:wave
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I love " Layla" but I LOVE. " SOS" million times more. Let's keep voting with different email accounts. :lol
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Too late. 250 votes more and Layla went to the semi finals. It was a good fight though...
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SOS would probably have gotten third place if there was still a battle for the rest, which is not bad at all. (or fifth, but scar tissue above, really?)
Clapton is in the semi finals with two songs! Unbelievable! Can only speculate about results. Little wing is surely far superior as a song and with a guitar legend that is considered by many the most inventive player ever, but Layla is equally if not more well known, and the artist is alive and playing still. And someone wrote on the wall that he is a God...
So I would go for Hendrix, but it will be a tough battle.
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By the way, the most perfect Fender song in my opinion is Cause we've ended as lovers by Jeff Beck, which wasn't in the poll. It is the best instrumental fender guitar music ever, for me. And against it, I would probably have voted for SOS only if they met at the finals, for sentimental reasons. .
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By the way, the most perfect Fender song in my opinion is Cause we've ended as lovers by Jeff Beck, which wasn't in the poll. It is the best instrumental fender guitar music ever, for me. And against it, I would probably have voted for SOS only if they met at the finals, for sentimental reasons. .
so awesome. you mean the pivotal amnesty international 1983 live version??
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We had that discussion before, haven't we? ;)
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mmm, listening t this now...check that reverb .....aweeeeessssooommeee...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fi-S9lrnLZ8
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deffo not a fender on that song.....damn this song needs to be played LOOOOUDUUUUUDDDDDD
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Neil is not a Fender man, (this must be a Gretch) although he had some songs with the strato. Did you locate this song, because I remember that you have been looking for it... The Dead man OST does not contain it, as you have already said.
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exactly. there is an even longer version, 14 minutes. but this one is my favourite
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We'll have to wait for his Archives vol. 2 or 3...
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dead man is played on a Gibson LP, not on a gretsch
caus' wev'e ended as lovers is played on a strat in studio, but was played live sometimes on a tele I think