A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: Best Brown Baggies on October 29, 2011, 09:29:47 PM
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Just wondering????
Apparently, according to Dave Pask (an old friend of Mark's)
there probably are some old dusty recordings of the 'Cafe Racers'
knocking around in an attic somewhere.
But I was also curious as to if there were any bootlegs from the
time Dire Straits were the support act for The Talking Heads &
The Climax Blues Band from 1977.
Anyone??
Cheers. BBB
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Leeds 30.01.78 soundboard is when DS were support for Talking Heads I believe.
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Cool, I think I have that one. :)
I'll have to dig it out.
Cheers. BBB
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I bet MK himself has got some soundboards recordings from the "Cafe Racers" days, well somewhere.
It's cash in the attic!
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Apparently some other famous blues man has a recording (amongs many others) of that famous first deptford show, of which that picture exists.....
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Tell us more pottel?
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Until last Sunday I never would have known, Pottel... ;D
LE
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naaah, it will never see the light of day anyways,...unless...naaahhh
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Pottel did you forget that is probably part of the Paul H private collection?
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Ahhh come on, spill the beans! ;)
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lol, yeah. naw word has it a certain Steve Philips was there, and word has it he is an avid collector, also of the even earlier stuff :-)
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Apart Brewer's droop and Steve Philips recordings, there is a single song in the Lindisfarne BT3, from spring 1974, all officially released. And we've all heard the early duet recordings of a young MK. I guess the early and huge success of DS, had provided MK with the adequate funds to buy all the recordings he was a part of and feels are not good enough for release. On the other hand, I wonder if the record company has ever suggested or made a solid offer for expanded versions. I know that MK is strongly against such editions, with the good reason that if the other songs weren't good enough for release then, why should they be now. And I don't know if his songwriting back then allowed songs to appear in an unfinished form. But I guess if the money from potential sales were good, the companies would have found a way. But the real crazy people about DS and MK's past relics are not that many, even with BD's standards.
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Kim Carnes has a record called "CAfe Racers". Reckon she had a connection? Bahhhhhhhhh....
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Speaking of early stuff, is it true that the SOS demo tape given to Charlie Gillett had an extra completely unreleased track on it that has never seen the light of day since? Did we ever find any conclusive evidence on that or is the verdict still out?
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Speaking of early stuff, is it true that the SOS demo tape given to Charlie Gillett had an extra completely unreleased track on it that has never seen the light of day since? Did we ever find any conclusive evidence on that or is the verdict still out?
Good questions. I hope Sir Ingo Raven could give us an answer.
Wishes
Allen
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Speaking of early stuff, is it true that the SOS demo tape given to Charlie Gillett had an extra completely unreleased track on it that has never seen the light of day since? Did we ever find any conclusive evidence on that or is the verdict still out?
And it's not included in the Early demos bootleg record which is out there and most of us hear have it or have heard it? But what's the use searching? You know the quests for such "holy grails" is usually in vain,but initiated for the pure joy of the adventurous hunt. Anyway Charlie has left the building of what we call world a couple of years ago, and I don't expect any of the members that probably have the rest demos, not respecting Mark's will, and releasing them, at least not without a good compensation, to worth the risk, and legal cost. But lets face it, we are not that many fans around the globe. Uncut and NME and MOJO and all these nice magazines publish special issues all the time for 10-12 artists: Pink Floyd, the Beatles, Rolling Stones, David Bowie, The Who, Neil Young, Bob Dylan, Jimi Hendrix, U2, Bruce Springsteen, Led Zeppelin and surprisingly Frank Zappa. No Dire straits, no MK and no other! Where is Eric Clapton, J.J.Cale, Paul Simon, Leonard Cohen etc. Probably they will consider such a tribute when they pass on. Shame. But it goes to show that all other artists have a bigger solid fan base, that will buy in the vast numbers, in order to cover the expenses and even make a profit.
So how about doing it ourselves?
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Speaking of early stuff, is it true that the SOS demo tape given to Charlie Gillett had an extra completely unreleased track on it that has never seen the light of day since? Did we ever find any conclusive evidence on that or is the verdict still out?
I guess you're talking about "sacred loving", a song writen by David.
according to M. Oldfield 's book, the demo tape given to Gillett contained 5 songs : Sultans, Wild west end, Waterline, Water of love and Sacred loving
according to TK, it was recorded on 27/07/1977 (go to Mknews, and then to "biogs" --> MK)
the only 3 first songs remained on the early demos bootleg
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Speaking of early stuff, is it true that the SOS demo tape given to Charlie Gillett had an extra completely unreleased track on it that has never seen the light of day since? Did we ever find any conclusive evidence on that or is the verdict still out?
True : the tape featured even more three others that will end on the first album : Wild West End, Down to the Waterline and Water of Love, all recorded at Pathway studio on July 27th(?) 1977 for
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Yes, Sacred Loving, that was it! I knew the song had the word "love" in it, but I couldn't remember the title. Thanks for the info.
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It is said that Elvis Costello was around in that studio and listened to Sacred loving, and after that he went to record his "Watching the detectives" song.
A long time ago I read that actually "Watching the detectives" was based on Sacred loving and I recall DK answering a "kind-of-yes" about it.
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David Knopfler's song 'Bernadette' that appeared on some
of the early DS gigs has that chugging sort of feel
to it, quite similar to the 'watching the detectives' song
by Elvis Costello.
Here it is. I love this song!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGbzqC95a-s&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Cheers. BBB
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Yea, I would love to hear the original demo, but I doubt we'll ever get the chance. It's amazing how much DK sounds like MK in that YT clip.
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3 years ago i made also an video of Bernadette by David Knopfler when he was for the first and only time in the Netherlands.
Here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqmNM886msU
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Just found that in a site where the late Charlie Gillett talks about the famous tape:
http://www.charliegillett.com/bb/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=2839 (http://www.charliegillett.com/bb/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=2839)
Postby Charlie
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Nice find jbaent! Thanks for sharing!